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micchi ([info]micchi) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-08-20 07:44:00


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Current mood:Caffeinated
Current music:Joe Satriani - Surfing With The Alien
Entry tags:thoughts on yaoi, yaoi

Thoughts On Yaoi. Or Gay Rights. Or Homophobes.
From a little mousie over at [info]wank_report, with apologies for bastardizing the language used herein and making it my own. And my first post at JournalFen is, of course, wank. Whoohoo!

With the cutest little bunny icon, someone going by the charming moniker of dmitric300 shares Thoughts On Yaoi.

It seems that people who write, read, and generally enjoy yaoi/slash don't really advocate gay rights. At least, not really. And clearly, yaoi/slash as a whole advocates nothing but the general right to be a pervert.

Or maybe he's just upset at being told he's homophobic, when all he wants is to not have that darn gaynessity shoved down his throat. Or maybe it's all the yaoi/slash icons on fanficrants when he's browsing ElJay at work. Of course, it could always be just that he's upset that not everyone interprets a character, and more importantly, that character's sexuality the same way he does. Who knows?

But whether this charming young specimen is a troll or a sockpuppet; well, all signs point to yes.

Comments are, so far, surprisingly mature. Except for the occasional OP is a homophobe!.

Points of interest:

This gem of a thread is my personal favorite; commenter responds with lengthy comment, OP picks up on a single thing, hilarity ensues.

"Technically LJ will let me post Tub girl on here in full resolution and it will be a while before it comes down, long enough to disturb all of you. However that isn't the courteous thing to do. Also posting a really graphic incest rape story on a board that you know kids frequent isn't all that nice either, even if it isn't breaking site rules. I meant common etiquette, not bending to my will. (all though it is nice when people bend to your will)"

In this thread, dmitric300 may or may not be truly angry about people getting icky yaoi in his nice shounen series: "Anyways, naruto is a shounen manga so that implies that all of the main characters will not get into any gay relationships (that would make it shounen-ai or shoujou-ai) or have explicit sex (that would make it hentai)."

Because what happens off-screen defines the genre, as opposed to...I dunno. The stuff that happens onscreen. Drat, that would be using Earth logic.

Mousie's favorite thread, here, shows the OP backpedaling and often.

"Perhaps I view canon differently from others. When I look at whether something is possible or someone is 'in character' I also include the genre in which the creative work resides. If I were to see an unsupported shounen-ai relationhip in a shounen-ai series I would think nothing of it, such a relationship is quite possible in that world. However in a shounen series like Naruto it is extremely improbable for two main male characters to ever show interest in each other and I treat it differently. A care bear rape-fic would illicit a negative response while it may not in a more mature series."

As kutsuwamushi puts it, "I'm going to ignore the fact that you're changing your argument from "we'd know if they were bisexual because they wouldn't be acting straight" to "homosexuality doesn't happen in this genre...""

And then the Mod Hat comes up -- mikkeneko issues the ultimatum -- One comment to prove lack of trolling, or it's banhammer and ship it out.

ETA:

Bonus links!

From iwanttobeasleep, Antiyaoi meta!

From [info]zannechaos via means other than journaling service (also pointed out downthread by [info]ladybirdsleeps): For those of you upset at the lack of this being FFR proper for the mod tags, we have Repeat Offender Sign! (An excellent thread, and totally related re: the flaunting of icons, can be found here.

ETA 2: *facepalm* Finish reading the comments before you edit. Got it.


OHGODMYINBOX




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[info]xero_sky
2007-08-20 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Finally, please don't flaunt your love of yaoi for everyone to see in everyone of your posts, your icons etc.

Offending random asshats everywhere we go is one of the perks of being a yaoi fangirl, though! It's in our contracts. Don't make me call the union on you, buddy.

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(no subject) - [info]lollercoaster, 2007-08-20 07:43 pm UTC
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[info]trinity_destler
2007-08-20 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Well, someone stifled his creativity at a young age.

"Colour inside the lines, beeyoch or I'll flagellate you again!"

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[info]ladysphinx
2007-08-20 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Wait, so . . . homosexuality is natural and good, but writing about gay sex is perverted. So we should respect homosexuality by never talking about it in public and refusing to acknowledge its existence. ::glances out the window:: Oh, look, we're in 1901. I'd better go put on my bustle.

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[info]shoiryu
2007-08-20 06:22 pm UTC (link)
That's no ordinary rabbit! That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!

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[info]sushi
2007-08-20 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Yaoi: the new Tubgirl.

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(no subject) - [info]micchi, 2007-08-20 07:59 pm UTC
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[info]chikane
2007-08-20 06:28 pm UTC (link)
However in a shounen series like Naruto it is extremely improbable for two main male characters to ever show interest in each other and I treat it differently.

So THIS is why some people always bend themselves over backwards whenever something gay happens, to try to explain it as "totally not gay".
Finally it makes sense, it's the genre! Even though it totally is gay, it's not because it's the genre. The characters may be all over each other(including fantasizing about kisses and asking various other characters if kissing a member of their own sex is okay), but it cannot ever be gay! It all makes sense now.

Also, there is no "guy guy" fanservice in Naruto. None. Especially not right at the beginning of the manga where Naruto totally does not kiss Sas-uke/seme on accident.

