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dreamer_marie ([info]dreamer_marie) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-08-14 16:57:00


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Entry tags:food, taking it too seriously

Paris Is a Great City But the French Are Rats
As you may know, Pixar has released a new movie called Ratatouille. At first glance, it seems like a cute movie about a rat with a talent for cooking who overcomes all obstacles and prejudice to become a great chef.
Superfrenchie blogger Flocon knows better:


At another moment, Colette again introduces the different people working in the kitchen. About one of the guys she goes: ”He says he’s been resisting but nobody really understands what he’s referring to. He must have lost something”. Needless to say, this last line is absolutely useless for the understanding of the situation. Just a cheap shot, a mediocre jab for the fun of it to American ears. I knew the majority of the French audience in the theatre didn’t understand at once what was this line supposed to mean. I had to ask the friend I was with what she understood there. Eventually, and after I’ve been insisting, sheguessed it must have had something to do with the war. My guess is thatthe average American audience didn’t need more than one second to get it.

But what is the whole story about after all? The movie goes to tell that “Grande Cuisine”, which is automatically associated with France in the minds of most Americans, is actually made by … rats!

Skinner,the bad guy, who’s the most despicable, treacherous, mean, ugly character you can think of, who can’t talk without making the most atrocious faces. And to top it all he’s very, very short, to the point he always needs a ladder when he wants to look through a window, for example. Last but not least it seems Pixar thought an Arab-looking man will perfectly illustrate what a contemporary French cook could look like. Is this another opportunity for a certain American obsession to emerge?

How about the very idea on which the plot is based! Why would they choose rats to be the ones responsible for the great cooking???Because, mind you, none of the French can cook in this cartoon but the rats! You think it’s just a coincidence? Aow, come on… Now, what is the most common expression we know about rats? Those who flee when the ship is sinking! Do you remember the defamation campaign launched by FOX and pretty much the entire American MSM when they used to ponder again and again that the French had let America down when it was under the threat of WMDs? Am I too much of a paranoid when I think this campaign has eventually found a PC and subliminal translation into a family movie?


And of course:

Behind the smiling appearance of an innocuous nice little cartoon, Ratatouille is actually a filthy piece of French-bashing in artistic disguise. It will be seen by millions of American kids who will be offered another confirmation of all the prejudice they’re being regularly exposed to:Paris is a great city but the French are rats.


A lot of going back and forth in the comments about the symbolism of various animals, who exactly in the movie can cook, if it's offensive to portray Paris as a romantic city, and whether or not that joke was offensive (and what it really meant).
Oh, and have I mentioned that the OP safely lives in Paris, where the most French-bashing he's exposed to is the occasional polite request for directions to the Eiffel Tower?




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[info]eilan
2007-08-15 12:02 am UTC (link)
Does he get the point of this movie at all?!?

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2007-08-15 12:10 am UTC (link)
I've made three attempts and I can't get past the first three sentences without coma.

Could someone more patient/less sleep deprived please summarise?

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[info]sorchar
2007-08-15 12:24 am UTC (link)
But...but...professional chefs love this movie! Tony Bourdain said it's the best chef movie ever! WTF?

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[info]mlle_morizot
2007-08-15 12:27 am UTC (link)
Huh. And here's me thinking that the movie was about learning to follow your dreams and other feel-good lessons of that sort. Guess I wasn't paying close enough attention.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2007-08-15 12:33 am UTC (link)
1. Pixar isn't a part of Disney any more, I thought? Didn't they go their own way? (Hence, Shrek not being a Disney movie.)

2. There’s a subliminal message in the movie, at least this is what I saw. *adjusts tin hat*

3. Man, what did they think of Valiant then? (Note: WWII; English carrier pigeons go to France to get out messages from the French Resistance who are mice, and the Germans are nasty, nasty falcons that have stuffed pigeons on the mantle. -- No I'm not making this shit up.)

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2007-08-15 12:50 am UTC (link)
If they noticed, most of the chefs were charactures of *something*. You had the violent German, the hotheaded French babe, the Creole who says stuff like "bad juju" (I was quite surprised when he said that becuause previous to that line he hadn't been a stereotype at all), and of course, the empty-headed American. At least I assume he was American, he had an American accent.

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now, with the correct roman numeral! - pooka, 2007-08-16 05:42 am UTC
Moomin love! - [info]darkhavens, 2007-08-16 09:22 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2007-08-15 12:57 am UTC (link)
Now, what is the most common expression we know about rats? Those who flee when the ship is sinking!

