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Eppy ([info]lizzypaul) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-06-21 18:40:00


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Current mood:Spiffy
Entry tags:fandom: house, gay, hypocrisy

Slash fans who are (maybe, kinda, who knows) against gay rights.
It all starts when m1ssannethrop1c writes a fic where House and Wilson get gay married. This would all be well and good, if not for the author's note:

Oh and this fic is not in any way, representative of how I feel about gay marriage in general. I'm too young to be making political statements. This is just a dialogue that my muse wouldn't let me let go of.

hry2007 asks: "So you're not sure if you're homophobic?".

Cue much tl;dr about gay marriage, the definition of homophobia, and religion. If your eyes haven't glazed over, it all continues here.

I knew we were due for another "slash and gay rights" fight.




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[info]msilverstar
2007-06-22 04:09 am UTC (link)
I gotta say, anyone who uses "muse" non-ironically had better be a damn good writer. Because otherwise it's just incredibly pretentious.

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[info]heyoka
2007-06-22 04:18 am UTC (link)
"too young to be making political statements"? What is she, six?

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[info]doomsday
2007-06-22 04:21 am UTC (link)
I have to feel a little sorry for her. Obviously she's woefully naive and has a hard time thinking for herself. Maybe by the time she's 50 she'll be old enough to pull her head out of her ass and jump off the fence.

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[info]mireille
2007-06-22 04:25 am UTC (link)
I glanced at her profile--with statements like that, I was *hoping* you'd accidentally wanked a minor, but she's 19--and found this gem: My name is Anne. Well, not really, it's Isabelle. In my mind, it's close enough.

So, I'm thinking gay rights are not the only thing she's not sure of. *g*

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[info]duraniedrama
2007-06-22 04:29 am UTC (link)
Poor girl put a disclaimer in because she didn't want to get into a political debate and got into one anyway. Go figure.

And, frankly, I give her points for saying, basically, "I can't defend a given position because I'm still figuring out all the implications of that position." If more people thought like that, there's be a lot less wank on the internets.

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[info]limyaael
2007-06-22 04:33 am UTC (link)
The sad thing is that if she hadn't said anything about how she felt about gay marriage, probably no one would have commented on it; I've read plenty of slash where it's just assumed to exist.

Sometimes, brevity is the soul of wit.

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[info]sticks
2007-06-22 04:37 am UTC (link)
My gut reaction is to feel bad for [info]m1ssannethrop1c in a "[info]hry2007, stop kicking the puppy" way. I know this isn't a perfect analogy, but if someone got up in my face like that because, say, I didn't know which Democratic primary candidate I prefer (omg hilary-hater!1!) or whether or not I believe in God (omg religion-hater!!1), I'd think they were pretty damn cuntwaffle-y.

Disclaimer: in the spirit of the wank, I'll 'fess up that I have not, in fact, thought through every implication of the above.

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[info]rikiki
2007-06-22 04:51 am UTC (link)
The fic isn't even that good, imo.

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[info]kinneas
2007-06-22 05:03 am UTC (link)
hry2007 is kind of a bitch, but dammit that girl is obnoxious. Oh no, I've been on this planet for two decades in a liberal country and I can't yet figure out if humanity's natural inclinations ARE NATURAL!!!

It's such a non-issue for me that the existence of her indecisiveness is ludicrous.

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[info]kinneas
2007-06-22 05:04 am UTC (link)
hry2006: You've said yourself that you're unsure about same-sex marriage. THAT IS ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL! Your greyness, your ambivalence, is wrong and discriminatory.

ALSO THANK YOU. SERIOUSLY.

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[info]serai
2007-06-22 05:08 am UTC (link)
Whoa. Jumping down the throat of someone who's actually taking the time to consider all the issues before deciding on her views. Way to show off your respect for reasoned discourse there. Has [info]hry2007 never heard of a little thing called "persuasion"? A few more encounters like that and I wouldn't be surprised if she decided that people who are in favor of gay marriage are a bunch of rude jerks.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-06-22 05:47 am UTC (link)
Y'know, uninformed as she admits to be, I'm rather shocked at how calmly both sides of that debate remained.

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[info]missdaisy
2007-06-22 06:01 am UTC (link)
According to the Roman Catholic Church, you should not have sex unless the possibility of a child is there.

You know, the argument that at least [info]m1ssannethrop1c is least taking the time to research this issue and think it over might hold a little more water if she bothered to get her facts straight.

Actually, no it wouldn't. It's still stupid.

Me, I'm still thinking about whether or not women should have the right to vote. Gotta make sure I understand all the implications first.

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[info]out_bottle
2007-06-22 06:02 am UTC (link)
Hey, my GF is against gay marriage because she's against ALL marriage.

She's crazy like that.

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[info]kantayra
2007-06-22 06:16 am UTC (link)
The really sad thing was that, when I read her note, I assumed that she meant that she didn't think her fic was representative because not all gay marriages would necessarily result in the couple arguing like they did in her fic...

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[info]agent_hyatt
2007-06-22 06:22 am UTC (link)
...should we start the [info]wankitywank countdown?

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I've been making the post all pretty. - [info]elgato_gamgins, 2007-06-22 03:53 pm UTC

[info]ayezur
2007-06-22 06:27 am UTC (link)
...Wank? In my snark community?

It's more likely than you think.

