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Can you hear the drums Fernando?
I've come bringing a tasty little ABBA wank.
As was established in previous wanks, ABBA fans tend to be a little...touchy? Which is why I lurk for the pictures and tend to avoid discussions. That is, until tonight when curiosity got the best of me and I clicked on a topic entitled Frida jealous at Agnetha?. (The splooge is oozing in a few different directions of wtf/teal dear at once)
I cannot link to individual comments. Woe.
Who's Who in ABBA:
Agnetha = the blonde with the (apparently) famous ass
Frida = the other one
There were also some guys in the group, or something.
New member, Marielon posts innocently asking if Frida was ever jealous of Agnetha.
A seemingly innocent question, especially in light of Frida's infamous 'nudge'.
A few posters make comments about how we can never really know how 'the girls' felt about each other and it seems fairly calm (and personally I was quite impressed, Agnetha vs. Frida debates seem to end up as messy dogpiles).
No problem, right? Well...these are ABBA fans...
Phil posts "when you are so exceptionnally beautiful and talented as Frida,you can not be jealous of Agnetha or any one else i think! " and Carribean (star of previous ABBA wanks) responds with "A very unsympathetic statement that has nothing to do with Frida who is too kind and humble to think of herself that way."
Phil takestl;dr offense:
"Carribean,
I am really fed up with your quick judgements,on and i cannot accept your last one liner about my message.
Who are you to judge people like that?
I did not mean to be unsympathetic ....at the last to Frida who knows me
You are really out of line on this one.
[SNIP]
Your last judgement really makes me angry.
There was not an ounce of attack towards Agnetha , in my statement... it was a reaction on the fact that those stories, insinuations,projections of Frida being jealous of Agnetha, or being a jealous person, as written in that "On speaking terms" Abba book lead people to believe them or take them alas for granted...and others go on speculate about them.
Enough said."
Carribean does not take this well and responds with:
"And that is *all* I said Phil! You took my quote and went running with it because you *think* there might be a hidden message and there is none.
There is not even one negative notion in there about Frida! I said she is too kind and humble! If you had bothered to read my first post in this topic you would have known my opinion. I do not state negative things about Frida nor about Agnetha and I want to make sure nobody else does.
I adore both Frida and Agnetha and I take them with all their amazing qualities but also with their flaws. At the end of the day they are two normal women and no Godesses. Don't turn Frida (or Agnetha) into an Uebermensch! They are normal women with normal feelings and we do not know much about how they really felt/feel about each other or how they feel about themselves for that matter.
So please do not conclude things after reading that line because I am not in the anti-Frida brigade but I was responding to your line that I felt was unsympathetic and un-Frida!"
(As an aside, I can't decide if it's more creepy how all of these men act as if they personally know Frida and/or Agnetha, or the lavish hero!worship...)
Surprisingly Phil seems to attempt to Be The Adult. Or something:
"I won't react to any of your posts anymore carribean.
Your professor tone is really unaceptable to me.
You are totally wrong in your perceptions as you do not know me,neither you know Frida.
I don't see Anni-Frid as a goddess ,she is a genuine human being ,who happens to have a unique talent and is an exceptionnal beauty.
I was just fed up with those constantly recurring comments/projections of Frida being jealous...of Agnetha in the first place, thus my first message.....Needless to say that similar comments of Agnetha being jealous of Frida would irritate me the same.fortunately hey seldom appear.
"
Carribean is Offended! And he quickly responds to make sure that everyone knows about it:
"This is the first and only topic about any jealousy between both women and so far things were totally in control.
I am not here as a teacher but as a fellow ABBA fan who responded to your comment. A comment that I think is a little over the top but then you make things personal as if *I* bash Frida, as if *I* say negative things about her all the time.
Fact is that I have never said anything negative about the lady. Feel free to go through my posts and point them out for me without being overly sensitive of course since criticism can be very healthy!
I thank you!
