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soupspooks ([info]soupspooks) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-13 11:04:00


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Entry tags:fandom: world of warcraft, sexism

This just in! Women cause drama!
Or, rather, guilds that specifically state they won't recruit women start drama. Nihilum, one of the most well-known, farthest progressing guilds on World of Warcraft (EU) have been reported on in a WoW-Insider article.

Top EU guild Nihilum is recruiting a few serious Horde raiders on Magtheridon (EU). And not that I play on the EU side of things, but if I did, I wouldn't be welcome to apply. Why? According to GM Kungen, there are a lot of reasons they don't recruit females, but the one he highlights is the need for recruits to have a "high 'abuse tolerance.'" And a bit later in the thread, poster Awake adds that female applicants are avoided because of drama. And while I know there are immature girl gamers who can bring plenty of drama to a guild, I know equally immature guys who can be just as bad. So to me, personally, it makes better sense to simply not recruit idiots of either sex.

There is wank in the comments. Oh, is there ever wank. Unfortunately it's hard to link directly to specific posts.

Someone, naturally, brings this topic to wow_ladies, and there is even more commenting. Most of them seem to be of the same nature (that it's extremely unfair), but there are some rather good points, and some... well, tl;dr ones. Most importantly, someone comments randomly with one of my favorite icons. :D

The point is, no matter what, it's all Nihilum's fault for being a bunch of thirteen year old boys who think girls are icky, have no lives, etc. etc. Not unlike Toronto, everyone hates Nihilum. And Death and Taxes is recruiting, and likes girls. Or something.

Note: The link in the WoW-Insider article to Nihilum's newspost doesn't seem to work, so I have no way of verifying what it said. As a rather interesting bonus, this is Awake's interview with WoW-Insider.

My apologies for the last wank report posted, this one's been around for a little while, it shouldn't get deleted.

Edit: It was for the lulz! Thank you kindly, [info]onaga




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[info]smo
2007-07-13 05:17 pm UTC (link)
The point is, no matter what, it's all Nihilum's fault for being a bunch of thirteen year old boys who think girls are icky, have no lives, etc. etc. Not unlike Toronto, everyone hates Nihilum.

As opposed to all the sane, logical reasons for not admitting women?

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(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 05:19 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-07-13 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 06:36 pm UTC
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[info]eilan
2007-07-13 05:24 pm UTC (link)
So, out of curiousity, are there no female-only WoW guilds? And if so, is there wank? Because I'd so read that.

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(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 05:30 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-07-14 01:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]touchofstrange, 2007-07-14 05:55 am UTC
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[info]onaga
2007-07-13 05:57 pm UTC (link)
From the wow_ladies comments, a purported C&P from the thread that's now gone or whatever -

Kungen: There are alot of reasons why we dont recruit females. One of them is posted in the news..

"You can take jokes. You must have a high 'abuse tolerance' - if you're a sensitive person, Nihilum is not for you."

The real reason is that we're looking out for all females out there. No woman is safe when beastie is around...


....what? No woman is safe... in an online game... I don't get it. Seriously guys, it is not that hard to not call girls sluts and whores. In fact, I spend most of my time not calling girls by derogatory slurs!

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(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 05:59 pm UTC
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[info]elektra3
2007-07-13 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Insert a girl and Guy A and Guy B have a crush on her. They end up bickering, which annoys the other guys who may like her and so forth. A girl gamer can just be in the middle of a conflict like this without doing ANYTHING. Usually in this situation if she says she's not interested, she becomes a 'slut' and lots of fighting occurs.

Because obviously this conflict is the woman's fault and not, say, that of the idiots who couldn't control their hormones enough to be civil to each other.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-07-13 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I was ready to get my feminist rage on until I saw this in the article's comments -

9. Drama? I bet the real reason is shame. A female voice only reminds them of their virginity.

Nothing anybody can say from that point on can possibly top that. It's beautiful.

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-07-13 06:37 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-07-15 02:48 am UTC

[info]hickorydickory
2007-07-13 06:33 pm UTC (link)
This wank makes me feel so, so unclean.

