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Pan ([info]panthea) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-12 21:07:00


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Entry tags:fandom: supernatural, mary sues, spoilers- noooo! you bitch! you bitch!!!

Supernatural Casting Wank
Someone on my flist wondered why this wasn't here already. I was forced to concur.


Breaking news in SPN fandom (which I avoid like it's a rabid piranha, so I may not be totally up on the goings-on) is that they're casting two sooper-sexy chick hunter regulars for the third season (...that's chicks that hunt, not hunters of chicks because that's what Dean's for). We all know what that means: fandom goes apeshit.

dairwendan decides this warrants a fandom intervention.

Right now, pretty much all over the 'net, Supernatural fans are freaking out about the third season spoiler. That's cool, especially as we know that Kripke & Co. do peruse certain boards and LJ communities. But it's not enough. Even if TPTB at CW also peruse the same boards and LJs, they can easily brush it off as 'just the internet geeks, that's not the whole fandom'. We gotta get mailing folks, just like we did to GET this third season, now we gotta do it to SAVE this third season. (emphasis added)

We must mailbomb this village to save it?

Folks dogpile her in the comments (three pages so far), calling her on how pissing off the network is perhaps not the stunningly brilliantest plan ever. Dairwendan politely but steadfastly refuses to Get It. I love the smell of entitlewank in the late evening.

So one of the actresses is cast, and then there's this, yoinked from [info]wank_report (thanks Jo, CPed from her comment):

I bring you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPERNATURAL WANK!

Small, but tasty.

So, casting spoilers go onto supernatural_tv on livejournal. The ensuing wank follows with the usual thumbs up, thumbs down, don't care, will wait it out reactions on the actress. Followed by numerous "OH NO! BLONDE!" comments and general bitchery. Not much to report.

Aaaaaaaaaaand then saerie decides to start some shit! Whoooo!

She makes a comment about the poor actress having to deal with psycho fans now. True, but the psycho comment obviously rubs the wrong way. What follows is the tasty wank.

She gets agreement and applause, and even this:

"Amen! *Claps* I couldn't have said it better myself. Especially with the Wincest ;) Rock on!

And your right this is the worst Fandom I have seen, not even this Smallville fandom is that bad.."

Really? Worse than Smallville? Oook...

Plus:

"The fannish entitlement in THIS fandom in particular is the worst I've ever seen"

and more lamenting about perceived Misogyny. "And what kind of misogynistic bullshit is that anyway? Ugh."

Others come out to rabidly defend against it, some try to "reason" with them, but it is too late. It has turned into, yes folks, a Wincest wank! Wheeeeeeee!

Plus, this little funny exchange between tvheartache and aliaseverus:

"So much word. I swear, if I hear the words Mary Sue one more time, I am going to flip out."

"MarySue...

Sorry 'bout that. I've had a really bad week and with moving this weekend while I'm still not completely over bronchitis that has been lingering and not letting go for almost 6 weeks... I just gotta go with amusement. I can't let a setup like yours go. 'Cause you know, their first character short descriptions were kinda classic MS...

So, offered in the spirit of fun because we *all* need to remember the fun:

MarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySueMarySue"


There's much lamenting over "ZOMG THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY" and others saying "What did you expect? This is fandom! RAR!"
Plus the ever spiraling arguments of "you're sexist and just don't want them getting in the way of your pairing" and "Am not. You're an idiot and just want to live through a Sue character."

May die down before it gets officially interesting, but it has the potential for growth.


SPN fandom, why you so crazy?



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[info]puckity
2007-07-13 03:44 am UTC (link)
Um, guys? How much of Gary Stus are Sam and Dean?

Tormented background? Check.
TAG-esque (as much as TAG delusionally seems to think) chick appeal? Check.
Superpowers? Check.
Heroes-who-always-save-the-day-from-crazy-magical-creatures? Holy freaking check.

For realz realz, ladies.

