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The Demon Barber of Fleet Street ([info]sweeneytodd) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-06-13 02:35:00


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Entry tags:fandom: pirates of the caribbean, mary sues don't work that way

Wanksters of the Caribbean!
So over at [info]fandomsecrets on eljay, a secret is posted about Elizabeth Swann not being a Sue. All is well and nice, but [info]pankster begs to differ. Multiple people explain why Elizabeth's not a Sue, but [info]pankster just won't believe it and repeats the same old shit over and over again. [info]abfluvver briefly decides to throw the towel in until [info]pankster calls everyone's opinion retarded. But my personal favorite bit is when people sarcastically fight over whether the dog or the monkey is the biggest sue. I've got to go with the monkey guys. Come on, he even stole Jack's name! That's major sue points right there.




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[info]sepiamagpie
2007-06-13 12:07 pm UTC (link)
Pankster's just plain adorable!

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[info]oxydosic
2007-06-13 01:35 pm UTC (link)
What about Mr. Cotton's parrot? Where is the love for Mr. Cotton's parrot??

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[info]jetamors
2007-06-13 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, I was about to call biased on this report, but having read the link...

abfluvver: You keep jumping from problem to problem. If Elizabeth was a (crazy) man, she wouldn't be a Sue? That's ridiculous.

pankster: WHy is that ridiculous? If Elijah was a crazy man who became a pirate whilst chasing his boyfriend, he wouldn't be a sue at all.

Ah, 'tis so rare to hear someone actually come out and say it.

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(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-06-13 08:14 pm UTC

janegray
2007-06-13 02:18 pm UTC (link)
She's female and capable. Quickest and easiest way to earn a fangirl's ire.

This is so true, and so very, very depressing.

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[info]southerngaelic
2007-06-13 02:24 pm UTC (link)
I hate it when people stick their fingers in their ears and go "Nah nah nyah nyah you're stupid!" when their arguments are refuted. Clearly, Teh Fail is strong with wankster pankster.

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[info]ara
2007-06-13 02:50 pm UTC (link)
Pennies Wank?! In my wishing well [info]fandomsecrets?!

It's more likely than you think!

Yeah, that monkey is such a Sue. Unkillable? Constantly outwitting badguys? Loved and coddled by one of the main villains?! (Yeah I saw how Barbossa was baby talking to you at the end of the movie, don't even try to deny it!)

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[info]darthmaligna
2007-06-13 02:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm writing a very long version of the seventh Potter book in which Neville, through a long series of seeming mishaps, becomes Head Boy, Minister of Magic, Prime Minister, and then the Pope. It's meant to be a running joke, and I thought it was pretty laughable. I spent most of the third Pirates movie just gaping at the screen and thinking to myself, "Oh my god, oh my god, Elizabeth is Neville and it's not a joke."

The point being that I hate it when people bitch about Elizabeth being a Sue because it means that I'm taken less seriously when I say that the third movie was the worst-written pile of drivel I've ever seen in my life. D:

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[info]waterfront
2007-06-13 03:02 pm UTC (link)
abfluvver: It's been historically noted that women did, on occasion, become pirates, such as Anne Bonny and Mary Read, who were from a similar time period.

pankster: Anne Bonnie became a pirate because she LIKE A GIRL fell in love with an already existing pirate. And she was bad at it.

Mary Read did it with LIKE A GIRL her husband.


I think that pretty much says it all.

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[info]lady7jane
2007-06-13 03:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm starting to fucking hate the Mary Sue concept. Not because of people who write them, but because of people who can't stop whining about them.

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[info]sarajayechan
2007-06-13 03:41 pm UTC (link)
It took me a lot of restraint not to call [info]pankster a big honking dumbass right to s/h/it's face. Now, if she'd just said "well I think she's a Sue but that's just me" it wouldn't be AS irritating, but all this "She is so a Sue and don't you bitches try to tell me I'm wrong! >:ooooooooo" makes me think [info]pankster's the kind of person who would turn in a test with wrong answers and demand an A because s/h/it believed s/h/it was right.

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[info]luckdragonfujur
2007-06-13 04:01 pm UTC (link)
Since I noticed it, it has amused me that animals among a human cast always have more chances of getting away with Sue-ish traits. :P
I'd go with the monkey, though; it had more screen time than the dog.

As for the rest, can someone hit [info]prankster with the get-a-clue club? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

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[info]worstangel
2007-06-13 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Argh. I read that entire thread, and all I could comprehend from Pankster was "she's a Sue if I say she's a Sue!".

Also, I think it broke my head.

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[info]sequinedlizard
2007-06-13 04:08 pm UTC (link)
The "Barbossa can't be a Stu because he's heinously ugly" is pretty much what makes me not care about anything pankster says anyway. Don't impugn Geoffrey Rush, you uncouth barbarian.