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/ftopic-3065
After Phil and Carribean's back and forth, it looked like the other ABBA fans wouldn't get a chance to join in the fun, but don't worry it looks like skip joined especially to have his/her say (Arrival):
"first time here, first topic read, same old tripe written by the same person
i guess some things never change
when will frida's and agnetha's "fans" stop doing this?
probably never
a shame really - it just chases true fans of their music away"
Carribean encourages skip to give the forum another chance while bruser makes a cryptic (at least I can't make heads or tales of it) comment about the book BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS (WHY ARE WE TALKING IN ALL CAPS I WONDER?):
"It is a fact at the time of the break up of abba there was a lot of animosity within the group. Good friends would have met more than a few times in a year,and would have definitely sat together at mamamia. So i think some of you should read BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS by carl magnus palm, you may find why the girls don't get together now. cheers bruce."
(It's a new trend, TITLE IN CAPS author in lower case. HARRY POTTER by jk rowling, WAR AND PEACE by leo tolstoy...I'm sure there is a clever joke here, but I need more chocolate or something before I can think of it)
MMM brings the thread back on topic posting:
"What do I think? Let's see where do I start? Mit den Augen rollen Mit den Augen rollen First of all, I don't know if she is now or ever was - nor does anyone else except perhaps people who know her personally. Second of all, I don't care if she is now or ever was - it doesn't have any impact on my enjoyment of the music. Third, I wonder why you've "always been wondering" I mean, does it really make any difference to your enjoyment of the music? "
A few other members comment about how Frida and Agnetha were too awesome!super!amazing to ever be jealous of anything much less each other! *smiles until it hurts* and then skip comes back to clarify his earlier post:
Allow me to [SNIP] for your reading ease
"
actually, i wasn't referring to the topic at all
it's a fair question - was frida jealous of agnetha
i get frustrated when others come along and elevate frida or agnetha
[SNIP]
bruser said
It is a fact at the time of the break up of abba there was a lot of animosity within the group. Good friends would have met more than a few times in a year,and would have definitely sat together at mamamia. So i think some of you should read BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS by carl magnus palm, you may find why the girls don't get together now. cheers bruce.
bruser i read that book cover to cover and don't understand what you are trying to say
maybe i read the text instead of what i thought was written between the lines
do you have any quotes from the book to back up your statement"
Here lovefridax shares their thoughtson yaoi Frida/Agnetha's friendship on yaoi and DancingQueen agrees. lemmon tries to join in the sudden moment of warm fuzzies (Dream World) by adding a small triva tidbit:
"Yes, in Holland Agnetha was the most popular one at that time. ~There were polls in the popmagazines and every time Agnetha was voted as the popular one.[...]it was a poll of the most popular female singer of 1979. Agnetha was nr.1, Frida nr.8.(de hitkrant) And yes ,he was most of the time on the covers of the popmagazines. Frida had her own group of fans"
lovefridax however does not want to share the love (People Need Love?):
"Lemmon,
Your comments stating some facts about an unimportant poll, just serve to inflame the A vs F debates.
Did this poll achieve anything, do you think Agnetha walked around with a badge saying "Im no1 in Holland", no, just a poll that means nothing. It was probably voted for by girls who wanted to look like Agnetha and boys that fancied her. Big deal.
On another day, another month or another year Frida may have topped that poll. But somehow i dont think youll accept that fact.
Does it make you feel better to think your idol is more popular than another. Im curious to know what you get out of it.
Because what makes me feel better is that both girls are appreciated for their talents and not insulted, because some ignorant happens to prefer their colleague more.
Oh and i wasnt calling you an ignorant, but refering to the idiots out there who feel a need to do this. "
Carribean agrees with lovefridax:
"And Lemmon: please get over it! Some polls in one magazine does not make Agnetha the queen..."
lovefridax makes a rather ironic comment considering their username:
"...Some of the comments are disgusting and downright offensive, and these people should not be tolerated in the Abba community.
There are certain people on here, who dont openly write comments like that on here, but you can get a sense of their feelings, by other things they write. And when you see their name in a reply to a topic, you can pretty much guess their response."
Then Phil sweeps in to let Marielon know that all is well because:
"I have seen your profile and i realise that you are young ...and maybe unknowing of the recurring attacks/insinuations Frida has endured since Abba became famous ,33 years ago..."
and procedes to become long winded, but it includes this beautiful gem:
"This kind of jealousy rumours/projections you started to talk about on this thread lead to negative thinking and we have to be careful with it. "
OHNOES! teh negative thoughts!
lemmon and lovefridax debate the worthiness of the magazine poll from the seventies and then the wank petters out with the arrival of the forum admin johnny59. Sadness.