All that aside, you don't need to worry about oh noes the het is getting on our slash! You know why? Because no actor or actress will ever, ever have more chemistry with either Jensen or Jared than they have with each other.

So just sit back and enjoy the boobies and remember how quickly other supposed recurring female characters have gone *poof!* during the past two seasons.

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[info]ingrid
2007-07-13 05:16 am UTC (link)
So just sit back and enjoy the boobies

But they might taint the incest!

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2007-07-18 04:22 pm UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2007-07-13 05:37 am UTC (link)
I always thought they got away with it simply because Sam and Dean have issues, but just barely. The Stu looms in the distance.

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*enjoys the boobies*
[info]selene_avis
2007-07-13 05:51 am UTC (link)
Dean and Sam are pretty well developed characters, though. I mean, they have actual character flaws. The realistic kind, not the pity-the-character kind.

Actually, that's my biggest concern about the new characters: the rumored romance angle. 'Cause Dean and Sam are both way too fucked up in the head for a serious relationship to work. My second biggest concern is that the new characters have really stupid names. But beyond that, what has leaked about the two newcomers appears to indicate that they're designed to be foils to the boys. And that's not a bad thing for season three.

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Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]onaga, 2007-07-13 06:24 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:39 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]puckity, 2007-07-13 07:38 am UTC
Re: I second the notion for lesbian subtext. - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:08 pm UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 06:33 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]panthea, 2007-07-13 06:35 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 06:43 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]the_clansmen, 2007-07-13 08:40 pm UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-07-13 06:37 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 06:48 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-07-13 06:52 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 07:01 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 06:49 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:12 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]pointandlaugh, 2007-07-13 11:23 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 04:44 pm UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:49 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 07:00 am UTC
Re: *enjoys the boobies* - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:11 pm UTC

[info]candy
2007-07-13 06:13 am UTC (link)
All that aside, you don't need to worry about oh noes the het is getting on our slash! You know why? Because no actor or actress will ever, ever have more chemistry with either Jensen or Jared than they have with each other.

I agree with everything you've said except this. Why? Because at least in Jensen's case, I can name off several actors and actresses he's had just as much chemistry with as he's ever had with Jared (I haven't seen enough of Jared's other work to comment). So if they cast the right actress, that could be a factor.

(if you're curious, samples from the list include Patrick Dempsey and Poppy Montgomery in Blonde, Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville, Julianne Morris from Days Of Our Lives and Michelle Williams from Dawson's Creek, among many others)

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(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 06:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2007-07-13 03:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 05:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puckity, 2007-07-13 07:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2007-07-13 03:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2007-07-13 09:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2007-07-13 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frikatilhi, 2007-07-13 12:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2007-07-13 03:47 pm UTC

[info]spawn_of_kong
2007-07-13 03:52 am UTC (link)
I swear, if I hear the words Mary Sue one more time, I am going to flip out.

Amen. As I and others said in a previous PotC wank: you don't get rewarded for claiming "Character 'X'" is a Mary Sue.

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[info]lil_miss_stfu
2007-07-13 04:06 am UTC (link)
*head-desk*

And this, my friends, is why I refuse to participate in fandom. I'm scared that the crazy might be catching.

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-07-13 05:33 am UTC (link)
If she's David Cassidy's daughter, she'll have plenty of in-house support over the whackiness of fans in gerneral and besotted girls in particular.

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[info]rekall
2007-07-13 06:17 am UTC (link)
Introducing two sexy females means some hot lesbian fanfic porn. Is that really such a bad thing?

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[info]panthea
2007-07-13 06:37 am UTC (link)
Seriously! When Kripke closes a door, he opens a window TO PORN!

Dude, a hot chick hunter duo is, like, my dream.

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(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 06:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-13 08:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-07-13 09:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2007-07-14 03:10 am UTC

[info]felinephoenix
2007-07-14 11:13 am UTC (link)
Lesbian fanfic porn and hot foursomes. Priorities, fandom. Priorities.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2007-07-13 06:32 am UTC (link)
I miss Jo. I'm sorry, I'm one of the five people that liked her.