I haven't seen the movie, but I would honestly never have picked this up. My impression of rats is "clever buggers who will get around anything humans come up with to trap them, and therefore should be respected."

My impression of rats may be far too influenced by Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-08-15 01:04 am UTC (link)
You know, I would think that the Resistance joke would work better with a French audience, since your average American may or may not be aware of the French Resistance at all. Which is pathetic, but there you are.

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[info]waltraute
2007-08-15 01:08 am UTC (link)
another confirmation of all the prejudice they’re being regularly exposed to:Paris is a great city but the French are rats

Funny, I kept hearing this the summer that I spent in Toulouse...

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[info]hangingfire
2007-08-15 01:13 am UTC (link)
Dear god, don't ever let this guy near Art Spiegelman's Maus.

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[info]nekoama
2007-08-15 01:18 am UTC (link)
Now, what is the most common expression we know about rats? Those who flee when the ship is sinking
Yes. Because kids, and most others, seeing this will immedietly make that connection. Not 'hey, there's a dish with 'rat' in it and the rat is cooking! Oh, that's cute.'

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[info]emiweebee
2007-08-15 01:18 am UTC (link)
The French are so prone to being contrary, I almost expect a number of Frenchies to stand up and disagree.

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[info]anarchicq
2007-08-15 01:30 am UTC (link)
Having not seen the movie, I can confidently say that Rizzo and his muppety rat friends can make better bacon and eggs than Ratitoulli.

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[info]ara
2007-08-15 01:33 am UTC (link)
Wow, what the hell. I just read an article in the paper today that the French love this movie due to its attention to culinary detail.

I think some~one has rat issues!

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-08-15 01:39 am UTC (link)
I read that post with a French accent in my mind.

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[info]lucario
2007-08-15 01:43 am UTC (link)
I saw this movie with the 'rents the day it came out and never would have pinned it as a "We hate the French!" movie. Then again I'm an American and haven't been outside the country yet, so I wouldn't know how things really are in Paris.

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[info]solar_type_star
2007-08-15 01:47 am UTC (link)
Man, and here I thought that the wank this movie would inspire would be about Rémy being coded gay.

(One detail I loved is that the Paris public telephones were exactly like the real ones. Aaaah, memories...)

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[info]erototoxin
2007-08-15 01:50 am UTC (link)
Three interesting things in Ratatouille:

1. Somebody spent a LOT of time watching rats. Those animated rats (when not doing patently un-rattish things like cooking) moved EXACTLY like real rats.
2. No more "Look! He has the family birthmark!" - we now detect illegitimate sons via DNA testing, even in cartoons.
3. I need a whole bunch of rats in the house to cook for me.

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[info]daringu
2007-08-15 01:52 am UTC (link)
Why would they choose rats to be the ones responsible for the great cooking???

Did this person miss the pun in the title?

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[info]airborne_rodent
2007-08-15 01:52 am UTC (link)
What the hell's wrong with rats, dammit!

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[info]wankprophet
2007-08-15 02:08 am UTC (link)
Look, I'll concede all his points if he concedes that the Asterix and Obelix characters are just vile and slanderous parodies of true-blue American heroes Kiefer Sutherland and Gérard Depardieu respectively.

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[info]quaedam
2007-08-15 02:16 am UTC (link)
Gosh. All the reviews I read of the film (well, a good few of 'em, anyhow) were loving the fact that Ratatouille was selling an old-fashioned romantic, sentimental, *positive* image of Paris, France, and the French which is currently *not* politically popular among some in this country (hence the drop in American tourism to France, which kinda depends on selling just that image).

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[info]mer1973
2007-08-15 02:16 am UTC (link)
This is a much funnier wank then some of the ones I saw over "The Incredibles." Until the Internet told me, I didn't realize it was wrong for some people to be more talented and gifted then others, and that kids who stalk their heroes and place their self and others in danger shouldn't be sent home to their mothers.

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2007-08-15 02:17 am UTC (link)
Wow. The WTF is strong with this one. I can see his tinhat gleaming in the sunlight all the way over in France.

Personally I'd think he'd be pleased that a cartoon broke out of the old "French people are all talented chefs" stereotype. But then I have this unhealthy habit using Earth logic. I should do something about that.

Oh and I definitely don't get the joke. Still puzzling over it.

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