-goes back to having happy thoughts about Jack Sparrow/Johnny Depp and Barbossa/Geoffrey Rush sandwiches-

How does one get the journalfen codes to work? I try using < jf user="blah" >, but still get invalid code errors.

reposted due to random code mistake

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[info]fuzzybluelogic
2007-06-13 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Sue debate aside, as much as I loved PotC 3 (and it was a jolly good time)...MAN, that played out like a thrown together D&D session where the GM had had a bit too much Mountain Dew. Luckily, being a Marvel fan trained me well with incoherency on plot and execution.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-13 04:29 pm UTC (link)
How is 'no, that happened to her because the writers made her do it, not because of the plot in general' a decent arguement? They're the SAME THING? Sheesh.

I admit Elizabeth had a lot of stuff happen to her, yes, but she's one of the protagonists. That's supposed to happen. And as mentioned, a lot of it happened because she was getting manipulated like a pinball (and to be honest, was probably the least manipulative of the whole lot).

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[info]jellybeanboom
2007-06-13 04:32 pm UTC (link)
And here I thought only Orlando Bloom got hated for being pretty.

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[info]isntitironic
2007-06-13 04:35 pm UTC (link)
My theory is that Elizabeth became pirate king because she was the only person present to whom Jack didn't owe money.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2007-06-13 04:44 pm UTC (link)
So, I've only seen one Pirates movie (the first) because Disney/ABC played it. Liked it, didn't like it enough to see the other two. However, [info]prankster makes me want to see it. Because all that rebuking of proof makes me think the movies were better than I gave credit for.

Since when did strong female character equal Sue? Damn it, someone's fired for not giving me that memo. Jack seemed to be the biggest Sue I found in the first movie.

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[info]slothrop
2007-06-13 06:51 pm UTC (link)
I'm amused by [info]pankster's "But I liked her in the first two movieeeeessss!"

So, obviously, she wasn't a Mary Sue in those.

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[info]dodge_and_weave
2007-06-13 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Even if she is a Canon-Sue, it doesn't mean that everyone must instantly hate her. And she pales in comparison to other fictional Sue's and Stus out there. I haven't seen the third movie yet, but she wasn't Supersue in the first two movies. Did she do something spectacularly Sue-ish in the third, or was she just a strong character? Ayla from the Earth's children series is my standard for a canon sue that I measure against, and she invented everything in the universe it seems. That's some high standards of sue-dom for Elizabeth to live up to.

Some of my favorite fictional characters are massive huge gargantuan canon-sues and stus, but I still love Egon Spengler from ghostbusters, Dr. Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap, and Sam Carter and Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG1. I totally think all four of these guys are Canon Stus and Sues, but it doesn't ruin the show for me.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-06-13 07:26 pm UTC (link)
She is a main character. In a movie. Where pirates are the good guys, there is an awesome monkey, there is a goddess, there is a ghost ship, people come back from the dead, and Jack Sparrow exists.

And [info]pankster's busting her chops over unrealism?

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[info]churri
2007-06-13 07:38 pm UTC (link)
And I just finished ranting about how disliking assertive female characters because zomg girls shouldn't act that way eleventyone is Massively Not Kosher. Looks like I have an addendum to the rant now...

On a less wanky note: THE DOG IS A BIGGER SUE THAN THE MONKEY. He got worshipped as a GOD, people! And then the cannibals luuuuurved him too much to eat him!

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[info]eldritch
2007-06-13 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Fandom needs to learn that you do not earn (mythical) Cool Points by going "OMG so-and-so is such a Sue!!1!"

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(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2007-06-13 07:47 pm UTC
To continue the riff... - [info]churri, 2007-06-13 07:53 pm UTC

[info]puipui
2007-06-13 07:46 pm UTC (link)
She's not a Mary Sue, dammit, she's the goddamn Pirate King!

...Okay, yeah, I'm just posting so I can use this icon. BUT SHE'S THE GODDAMN PIRATE KING, DAMMIT, DON'T MESS WITH THE PIRATE KING!

(And now I want Captain Swann/Batman fic. Weird.)

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Dude, this is a viscious circle of sorts...
[info]ladyofviolets
2007-06-13 07:55 pm UTC (link)
If a female character is a strong fighter? OMG such a bitch and a Sue.

If a female character is a good defender/healer or isn't a fighter of any kind? OMG such a damsel in distress and a shame to GRRRRL power.

If a female character has a hot love intrest? OMG such a bitch how dare she keep him away from his True Love (aka: me/another hot guy/a cooler girl)?

If a female character is sexy/pretty and knows it? OMG how dare that slut use her tits to get away with anything!

If a female character is in a position of power? OMG I'm just waiting for that bitch to commit a mistake and chew on her for daring to be human anyway.

Conclusion? It doesn't matter, female characters will ALWAYS be screwed in Rabid Fan Vision. Damned if you don't, damned if you do!

*uses Prince of Tennis: Gakuensai no Oujisama icon; yanno, the poor main girl in that dating sim has been called 'Canon Mary Sue' so often... *

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Re: Dude, this is a viscious circle of sorts... - [info]sarajayechan, 2007-06-13 08:09 pm UTC
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Re: Dude, this is a viscious circle of sorts... - [info]sudaki, 2007-06-14 12:01 am UTC
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