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[info]trollprincess
2007-07-13 06:51 am UTC (link)
I liked her! Well, after she packed up and left the Roadhouse. I'd spent so many episodes saying, "You are free and eighteen, LEAVE HOME," because the arguments with Ellen and the temper tantrums (of a sort) were getting to me on a really personal level. And I figured once she left and got a bit more experience as a hunter I'd like her more as a potential love interest for Dean. (... well, I'm getting there. Gimme time.)

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(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 06:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tsubaki, 2007-07-13 08:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-15 02:39 am UTC

[info]selene_avis
2007-07-13 06:57 am UTC (link)
I thought Jo had potential but that the writers never delved deeply enough into her character. On the bright side, next year we get Alona Tal on Cane.

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(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 07:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-15 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2007-07-13 06:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2007-07-13 07:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-13 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hyaenid, 2007-07-13 07:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 08:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 08:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 08:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-13 08:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tsubaki, 2007-07-13 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-14 12:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-15 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-13 08:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]abbymouse, 2007-07-15 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-15 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arielchan, 2007-07-13 11:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-07-15 02:51 am UTC

[info]deeablo
2007-07-13 07:00 am UTC (link)
SPN fandom, why you so crazy?

Because of unfunny captioned screencaps?
Because of BNF infighting?
Because of the first Wincest wank?
Because of badly filtered screencaps passed off as "art"?
"Talk to my GPA fuckers"?
Because Jensen Ackles is a coke addict?
Because if you enjoy incest in fanfic, you should support it in real life, or else you're a big hypocrite, just like the people who enjoy slash, but are against gay rights in real life?
Because "there are "more incest fics in the [SPN] fandom than a person should be exposed to in real life"? (originally posted here)
Because of hate memes?
Because Sam Winchester is Hitler?
Because of the second Wincest wank?
BLACK MAN PAT DOWNS?
Because of the third Wincest wank?
Draft Horses?

(I knew of a lot of these, but thanks to the Super-wiki FW page for the rest.)

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(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 07:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deeablo, 2007-07-14 01:48 am UTC

[info]shoiryu
2007-07-13 07:02 am UTC (link)
Are people like, expressly forbidden from liking Fandom Slash Pairing and liking Contested Female Character at the same time? Do I miss memos on this kind of stuff every time I change fandoms?

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[info]kantayra
2007-07-13 07:34 am UTC (link)
If I were a sadistic television writer, I'd create a show about two hot guys, wait for the internet fandom to build, then add two female characters. The beautiful splooge online would be nothing compared to my maniacal laughter once it was revealed that the women were a lesbian couple. Or maybe that would just make me a paid troll. In any case, it seems like entertainment dynamite.

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(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2007-07-13 10:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]so_long42, 2007-07-13 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-07-14 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bandit, 2007-07-16 09:11 pm UTC

[info]katarin
2007-07-13 10:41 am UTC (link)
I hate fan wars like this because due to crazies if you have reservations over a bunch of chicks being added as 'love interests' you're labeled one of the crazy vag-hating fangirls when really I've just learned that I don't trust tv execs.

Why can't we bring back Sarah? I want Sarah! in bed

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(no subject) - [info]lavenderfrost, 2007-07-13 01:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]april_hurst, 2007-07-14 08:19 pm UTC

[info]frikatilhi
2007-07-13 12:35 pm UTC (link)
Damn, I was ready for some funny (SPN wank yay!), but then people just wank here with the same old, same old. Blah.

That comment with the links saves the day, though.

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[info]fairy_tale_echo
2007-07-13 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Vaginas? In *my* demon-hunter show?

