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Kirby ([info]negativecosine) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-07-30 19:00:00


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Current mood:this icon is omniappropriate
Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, race wank, your kink is not okay

HP Racewank
Okay. I was, um, really waiting for someone else to post this, and I continue to be staggered that no one has beat me to it. But, racewank! In HP! Come on, kids, you've got to do this kind of stuff before I come in and get my lame on it.

So, [info]daily_deviant has monthly challenges. This month's included miscegenation. This is apparently very bad.

DD has responded, with comments disabled.

My scope of the wank is limited; if there are links I've missed (and I'm sure there are plenty), let me know?

ETA: "I hate to break this to you, but racism works both ways. I learned that lesson hard and fast when I took African-American history in my final semester of college."

ETA2: I know you asked me not to, but, really, it's just necessary: Godwin has been evoked. Break out the pie.

And three: Plonking: not nearly as fun as it sounds. ('But it's not a bad word, really, see, Democrats used it!')

Plus, assumptions make an ass out of u and mptions.


Bullying and reclamation and cancer, oh my! Various quotes:

"Who are you talking about as originally having a hold on rainbows?"

"Did you know a lot of porn is also mysoginist?"

"This is essentially the equivalent of barging into the cancer ward and demanding treatment for your pneumonia.



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[info]esclaramonde
2007-07-31 01:35 am UTC (link)
I am interested to learn that it's misce-genation and not mis-cegenation.

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[info]negativecosine
2007-07-31 01:37 am UTC (link)
I was kind of secretly more interested in the etymology than the self-righteous indignation, to be honest...

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-07-31 01:40 am UTC (link)
I'm sort of baffled at the whole thing, intrigued to find out that "miscegenation" is not an inherently negative noun, and ... yesh. The indignant meta reminds me too much of Strikethrough and my fandom.

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[info]negativecosine
2007-07-31 01:43 am UTC (link)
I was rather thrilled to find the other term, exogamy, which is marrying outside one's social group. I mean, miscegenation was a term supposedly coined by the US Supreme Court in something Fergusen (is that how that's spelled? don't care.) and thus the etymology is a little weird, and, I'm rambling at this point. It's the context that brings the racism, not the word itself, but, so many people have attached the two, and that...

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[info]txvoodoo
2007-07-31 01:45 am UTC (link)
Plessy vs Ferguson, maybe?

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[info]negativecosine
2007-07-31 01:46 am UTC (link)
That one, thank you! Wikipedia=semiknowledge, not real learning, I've found. As, y'know, exemplified by my knowing half of a useful bit of information.

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[info]txvoodoo
2007-07-31 01:56 am UTC (link)
Hey, I'm very happy I remembered it - did a paper on it in Philosophy of Law back in 1982 ;) My short term memory may be for crap, but YAY long term memory!

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[info]damnedfallacy
2007-07-31 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Just when I think I couldn't love you more... :*

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[info]txvoodoo
2007-07-31 05:41 pm UTC (link)
LOL! Now I'm trying to figure out who you are ;)

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[info]damnedfallacy
2007-07-31 06:15 pm UTC (link)
[info]hawklaw :D

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[info]txvoodoo
2007-07-31 06:55 pm UTC (link)
OH! OH! *glomps*

:D

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(no subject) - [info]damnedfallacy, 2007-07-31 06:58 pm UTC

[info]txvoodoo
2007-07-31 06:57 pm UTC (link)
P.S. I remembered P vs F! I was so happy that I did. It's been about 25 years since I studied and wrote about it :D That, with Brown vs Board of Education, on a thesis about de facto versus de jure segretation.

(I really SHOULD have gone to law school, right? Alas, I ditched it. Couldn't stand thought of four MORE years, after actually finishing college took me about 7, with breaks :D)

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(no subject) - [info]damnedfallacy, 2007-07-31 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]txvoodoo, 2007-07-31 07:01 pm UTC

[info]snarp
2007-07-31 03:00 am UTC (link)
"The word itself" has never been a value-neutral term for "procreating with a member of another race." It implies that the act it describes is a sin or a crime, in the same way that "sodomy" does. It can't be divorced from its context.

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[info]negativecosine
2007-07-31 03:08 am UTC (link)
So how about that exogamy?

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[info]mmanurere
2007-07-31 03:24 am UTC (link)
Exogamy's actually a pretty broad term -- it can even refer to marriage/sex outside one's own village. In HP, for instance, a couple composed of a Muggle and a witch or wizard would definitely be a case of exogamy...actually, do we ever see this happening in the HP books? I wonder...

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[info]negativecosine
2007-07-31 03:51 am UTC (link)
Yeah, someone's parents, one of the Gryffindor boys; cannot be arsed to remember which one, sadly.

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[info]agent_hyatt
2007-07-31 04:16 am UTC (link)
Seamus, in book canon; Dean's father is a wizard by authorial-word canon, but as his father left his mother very early on, it probably doesn't count.

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(no subject) - [info]negativecosine, 2007-07-31 04:17 am UTC
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[info]pointandlaugh
2007-07-31 07:45 am UTC (link)
Ted Tonks, I believe.

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[info]tunxeh
2007-07-31 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Not if you're looking for examples of wizard-nonwizard marriages. Ted was muggle-born, but a wizard.

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[info]feenix
2007-07-31 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I'm surprised that no one thus far has mentioned the most obvious one. (Though to be fair, one might say that was a case of rape more than actual consenting sex, but it still counts.)

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(no subject) - [info]fourthage, 2007-07-31 11:00 pm UTC

[info]camilla
2007-07-31 05:21 am UTC (link)
It's been a long time but exogamy also ties in with the incest taboo, which makes it a good rather than a bad thing I suppose.

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-07-31 05:41 am UTC (link)
This thing is giving me a weird earworm to Kinship Systems class: matrilineal patrilocal sibs with preferential cross-cousin marriage, cha cha cha

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(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-07-31 05:46 am UTC

[info]jetamors
2007-07-31 01:56 am UTC (link)
If this link is correct, it was coined as a smear against Lincoln's presidential campaign, so I'm not sure if there was any point at which it wasn't pejorative to people in favor of interracial relationships.

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-07-31 11:41 am UTC (link)
Now I want to know why the dictionary doesn't make that clear, because from the one linked in the report as well as Dictionary.com just say that it has a straightforward meaning.

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[info]morwyn
2007-08-01 05:02 pm UTC (link)
The OED (#1 dictionary of pretentious English majors!) agrees: "Coined by David Goodman Croly and George Wakeman in an anonymously published hoax pamphlet circulated in 1863, which implied that the American Republican party favoured mixed-race relationships."

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