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[info]panthea
2007-07-13 06:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm thinking we need a category in the FW memories called "Girls Are Icky." No particular reason.

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(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 06:46 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]goldberry, 2007-07-14 03:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2007-07-14 06:34 am UTC

[info]isa
2007-07-13 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Normally this sort of attitude would cause me to want desperately to eat their stupid faces, but... can't they be more originally offensive? This whole "the mean yucky girls MAKE us act like assholes with their internet-communicable OVARY VIRUS" thing is just so damn fifteenth century. Give me something to get really righteously hepped up about already!

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Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 06:47 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 06:50 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 07:03 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 07:09 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 07:10 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 07:27 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 08:01 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 08:36 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 08:47 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-13 08:58 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]magic_lilybean, 2007-07-16 02:02 am UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2007-07-14 03:33 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-07-16 07:42 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-16 08:16 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-07-17 07:59 am UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-07-13 08:14 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]ladyofviolets, 2007-07-13 11:55 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-07-13 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 07:04 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]wickedwitch, 2007-07-14 02:50 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]wtf, 2007-07-13 08:55 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 09:35 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]wtf, 2007-07-13 09:45 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 10:17 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]funwithrage, 2007-07-13 09:09 pm UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]isa, 2007-07-14 02:03 am UTC
Re: Because I'm mature like that. - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-07-16 07:44 pm UTC

[info]lollercoaster
2007-07-13 07:05 pm UTC (link)
this seems to be the original recruit announcement and that's all I found:

Ely: "A question :) i read that you do not want female players... well i do not play wow anymore but i´m interested why it´s so :)"

Kungen: "The real reason is that we're looking out for all females out there. No woman is safe when beastie is around..."

but that's it. am I missing anything?

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2007-07-13 07:06 pm UTC
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[info]gunshou
2007-07-13 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Girls are immature drama starters, huh? And yet, it's the guys in my EQII guild who keep getting suspended for naming their pets "Peenis" or "Longdong" or shit like that.

Am I the only one who keeps reading the guild name as "Nibelheim"?

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2007-07-13 07:50 pm UTC
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[info]rikiki
2007-07-13 07:26 pm UTC (link)
So, how do they know if a player is female IRL? I mean, it's not like people don't lie about their gender on the Internets.

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(no subject) - [info]sunqist, 2007-07-13 07:34 pm UTC
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[info]sunqist
2007-07-13 07:30 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to get upset about this, but all the players in the top raiding guild on my server are assholes anyway. I mean, I'd like nothing more than to run Battle of Mount Hyjal for the rest of my life (not that I'm even close to running it, mind you), but the thought of having to interact with those people just makes me tired. Not because I'm afraid they won't like me because I'm a girl, but because they're assholes to everyone. I can't imagine how bad the players in this guild must be.

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-07-13 09:19 pm UTC
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flightstothesea
2007-07-13 08:01 pm UTC (link)
They're just asking to get infiltrated by women posing as men, aren't they?

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[info]xero_sky
2007-07-13 08:14 pm UTC (link)
"females are haveing problems with taking jokes"

Heh. In my guild, the only drama I've seen has been the guy who flounced off because he somehow thought all the "your mom" jokes were really about his mom.

So now, inevitably, most of them *are* about his mom.

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[info]danceswithelvis
2007-07-13 09:32 pm UTC (link)
This game is like one big pit of drama. And it seems most of the biggest drama queens I've seen have been male. o.O To the point of smashing their mic when things didn't go their way, having screaming hissy fits about a bad pull...etc.

And personally, I hate Vent/TS. It annoys the hell out of me. Especially when people don't understand the function of push to talk and we get to hear them munch on chips and sing along with VitaminC while we're trying to kill the four horsemen. (Well, that's an old example, but it still hold's true.)

