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Rekall ([info]rekall) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-19 13:02:00


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Entry tags:anime/manga, clamp, mary sues don't work that way, misogyny soup

CLAMP Wank? NEVER!
For a while now things have been fairly peaceful in the CLAMP fandom. Sure there have been minor fights here and there but nothing like the glory days of X when you couldn't go five minutes without a Seishirou/Subaru vs Kamui/Subaru fight.

However it's CLAMP, so of course things weren't going to remain peaceful.


For a while now the TRC fandom has been on the verge of fighting. Currently through a series of flashbacks, CLAMP has been showing us the past of the fandom's most beloved character, Fay D. Flourite and it's discovered that as a child he made a deal with the series' villain Fei Wong Reed to kill another main character, Kurogane. The Fay fans are quick to rally around their bishie turning their hatred towards Ashura-ou (who saved Fay as a child) because he made Fay remember his past and Kurogane because he defend himself against Fay's magic attack (Fay fans claim Kurogane attacked first).

Things start when a rant is posted to [info]clamp_rants from someone who is tired of fans making Fay out to be a saint. That post doesn't start wank but it does prompt another rant, this time from a Fay fan, which is when the fun starts.

However, the wank has nothing to do the rant itself.

Now, I'm not exactly sure what started things since the first few comments are in Spanish but it's hard to miss the capslock and big text of I HATE SAKURA!! and which is quickly followed by:

Clamp are not good making female chars, the only ones I liek are Hokuto becasue she had 'cojones' and Yuuko becasue I like how she thinks... the rest are much better DEAD!

Which creates much fuss and after pointing out that some of the female characters act just the same as the male ones (and vice versa) it quickly boils to a wank on sexism.

Some choice moments from parts of the wank:

girls are 'friends' but can't not be fangirled

Cause if a guy is nice, noble, loved, good-looking, he's a hot bishie and everyone loves them. If a girl is like that, she's a stupid Mary-Sue.

If Kurogane raped Fay now, 99% of the fangirls would be SO happy

Do you have to lust a character to like them? O_o

OHHEYWAIT Mokona is also a girl! And she loves Fye, and Fye loves her. And she's magical and powerful and everyone loves her! GO ON. HATE HER. OHWAIT she doesn't have a vagina, she's safe.


ETA: [info]su_chan gets banned from [info]clamp_rants but her buddy [info]lovelessinma keeps wanking in her defense. Which includes taking things to [info]jlarinda's LJ.



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[info]phosfate
2007-07-19 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Isn't Mokona basically a bunny rabbit with a magic teleporting vagina?

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[info]iris
2007-07-19 09:40 pm UTC (link)
I am never going to be able to look at Mokona again without thinking of magic teleporting vaginas.

Somehow, this makes things fifty times more awesome.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-07-19 09:43 pm UTC

[info]ymfaery
2007-07-19 09:44 pm UTC (link)
IMHO, Mokona is a fluffy, bunny-shaped marshmallow with magic teleporting orifices. (Considering how s/he basically opened its mouth and VACUUMED RAYEARTH AND EAGLE'S MASHIN INTO THE "REAL" WORLD that one time.)

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[info]penguinfaery
2007-07-19 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm also pretty damn sure Makona is male. Assuming it has sex.

They also sell vibrating ones.

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-19 10:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]penguinfaery, 2007-07-19 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]squeekirie, 2007-07-20 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]penguinfaery, 2007-07-21 03:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nita, 2007-07-19 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]penguinfaery, 2007-07-19 11:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nita, 2007-07-19 11:46 pm UTC

[info]mister_terrific
2007-07-19 11:16 pm UTC (link)
...

Brain, meet bleach.

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(no subject) - redwarrior, 2007-07-20 08:05 pm UTC

[info]sumeragi
2007-07-19 09:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, I was too busy writing S&S to give a damn.

Priorities. :Db

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-19 09:54 pm UTC

[info]shimeragi
2007-07-19 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Some people never change. I couldn't even bother to go through most of that but, God, do I feel sympathy for people like a white rain and others.

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[info]vejiicakes
2007-07-19 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Now... while I'm given to believing that CLAMP can come up with some pretty anti-woman storylines--see: most of Yuuko's clients--I'm also of the belief that many of their female characters? Are fucking awesome. That's it. No real counter-argument here, I'll admit. Only fucking awesome.

Also, I would not be happy if Kurogane raped Fai. Now, dubious!consent surprise!sex... (and somehow, I feel like it would be the other way around anyway).

Also, Seishirou/Subaru.

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2007-07-19 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-19 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2007-07-19 09:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2007-07-19 10:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2007-07-19 10:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2007-07-19 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - yuuko, 2007-07-19 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-07-19 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-20 05:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2007-07-20 09:19 am UTC

[info]soupspooks
2007-07-19 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I heard about this sort-of from someone on my friend's list. I ignore "I hate female characters" rants on priciple.

Now, CLAMP, if you'd kindly tell me whatthefuckisgoingonwithWatanuki, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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(no subject) - yuuko, 2007-07-19 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-07-19 09:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-07-19 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-19 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-07-20 12:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-20 05:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2007-07-21 03:55 am UTC

[info]chikane
2007-07-19 09:19 pm UTC (link)

Cause if a guy is nice, noble, loved, good-looking, he's a hot bishie and everyone loves them. If a girl is like that, she's a stupid Mary-Sue.


At least someone admitted this for once. Honesty is nice and all.

The stupidity still burns, though.

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(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-07-19 09:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-07-19 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-07-19 11:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-07-19 11:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-07-19 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-07-19 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - yuuko, 2007-07-19 11:14 pm UTC

[info]agent_hyatt
2007-07-19 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Yay, someone wrote it up! And did a better job that I probably would have, too.