I'd like to point out two of my favorites

cherryscott: Supernatural's about brothers, it's about men on a road trip, it's about the heart of American culture and it's so nice to see something on television that's gutsy enough to not have all those romantic storylines. Or, to be more misogynistic concise: Supernatural's not a show that works with a lot of women running around. It just doesn't. And I don't think the network gets that we don't WANT that stuff.

Oh, and don't forget our old friend, ataniell93!

I’m a feminist, but I don’t like love interests. And I don’t get why feminists should, or why this is misogynist.

And for those of you who are worried she won't find a way to bring Harry Potter into it, DON'T PANIC!!

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-07-13 04:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 05:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-07-13 05:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 05:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-07-13 07:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 07:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - magpiggles, 2007-07-14 12:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fairy_tale_echo, 2007-07-13 05:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 05:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-13 06:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fairy_tale_echo, 2007-07-13 05:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trollprincess, 2007-07-13 05:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-07-14 07:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]so_long42, 2007-07-13 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2007-07-13 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-13 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ryuutchi, 2007-07-13 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]so_long42, 2007-07-13 09:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-07-14 02:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2007-07-14 04:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ryuutchi, 2007-07-14 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2007-07-14 05:25 am UTC

[info]aoibheal
2007-07-13 10:59 pm UTC (link)
I <3 my fandom ^_^

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(no subject) - [info]acostilow, 2007-07-15 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aoibheal, 2007-07-16 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]acostilow, 2007-07-16 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aoibheal, 2007-07-16 07:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]acostilow, 2007-07-17 02:19 am UTC

[info]nightwalker
2007-07-14 07:07 am UTC (link)
Dear SPN fandom,

Holy shit, calm the fuck down.

Please to be taking a deep breath now while I point out the obvious.

1) We know nothing about these characters except that they are
a) female
b) hunters
c) will act as a counter and possible foil to Sam and Dean

THIS IS NOT WORTH PANICKING OVER. They're probably evil.

2) We have some awesome women in this fandom. Ellen, Sarah, Kat, Missouri Jess, Mary - and everyone from second season I don't know about yet.

3) The last time they introduced a long-term love interest (ie: Jo) and fans didn't like her... THEY WROTE HER OUT.

So.

To sumamrize.

So far Kripke has given us several awesome female characters and when one came along that the majority of fandom did not seem to care for, the writers removed her.

In the meantime, we've got two female demon hunters who will probably be just as slashy as Sam and Dean. There will be a plethora of femmeslash and more Buffy jokes than you can count. And if they DO end up sucking, we've got reason to believe Kripke will listen to what the fans want.

Why are we panicking again?

(Let's be realistic. After what happened in the season two finale, does ANYONE believe that romance is what Kripke thinks the boys should have on their minds?)

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(no subject) - [info]ryuutchi, 2007-07-14 08:27 pm UTC

[info]ram
2007-07-15 09:28 am UTC (link)
Aww. I decided to go ahead and spoil myself for S3, so that I may enjoy this new wank, and then I find it is just last summer's Jo wank all over again.

SPN fandom: Like a circle jerk, only wankier.

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(no subject) - [info]blueleopard87, 2007-07-16 01:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-16 03:53 am UTC

[info]acostilow
2007-07-16 02:22 am UTC (link)
*laughs* I love how they're pimping SPN_badfan. Dude, I know the girl who started that. She's even more batshit than those people combined. *shakes head*

Oh, fandom. How I love you.

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(no subject) - [info]aoibheal, 2007-07-16 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]acostilow, 2007-07-16 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aoibheal, 2007-07-16 07:44 am UTC

[info]misswindy
2007-07-18 04:25 pm UTC (link)
This is me being a BOFQ, but I really hate the way "MarySue" has just become fandom jargon for "bad character." A Mary Sue is an idealized authorial self-insertion into a story. So unless the two middle aged Jewish guys co-producing the show secretly see themselves as young, pretty Irish girls (and if they do, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW)... these characters are not MarySues.

I just think if one means "bad character," one should just say "bad character."

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