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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-29 15:17:00


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Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, gay, oh the irony

JKR hates gay people

Because if you don't put gay characters in your books, you're reinforcing the heteronormative oppression. Or something like that.

And more whining about the lack of gay characters.

ETA: And fabularasa's post has been flocked. Woefuls.

But! [info]lierdumoa hates the book because JKR says bestiality is the same as homosexuality!

And screens of [info]fabularasa's post, with page two. Thank you, [info]gethsemane and [info]finferwen!




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[info]lcsbanana
2007-07-29 09:27 pm UTC (link)
yer links are screwed...

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-07-29 09:29 pm UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2007-07-29 09:27 pm UTC (link)
You've got jargon stuck on your HTML link, which is giving a 404 code. But it's easily fixable.

But I am glad that [info]fabularasa is here to remind us all that we should all turn to the wizarding world to dictate properly tolerant views across the human spectrum. I know when I wake up every day to face a world of human prejudice and evil, I, too, think of Sirius and Remus and their "brotherly" love and find in myself the strength to go on!

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-07-29 09:30 pm UTC

[info]faynia
2007-07-29 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I was hoping this would show up soon. It's been drifting around since carpet book.

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(no subject) - [info]miraba, 2007-07-30 02:10 am UTC

[info]grrliz
2007-07-29 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh please, is anyone really surprised that we didn't have a Big Gay Reveal at the end of Book 7? It's not like these books haven't been heteronormative right from the beginning. I know people argue that since JKR tackles all manner of Big Scary Themes Not Fit For Children, somehow homosexuality should have been one of them but I know I, for one, would have been annoyed if suddenly Uncles Gunther and Arsenius had showed up as barmy ol' gayfolk at Bill and Fleur's wedding because, hello, tokenism much?

Then again, I have a feeling if JKR did randomly insert a couple of characters to appease fandom, people would have complained that a) she didn't make the right characters gay, b) that she's just practicing the aforementioned tokenism, or c) both.

JKR was never going to win this argument no matter how she wrote the books.

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*nods* - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-07-30 04:54 am UTC
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[info]viralmemory
2007-07-29 09:34 pm UTC (link)
broken link the first, or is it locked?

Also, JKR's series didn't cause enough CAPSLOCK RAGE in the religious whackjob community that she's not allowed to leave a character or two the opportunity to stay in the closet? Just because she didn't shoehorn in an outing, and it would have been shoehorned, she hates teh ghey?

Man, I just can't comment without my thoughts on yaoi coming out. Sorry.

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-07-29 09:37 pm UTC
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[info]grrliz
2007-07-29 09:40 pm UTC (link)
No, it's the picture of the surrounding culture that, taken together with that, goes to create a world of near-oppressive heteronormativity, where the aim and achievement of normal life is mating with a partner of the opposite sex and breeding. I'm sorry, that's not the Wizarding World, that's the freaking Nineteen Fifties, and I'm kind of glad to have missed out on those.

I'm confused as to what about the wizarding world ever suggested it was stuck anywhere other than somewhere pre-twentieth (pre-nineteenth?) century in terms of acceptable societal practices. Achieving the standards of 1950s normative behaviour would probably be quite progressive for the wizarding world!

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[info]ladysorka
2007-07-29 09:48 pm UTC (link)
...well, I do admit that I remain a bit annoyed that she paired up the two characters who could most easily be read as queer together.

Of course, I can't be too annoyed, as this is the same woman who seems to think that boys that go on and on about how handsome their godfather/Tom Riddle/Cedric Diggory are are completely and totally straight. Sometimes, JKR's lack of editor makes me giggle.

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[info]hypno_jango
2007-07-29 09:49 pm UTC (link)
It begins to look like someone who either feels distaste for non-hetero individuals, or someone who doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize that beautifully fat check.

But then again, JKR did write Aberforth/Goat.

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[info]snowden
2007-07-29 09:50 pm UTC (link)
We're at Bill and Fleur's wedding, and Harry and Ron and Hermione are seating the guests, and what do you know, here comes dotty Uncle Gunther and his partner Uncle Arsenius, yes, yes, they've been together for years...

See, wasn't that painless?


Did anyone else find her hypothetical scene really painful? "Plz to be inserting these pointless, token characters in order to prove you are not prejudismed, kthx!"

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[info]rotten_fish
2007-07-29 09:57 pm UTC (link)
It's like they've completely forgotten the whole Mudblood/Muggleborn thing. Oh, well, Atty's in there, that makes sense.

I'm sorry you think HP needed more token characters and that they'd make a damn bit of difference, Fabs :(

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(no subject) - [info]malana, 2007-07-29 10:05 pm UTC

[info]malana
2007-07-29 10:04 pm UTC (link)
I really don't see how the lack of gay character is a OMG!HORRIBLEOPRESSIVE! thing. Now if she had Harry or someone else say "I'm really glad Remus married Tonks, because I thought he was a disgusting fa%*^&" that would have been offensive.

Personally I'd rather not have a token character shoved into a book just so I can point to them and say "oh wow, someone who representents me!!!"

I would have been fine with Remus or someone else being gay, but I don't care that he isn't. And I *like* him with Tonks. And, frankly, I like that Sirius and Remus can be extremely close friends without it being something sexual.