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(no subject) - [info]touchofstrange, 2007-07-14 06:04 am UTC

iwanttobeasleep
2007-07-13 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Semi related story: In my guild (casual, no restrictions on joining), we got a newby member, who called the people attacking him fags. I told him not to use that word, and he told me to STFU because the guild isn't "Perfect like Neopets."

My thoughts on yaoi: Girls tend to "start" the drama, but the actual drama comes from guys who don't want to stop using the word faggot, or refuse to believe that spelling it "nigga" doesn't make racial epithets any less offensive.

/all true stories

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(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2007-07-15 07:10 am UTC

[info]onaga
2007-07-13 10:38 pm UTC (link)
"lolz it was just a joke!"

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(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-13 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkeyes, 2007-07-14 01:41 am UTC

[info]keleri
2007-07-13 11:02 pm UTC (link)
I was talking about that with my RL friends who play WoW the other day. We decided that the answer was clear: Kungen -likes- the sausagefest. rawr. 0:)

Good to see that it was all for the lulz, though.

Me, I'm back to my policy of pretending to be a guy/"my mic is broken" after a bad experience in a guild on my hunter. people seem to pay attention to you less when you're talking in /g or /r or whatever, but it's worth not having the OMG U A GURL dramaz. I'm in a guild with my RL friends, though, so it might come out eventually. so far they don't know. *STEALTHY LIKE NINJA*

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janegray
2007-07-13 11:06 pm UTC (link)
First (and best) guild I was in fell apart because of some girl pulling the 'can I get a special rank/some gold/a run through/first dibs on all loot, etc because I'm the girl'. I always wondered how many other girls were just keeping quiet about their gender whenever she ran her mouth off. It's just a shame the guild leader fell for it, really.

Why on earth did they keep quiet? Why didn't they say "sister, you stay in line and follow the rules like the rest of us girls do", or something like that? Twits like that girl can get away with their bullshit because male gamers think that she is the only one, and aren't used to female gamers anyway; if female gamers made themselves known, she wouldn't be able to do it anymore.

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(no subject) - [info]selphiroth, 2007-07-15 01:47 pm UTC
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[info]tiki
2007-07-13 11:17 pm UTC (link)
Man, these people need to stop using the word "drama" so damn much. FIND ANOTHER SYNONYM FOR "PERSONAL CONFLICT" PLZ. Of course this kind of confirms my long-held belief that the people who use that word the most are the ones most responsible for causing it.

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[info]morbid_angel
2007-07-13 11:36 pm UTC (link)
...Onoes.

I don't even PLAY WoW. If it bugs women that much, don't say you're a woman~

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<333 - [info]selphiroth, 2007-07-17 04:40 am UTC
Re: <333 - [info]seiberwing, 2007-07-17 04:43 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wildskyrider, 2007-07-15 07:13 am UTC
Geez, let me try this again... - [info]ashenmote, 2007-07-15 01:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2007-07-14 04:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-07-14 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-07-14 09:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-07-15 07:32 am UTC
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[info]velvet_mace
2007-07-14 12:47 am UTC (link)
I can understand why this group is male only. They like to choose their battles, and clearly, when it comes to dealing with women, they are losers.

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[info]anonyrat
2007-07-14 01:54 am UTC (link)
the one he highlights is the need for recruits to have a "high 'abuse tolerance.'

...why should someone playing a fucking game have to put up with 'abuse'? It's like they're waving a giant flag that says ASSHOLES FORM A QUEUE HERE.

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(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-07-14 11:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-07-14 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2007-07-15 07:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2007-07-15 10:55 am UTC
(no subject) - winterfox, 2007-07-16 01:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]faemageforsaken, 2007-07-19 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2007-07-15 10:53 am UTC
Cooties? In MY MMORPG?
[info]passerby
2007-07-14 01:57 am UTC (link)
That's all I got. :D

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[info]isntitironic
2007-07-14 03:08 am UTC (link)
I keep reading the guild name as 'Nibelung'. Which is kind of amusing, as it leads to mental pictures of Valkyries riding in to kick all their asses.

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(no subject) - [info]lollercoaster, 2007-07-14 12:20 pm UTC
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