The fun comes when you read the thread and realize that it's just four people doing the bulk of the wanking, and apparently they're friends otherwise.

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-19 10:08 pm UTC

yuuko
2007-07-19 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Wow, that sure exploded while I stopped reading. I thought the most we'd get was the usual counter-rant for the OMG I H8 SAKOORA FAY RLZ comment. Not that I'm surprised for the misogynist issue, especially since I've seen bad enough things in [info]su_chan's translations to spoilers, but going like this in a rants comm? Yeah, borderline troll.

I'm so convinced the Tsubasa fandom is the lovechild of the Cardcaptor Sakura and X/1999 fandoms, not only for the inherited fans, but because it so shares the same stupid wank tendencies from both sides.

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(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-07-19 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - yuuko, 2007-07-19 09:58 pm UTC

[info]iris
2007-07-19 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I keep looking at su_chan's comments and all I can think is "what the fresh hell is a sexyst?"

Spell check loves you, boys and girls. ;_;

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-07-19 10:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iris, 2007-07-19 10:56 pm UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2007-07-19 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Fay took a contract to kill Kurogane? My god, CLAMP, why don't you just draw them having sex and get it over with? Enough with all this foreplay!

Sorry, was there wank?

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[info]shahrizai
2007-07-19 11:57 pm UTC (link)
The Fay fans are quick to rally around their bishie turning their hatred towards Ashura-ou

I hereby prescribe some fanbrats 10 volumes of RG Veda and they should come see me in the morning.

(I don't need none of this new fandangled crossover stuff!)

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(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2007-07-20 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shahrizai, 2007-07-20 12:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2007-07-20 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-22 09:59 pm UTC

[info]kalicephirot
2007-07-20 12:15 am UTC (link)
Oh, CLAMP fandom why you so wanky? *sighs, translates de Spanish comments*

I'm not keeping the Horrography, but think of the poster to be posting with l33t.

su-chan: obviously if you speak seriously no one pays attention to you... you should use huge capslocks and sayyou hate him... or they won't pay attention to you... and out of the cut, it'll have more effect XD by the way i read your conversation in jlarinda's it was great! i gave you a hand there too...'

lovelessinma: haha, i would've put it out of the cut, but since it has spoilers... I don't want to ruin anyone's chapters! (^^)
Thank you for the support, Su-chan!
I'm glad we share the same thoughts =^^= (I also respect those who like Ashura Ou, although it breaks my heart each time I see them say ugly stuff about Fay (T_T;;; )'

jlarinda: That right there is the problem =_= I hate that people treat Fye like a saint, nothing else. He's still my favorite character and he could kill the whole group that my opinion won't change. (He's not going to - it's an example)

It's like Ashura does something selfish and mean and everyone hates him, and Fye does the SAME of selfish and he's a sweetheart. Bah.


... and the batshit is too much to keep on doing this. *goes to hide with the sane CLAMP fans kthnx*

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[info]rarirurero
2007-07-20 12:16 am UTC (link)
Personally, I think CLAMP makes it pretty obvious that Subaru's one true love is--

Wait, what were we talking about?

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(no subject) - [info]bandit, 2007-07-20 11:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rarirurero, 2007-07-20 11:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-20 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]samhatesyou, 2007-07-20 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-22 10:01 pm UTC

[info]hallidae
2007-07-20 12:40 am UTC (link)
See, this is why I'm seriously considering taking all Tsubasa comms off my f-list. There's just not enough goodfic to put up with wading through the wank. While, personally, I'm really curious as to what the fucking hell Ashura's motive is for causing all this tension and drama (and smiling the entire time, the bastard), I only want to know what happens next, not put up with all the bitching and crack theories.

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[info]coffeebun
2007-07-20 04:52 am UTC (link)
Oh CLAMP. If you would hurry up with the next volume of X, I might actually care about...

OH WAIT WRONG SERIES. D: what's this again?

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(no subject) - [info]pharae, 2007-07-20 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-07-20 07:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varkias, 2007-07-22 10:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrrah, 2007-07-20 04:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ruffwriter, 2007-07-20 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deerlike, 2007-07-25 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-20 09:32 pm UTC

[info]sticks
2007-07-20 05:22 am UTC (link)
I took this opportunity to go catch up on TRC.

...

How do people even understand this stuff, much less wank about it? I feel like I should be going over each chapter with a magical decoder ring just to understand what's going on.

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(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2007-07-20 03:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2007-07-20 04:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arekuru, 2007-07-21 02:44 am UTC

[info]luckdragonfujur
2007-07-20 07:08 pm UTC (link)
Aaaand there's an apology.

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-22 06:33 am UTC

[info]agent_hyatt
2007-07-21 04:32 am UTC (link)
Lookee here, a bit of encore wank...

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-22 06:26 am UTC

[info]stupid_fangirl
2007-07-21 07:03 am UTC (link)
Well seems like it keep on in mod entry.

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(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-07-22 06:27 am UTC

[info]varkias
2007-07-22 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Tsubasa has never really caught my interest...I've been kind of irritated by it really, yet another new shiny that CLAMP is all distracted by and meanwhile we STILL don't have the end of X! D:

Mmmm. I was one of the few people that didn't have really strong S/K or S/S leanings... I liked them both, although I consider S/K to be purely self-indulgent nowhere near canon fantasy. To me it was fairly obvious that Kamui is in love with Fuuma! XD

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[info]stupid_fangirl
2007-07-23 02:55 am UTC (link)
Another one with "OMG Y U PICK UP MY ENGRISH".

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