(And I always kind of want to say to these people: If you assumed a character was gay because he was quiet and sweet and had a really close friendship with another guy, maybe you should look at your own damned sterotyping.)

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[info]azazello
2007-07-29 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Why the flying fuck do we need gay characters in canon fer chrissakes? We have teh slashers! They've taken care of it already, everyone's gay, and everyone's done it with everyone else in every possible combination. JKR's the iconoclast for writing EEEEEEEEW! HET!

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[info]solar_type_star
2007-07-29 10:06 pm UTC (link)
I love when some people think that other people's creativity must be at the service of their own politics.

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[info]cork118
2007-07-29 10:14 pm UTC (link)
"She goes to great lengths to include black people."

Yes, by virtue of the fact that she includes them at all. It must have taken terrific strength and lots of forethought to briefly describe Shackelbolt as dark-skinned, or to comment on her website that Blaise Zabini is black. She's obviously excluding those icky queers from her books on purpose.

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[info]onaga
2007-07-29 10:16 pm UTC (link)
She had her chance, and she had the ears of a generation, and she displayed nothing but cowardly silence. And that's what I call an Unforgivable.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Omg, HEE - [info]pet, 2007-07-29 11:01 pm UTC
Re: Omg, HEE - [info]onaga, 2007-07-29 11:37 pm UTC
Re: Omg, HEE - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-07-29 11:53 pm UTC
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[info]lesbiassparrow
2007-07-29 10:21 pm UTC (link)
I assume these people believe that JK Rowling sits up at nights thinking 'oh great! another way to fuck _random lj user # 46_ over? Lovely!!!'

And I refuse to believe that Dumbledore/Grindelwhateverhisnameis isn't canon. Not to mention Dobby/Kreacher. We all know who Kreacher really cleaned himself up for, don't we?

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[info]puckity
2007-07-29 10:25 pm UTC (link)
See, here I've been thinking that this was a dramatic fantasy series concerning the plight of decent wizards against the onslaught of terror from genocidal ones, not a romance series about every possible relationship in an ideal, unicorn-filled world.

Oh man, do I feel stupid.

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[info]tunxeh
2007-07-29 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Because if you don't putcall attention to the gay characters in your books, you're reinforcing the heteronormative oppression.

There, fixed that for you. I'm mostly a het shipper, but I'm left with the very strong impression that Dumbledore was gay.

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[info]zyna_kat
2007-07-29 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Not seeing the wank. Well, not in that thread, anyway.

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[info]mochibuni
2007-07-29 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Do they really expect Harry to notice same sex relationships? The boy doesn't even realize when he's being a fruit.

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[info]chikane
2007-07-29 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Because Dumbledore and Grindelwald are so heteronormatively heterosexual.
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Come on. Yes, it'd have been awesome if there had been an outed gay character in there. If the character had somewhat of a point.

But just having them in there for having them in there? Uh...that'd be just as bad. Hi quota-queer, bye quota-queer. No thanks.

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eviemouse
2007-07-29 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Star Trek:TOS looks pretty strange to our eyes now. I mean, where are all the women? Where are the people of color? It looks odd, disconnected from reality. But of course, it was reflecting the reality of its times, and in that reality it was. . .I don't want to say offensive to view people of color or women in an idealized world. It's just that in an idealized world of the imagination, of course you would want to erase those people, right?

As far as I know (and I could of course be wrong), Star Trek TOS had the first on-TV-kiss between a white and a black person, didn't it?

And come on, TOS had everyone on the bridge, including a guy from (at that time evil communist) Russia.

Of course, those uniforms they gave to the female officers are kind of... uh... cheesy, but it's not as if the general clothing customs in the area when the show was made weren't strange as well.

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[info]verdementa
2007-07-29 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Yep. Expect she'll have some 'splaining to do.

Yeah, I expect J.K will have to sit with the fandom and explain to each and every one of us why she wouldn't write exactly the book we wanted her to write. Because pleasing absolutely everyone is such an easy thing to do.

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[info]livii
2007-07-29 10:40 pm UTC (link)
I like that apparently fabularasa posted on this without even finishing the book. ...Yeah.

I'm a little startled by everyone who took Tonks as gay, in that butch=gay; I always read her as mostly straight, with a possibility for queering based on her magical abilities that she probably didn't use. I find the assumption that because she was...what, clumsy? Wanted to be called by her last name? In a "man's" job? What?...that she had to be gay. I've got plenty of butch in me and am still mostly straight. And Tonks just reads really straight to me.

(And y'know, I still dislike Remus/Tonks and still see Remus/Sirius as a possibility). /wank

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[info]limyaael
2007-07-29 10:42 pm UTC (link)
And given the world we now live in, the omission of that kind of off-handed remark begins to look like conscious omission, which begins to look like something quite ominous. It begins to look like someone who either feels distaste for non-hetero individuals, or someone who doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize that beautifully fat check. Or maybe, and most probably, a fatal combination of those two.

Oh, come on, like you have the right to complain. Do you know what else she did? She excluded atheists by having the characters say, "God," and not mentioning Ron's totally cool rationalist skeptic cousin.

In fact, she left out Jewish and Buddhist and Shinto and Hindu and Bahai'i wizards, too. In fact, what about the smaller Christian sects like the snake-handlers? Since they're not mentioned, she must totally have hated them. Lawyers!

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