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hangingfire ([info]hangingfire) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-16 09:55:00


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Current music:They Might Be Giants, "Take Out the Trash"
Entry tags:racism, serious business

Thank you for coming; I'll see you in hell.
In the Guardian: Manish Vij thinks that the Simpsons character Apu is a demeaning stereotype. Special exception is taken to "7-Eleven's bizarre promotion, which moves a crude ethnic stereotype into the real world. Desi franchise employees, among others, are being asked to don Kwik-E-Mart costumes with Apu nametags, come to work under banners mocking their ethnicity, and bid customers goodbye with the phrase, 'Thank you, come again!'" Comparisons to minstrel shows are made.

Comments go boom. Lots of "You're exactly right!" and "I'm Indian/Asian and I think it's funny!" Much self-righteousness and tl;dr on both sides; as [info]grapefruitzzz said, "Ah, Guardian blog wank. A rich vein, nutritious and ever-flowing."



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[info]carlanime
2007-07-16 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, the effete cornershop owner with fractured English, excess fertility, bizarre religious practices, illegal immigration status and a penchant for cheating customers.

...what?

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[info]sandyclaws68
2007-07-16 07:13 pm UTC (link)
excess fertility
Wait, weren't the kids a multiple birth? In which case it's more about his wife's "excess fertility", right?

But I forget - no Earth Logic allowed.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-07-17 04:50 am UTC (link)
Since when does Apu cheat his customers? He's too busy trying to keep his customers from cheating him.

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(no subject) - [info]lysana, 2007-07-17 07:48 am UTC
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[info]dez_chan
2007-07-16 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Wow, these people are up on the current events. How long has Apu been on the program?

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[info]doyle
2007-07-16 08:02 pm UTC (link)
A mere 19 years...

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[info]vzg
2007-07-17 02:18 am UTC (link)
They're just trying to get a jump start on it! You know, before everyone else talks about it.

Wait...

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-07-16 06:33 pm UTC (link)
I fear that, like all racism wank, this can only lead to an epidemic of sadness.

That being said, this reminds me of how I've heard people complain about Flanders as being a prejudiced portrayal of an evangelical Christian.

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[info]stromatolite
2007-07-16 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Fortunately, the only back and forth in the comments seems to be Manish vs. everyone else, and that's been civil so far.

On the one hand, thank God there's not a shitstorm of racism wank, but on the other hand, (aside from a few crass comments that are being ignored) it's not very wanky.

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[info]birene
2007-07-16 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Do they get the purpose of this community series at all?

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[info]black_spot
2007-07-16 06:35 pm UTC (link)
I think Apu should be president. Can we start a petition?

my thoughts on other fictional characters as president coming soon

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[info]jat_sapphire
2007-07-17 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Why are they always better than the real ones?

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(no subject) - [info]black_spot, 2007-07-17 10:18 pm UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2007-07-16 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Wait.

There's anything about "The Simpsons" that's not about demeaning stereotypes?

Matt must be slipping. He's been about demeaning stereotypes since Tales From the Steam Tunnels.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-07-16 08:10 pm UTC (link)
There's anything about "The Simpsons" that's not about demeaning stereotypes?

More or less my reaction. I mean, have they not ~seen~ The Simpsons before?

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[info]sandyclaws68
2007-07-16 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Right, because Homer isn't even remotely a stereotype of a lazy, ignorant and uneducated American. . . .

Isn't pretty much every Simpsons character a stereotype anyway? Demeaning or otherwise?

*rolls eyes*

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[info]smo
2007-07-16 07:12 pm UTC (link)
As opposed to the stereotypes of politicians, preachers, money-grubbing corporate bosses, nerds, housewives, ass-kissing flunkies, and fat, slobby ignoramuses?

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2007-07-16 09:24 pm UTC (link)
*basks pathetically in fame*

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[info]ashenmote
2007-07-16 09:49 pm UTC (link)
At last, a 'thank you, come again' wank.

I still liked the 'Lisa is a Mary Sue' wank better though.

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[info]wickedwitch
2007-07-16 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Apu's voice Hank Azaria, a Greek-American, is a brown man doing a white man doing a brown man.