MY THOUGHTS ON YAOI: Could be the girl is young and uninformed and is equating "same rights as legally married straights" with "married in a church with the blessing of the LAWD OUAH GAWD."

Just sayin'.

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[info]spacelogic
2007-06-22 06:50 am UTC (link)
I'm so tired of same-sex marriage debates. They all go kind of like this:

A: Marriage is a religious ritual and my holy book may condemn gay sex, ergo same-sex marriage should be illegal! Plus, it's an ancient human definition, one-man-one-woman marriage is.

B: Hm, you may have a point.

C: Waitasec. It's a legal contract/We have separation of church and state/My interpretation of the holy book's different/Other religions don't condemn homosexuality, what's special about yours? Plus, there've been plenty of human cultures that had polygamy, and a good few that had man-boy marriages. (Never all of this at the same time, because the debaters are less efficient than Y. T.)

B: Hm, you may have a point there.

A: No, it's a religious one/That's not what the constitution means/Your interpretation is wrong/My religion's the right one, the others are only okay when they agree with it. Anyway, what's wrong with civil unions?

C: Is not!/Huh? [TL;DR about Jefferson]/You can't prove that/You totally can't prove that! Separate but equal/civil unions don't convey all the same benefits/psychological benefits of the word "marriage" (I'm the only person I've ever actually seen use this one.)

A: Is too!/You're interrogating the history of the US from the wrong perspective/I don't have to, I'm just right/Yeah, enjoy Hell. Gays don't want equal rights, they just want special rights, and if we let them have marriage, we'll have to let people marry their pets/siblings.

C: Is NOT!/No U!/Nuh-uh!/[founder of religion] would totally love me more, hater! And no, marriages between people and animals would never happen because animals can't sign the papers/say the vows, and incest is nothing like homosexuality.

A: IS TOO!/No U!/Uh-huh!/No way, Jose! Incest and homosexuality are both harmful, so they're just alike!

C: IS NOT!/no u/Nuh-UH!/Homosexuality isn't harmful, see scientific studies x, y, and z.

A: IS TOO!/NO U!/UH-HUH!/Is too!

C: IS NOT!/NO U!/NUH-UH!/Is NOT!

B: *gawks, scratches head*

And so on. Forever. I'm not even able to laugh any more. Am I broken?

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(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-06-23 03:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-06-23 03:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-06-22 06:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]so_long42, 2007-06-22 11:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2007-06-22 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2007-06-24 04:51 pm UTC

[info]zinkchan
2007-06-22 07:12 am UTC (link)
Both sides of this are annoying but I kind of wish hry2007 would shut up.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2007-06-22 07:38 am UTC

[info]sisterelwood
2007-06-22 07:37 am UTC (link)
Both sides massively fail. If [info]m1ssannethrop1c wants to consider all sides of an issue before deciding what she believes in that's her right and shows intelligence. On the other hand MASSIVE FAIL for writing a slash piece, posting it in a slash community, and THEN telling everyone you're not sure if homosexuality is okay or not.

Smells like a shit-stirrer to me but what do I know. As for [info]hry2007- as others have noted, there are great ways for educating others as to what your point of view it. Calling them a homophobe is NOT one of them.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-06-22 11:54 am UTC
(no subject) - janegray, 2007-06-22 02:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2007-06-22 03:29 pm UTC

[info]churri
2007-06-22 07:42 am UTC (link)
I'm trying hard not to get chafed, so I'll leave it at THIS SHIT NEVER BRINGS THE FUNNY, DAMMIT. D:

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-06-22 08:48 am UTC

[info]chikane
2007-06-22 09:08 am UTC (link)
Me, I'm still thinking about whether or not people should be equal in front of the law. Gotta make sure I understand all the implications first.

M1ssannethrop1c, aside from the stupid spelling of her username, simply struck me as a troll :/

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(no subject) - [info]castellated, 2007-06-22 02:47 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2007-06-22 10:36 am UTC (link)
At least somebody in that thread is thinking. Slowly, haltingly, and with great difficulty, but I'm pretty sure there some neurons firing over there.

I know a slash writer who's against gay rights in general, including marriage. Her reason for this is that "[she has] two young sons. *shudders*"

Apparently equal rights = pedophile sodomy. Who knew?

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(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2007-06-22 11:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-06-23 07:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2007-06-23 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-06-22 05:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aristaea, 2007-06-23 12:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2007-06-23 02:43 am UTC
*looks up-thread*
[info]t_boy
2007-06-22 10:52 am UTC (link)

God, you’re all dicks.

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Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]ara, 2007-06-22 02:45 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]onaga, 2007-06-22 03:18 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]t_boy, 2007-06-22 05:07 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]phosfate, 2007-06-22 03:32 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]barankhy, 2007-06-22 05:52 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - flightstothesea, 2007-06-22 07:29 pm UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-23 02:23 am UTC
Re: *looks up-thread* - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-06-23 01:50 pm UTC

[info]slackeremeritus
2007-06-22 11:30 am UTC (link)
You know, Hellbat was all for gay marriage. 100% in support. He had plans for himself and Gaihawk, after all. But Leozack? Leozack wasn't having it.

Mostly because he had that big orgy scheduled later.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-06-22 01:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackeremeritus, 2007-06-22 09:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-06-22 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slackeremeritus, 2007-06-22 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-06-22 10:05 pm UTC
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