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(no subject) - [info]obsidianwolf, 2007-08-20 06:45 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-08-20 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]soupspooks, 2007-08-20 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-08-20 07:51 pm UTC
Gay in My Naruto? - wolfie_thu, 2007-08-20 09:08 pm UTC
It's more likely than you think. - [info]ryuutchi, 2007-08-20 09:13 pm UTC
Re: It's more likely than you think. - wolfie_thu, 2007-08-20 09:30 pm UTC
Re: It's more likely than you think. - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-08-21 05:24 am UTC
Re: It's more likely than you think. - redwarrior, 2007-08-21 09:53 pm UTC
Re: It's more likely than you think. - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-08-22 04:09 am UTC
Re: Gay in My Naruto? - [info]chikane, 2007-08-20 10:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pointsandlaughs, 2007-08-20 08:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2007-08-20 08:44 pm UTC
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[info]alleyprowler
2007-08-20 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Oh God, [info]flyingskull is in there, 'breaking a lance' for the team. I may never uncringe.

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[info]lcsbanana
2007-08-20 06:42 pm UTC (link)
dude, people LOVED the care bear rape-fic. shows what this guy knows.

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[info]omega
2007-08-20 06:48 pm UTC (link)
So they've never heard of a thing called doujinshi then?

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-21 07:40 am UTC
::waves to fandom wank::
[info]musouka
2007-08-20 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Unfortunately, if you didn't before, I guess you all now know my thoughts on thoughts on yaoi. (And my favorite Phoenix Wright couple)

I should have known better.

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Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]soupspooks, 2007-08-20 07:50 pm UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]musouka, 2007-08-20 09:34 pm UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]b_jellybean, 2007-08-21 05:50 am UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]musouka, 2007-08-21 06:39 am UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]vzg, 2007-08-21 08:32 am UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]b_jellybean, 2007-08-21 04:03 pm UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - (Anonymous), 2007-08-21 11:29 pm UTC
Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]musouka, 2007-08-22 04:55 am UTC
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Re: ::waves to fandom wank:: - [info]seiberwing, 2007-08-20 09:43 pm UTC
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[info]iris
2007-08-20 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Homosexuality never happens in shounen?

Sensui and Itsuki must've been a figment of my imagination.

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[info]edelweiss
2007-08-20 07:29 pm UTC (link)
is this where we GIP?

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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-20 08:27 pm UTC
GIP - [info]chaootaku, 2007-08-21 12:04 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-08-20 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Didn't Naruto actually have gay fanservice in it at one point?

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[info]rekall
2007-08-20 07:40 pm UTC (link)
lol, I find more homosexuality in shounen series than I do shoujo (unless it's CLAMP or Kaori Yuki).

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[info]soupspooks
2007-08-20 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I remember all of this... miraculously, a post I remember. Mostly because I read it and thought "hooooboy."

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[info]sashenka
2007-08-20 08:05 pm UTC (link)
My thoughts on yaoi: Let me show you them.

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[info]sarajayechan
2007-08-20 08:05 pm UTC (link)
*brings down the giant O RLY stamp on the rant*

Seriously, I read it and I kept going O RLY in my head, it's just that ridiuclous. XD

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[info]gynocrat
2007-08-20 08:07 pm UTC (link)
*yawn*

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To Clarify - [info]gynocrat, 2007-08-20 08:09 pm UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2007-08-20 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Technically LJ will let me post Tub girl on here in full resolution and it will be a while before it comes down, long enough to disturb all of you.

Is it just me, or does that sort of imply that posting Tubgirl would be disturbing to us, but not really disturbing to him?

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-20 08:21 pm UTC
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[info]tez
2007-08-20 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I was somewhat sorrowful that he didn't post his rant on FFR itself. I was itchin' to put some tag action on that.

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(no subject) - [info]webbgirl, 2007-08-20 10:46 pm UTC

[info]viralmemory
2007-08-20 08:39 pm UTC (link)
My, isn't he earnest about it? Someone who isn't the target audience complaining about how he and his male friends don't want buttsex? Good thing yaoi writers aren't talking about him.

I swear, we need to mark a calendar with these 'thoughts on yaoi' posts. Maybe there's a cosmic pattern inherent in them.

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(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2007-08-21 07:01 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-08-20 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Someone, show this dude some of the official Kurama/Hiei stuff! Quick!

Also, Apollo/Midnighter would break his brain. Glee. <3

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[info]ella_w
2007-08-20 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, there is no gay in Naruto. None at all.

Not to mention that lesbian chick in Bleach. Or all of Prince of Tennis.

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2007-08-20 09:32 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-08-20 09:05 pm UTC (link)
So, if shounen has no yaoi, then shojo has no yuri by logical conclusion, does it?

Ah, guess I was SO WRONG about Haruka and Michiru. ;)


SleepyMouse

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[info]queencallipygos
2007-08-20 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Technically LJ will let me post Tub girl on here in full resolution and it will be a while before it comes down, long enough to disturb all of you.

....wait.

You know that picspam that was in all the communities a couple days back? I wonder if it was some weird rogue protest to the LJ/6A bannination?

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2007-08-20 10:56 pm UTC
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