Greeks are brown now?

Making fun of an immigrant's fluency?

Is it just me or does Apu's English (accent notwithstanding) sound much more rich and expressive than Homer's or pretty much anyone's on that show?

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(no subject) - [info]irised, 2007-07-17 01:03 am UTC
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Say it... Chowda! - [info]polygamouse, 2007-07-17 01:13 am UTC
Re: Say it... Chowda! - [info]miraba, 2007-07-17 01:57 am UTC
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Re: Say it... Chowda! - [info]shatfat, 2007-08-12 02:33 am UTC
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Re: Say it... Chowda! - [info]polygamouse, 2007-07-17 02:38 pm UTC
Re: Say it... Chowda! - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-07-17 08:39 pm UTC
Re: Say it... Chowda! - [info]magic_lilybean, 2007-07-17 03:20 pm UTC
Re: Say it... Chowda! - redwarrior, 2007-07-18 07:25 pm UTC
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[info]lysana
2007-07-17 07:51 am UTC (link)
I went to a Kwik-E-Martized 7-Eleven. There were Indian men working the front counter. None of them had "Apu" badges. None of them said "Thank you, come again." They had a hand-lettered sign behind them that said it for them. One guy in the entire country who owns a 7-Eleven that got the Kwik treatment is wearing the Apu badge. He's getting paid to do it. He even admitted in an interview that he just might have been inspired to own a 7-Eleven by Apu. Gosh, yeah, all the poor Desis are so oppressed...

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They're *all* demeaning stereotypes
[info]urpletastic
2007-07-17 08:55 am UTC (link)
That's the POINT, dummy. Groundskeeper Willie, Principal Skinner, Comic Book Guy, Reverend Lovejoy, Ned Flanders, Homer himself ... every single one of them is an exaggeration of a stereotype. How dim would you have to be not to realise that?

Oh, wait. Maybe this Manish Vij character thinks The Simpsons is a kids show? Maybe he hasn't noticed that it's one of the sharpest, most ironic pieces of social commentary available on prime-time TV? Maybe he's been living under a rock for the last ten years?

I despair. Some people just don't understand humour at all.

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Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]isntitironic, 2007-07-17 04:03 pm UTC
Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-07-17 08:11 pm UTC
Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]vzg, 2007-07-18 06:32 am UTC
Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]vzg, 2007-07-18 06:31 am UTC
Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]hoopa, 2007-07-18 07:12 am UTC
Re: They're *all* demeaning stereotypes - [info]vzg, 2007-07-18 07:40 am UTC

[info]the_gentleman
2007-07-17 09:43 pm UTC (link)
The Guardian blogs are basically vaguely sane commenters and fucking insane writers, of which Polly Toynbee is chief amongst the lunatics. This is in direct contrast to the Telegraph, which is full of fucking insane commenters and vaguely sane writers, at least as far as right-wing conservatives go.

Besides, the Telegraph blogs have Boris Johnson, our very own demeaning stereotype.

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[info]serai
2007-07-18 03:45 am UTC (link)
This reminds me so much of a Nisei chick I ran into at a party about ten years ago. She was going on about the movie Gung Ho and how racist it was. After about five minutes, I asked her if she happened to notice how racist the film was against white Americans. I tried to explain that everyone in it is an idiot, and they learn NOT to be idiots. That's the whole point! (It's also why I love that film.) She didn't get it.

*eyeroll*

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[info]hoopa
2007-07-18 07:16 am UTC (link)
No shit.

The economy is run by supply and demand, the sky is blue, Bush is dumb, Shakespeare is a good writer, the Titanic sunk, it's Ron/Hermione, the price of fuel is rising, the internet is full of ads and Hitler was evil.

It's common knowledge.

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[info]misswindy
2007-07-18 04:20 pm UTC (link)
I hate to point out the obvious, but it's The Simpsons. "Unflattering stereotypes mocking your ethnicity" is practically the show's subtitle.

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don't mind me. I just took one look at your music choice.
[info]misty
2007-07-19 08:59 am UTC (link)
Get the crooked straight! Get the go-getter good and gone!

My favorite alliterative line in a song for the whole freaking year.

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