Sorry for the tl;dr, wish I could post links to the actual comments for your viewing pleasure.
ETA: Now with pictures! So everyone can pick their favorite! (Yes, Alex, I'll take Bennybjörn for 500...)
ETA2: I just thought to check the profile of the OP, and they're under age, so I'm going to edit out my quotes of their posts. Everyone else middle aged and much wankier than the OP was anyway. (Mods let me know if you want me to delete the entire post, and I will do so in the morning, but I'm falling asleep at the computer at the moment.)
ETA2: For the sake of comparison Frida's ass
I've come bringing a tasty little ABBA wank.
As was established in previous wanks, ABBA fans tend to be a little...touchy? Which is why I lurk for the pictures and tend to avoid discussions. That is, until tonight when curiosity got the best of me and I clicked on a topic entitled Frida jealous at Agnetha?. (The splooge is oozing in a few different directions of wtf/teal dear at once)
I cannot link to individual comments. Woe.
Who's Who in ABBA:
Agnetha = the blonde with the (apparently) famous ass
Frida = the other one
There were also some guys in the group, or something.
New member, Marielon posts innocently asking if Frida was ever jealous of Agnetha.
A seemingly innocent question, especially in light of Frida's infamous 'nudge'.
A few posters make comments about how we can never really know how 'the girls' felt about each other and it seems fairly calm (and personally I was quite impressed, Agnetha vs. Frida debates seem to end up as messy dogpiles).
No problem, right? Well...these are ABBA fans...
Phil posts "when you are so exceptionnally beautiful and talented as Frida,you can not be jealous of Agnetha or any one else i think! " and Carribean (star of previous ABBA wanks) responds with "A very unsympathetic statement that has nothing to do with Frida who is too kind and humble to think of herself that way."
Phil takes
"Carribean,
I am really fed up with your quick judgements,on and i cannot accept your last one liner about my message.
Who are you to judge people like that?
I did not mean to be unsympathetic ....at the last to Frida who knows me
You are really out of line on this one.
[SNIP]
Your last judgement really makes me angry.
There was not an ounce of attack towards Agnetha , in my statement... it was a reaction on the fact that those stories, insinuations,projections of Frida being jealous of Agnetha, or being a jealous person, as written in that "On speaking terms" Abba book lead people to believe them or take them alas for granted...and others go on speculate about them.
Enough said."
Carribean does not take this well and responds with:
"And that is *all* I said Phil! You took my quote and went running with it because you *think* there might be a hidden message and there is none.
There is not even one negative notion in there about Frida! I said she is too kind and humble! If you had bothered to read my first post in this topic you would have known my opinion. I do not state negative things about Frida nor about Agnetha and I want to make sure nobody else does.
I adore both Frida and Agnetha and I take them with all their amazing qualities but also with their flaws. At the end of the day they are two normal women and no Godesses. Don't turn Frida (or Agnetha) into an Uebermensch! They are normal women with normal feelings and we do not know much about how they really felt/feel about each other or how they feel about themselves for that matter.
So please do not conclude things after reading that line because I am not in the anti-Frida brigade but I was responding to your line that I felt was unsympathetic and un-Frida!"
(As an aside, I can't decide if it's more creepy how all of these men act as if they personally know Frida and/or Agnetha, or the lavish hero!worship...)
Surprisingly Phil seems to attempt to Be The Adult. Or something:
"I won't react to any of your posts anymore carribean.
Your professor tone is really unaceptable to me.
You are totally wrong in your perceptions as you do not know me,neither you know Frida.
I don't see Anni-Frid as a goddess ,she is a genuine human being ,who happens to have a unique talent and is an exceptionnal beauty.
I was just fed up with those constantly recurring comments/projections of Frida being jealous...of Agnetha in the first place, thus my first message.....Needless to say that similar comments of Agnetha being jealous of Frida would irritate me the same.fortunately hey seldom appear.
"
Carribean is Offended! And he quickly responds to make sure that everyone knows about it:
"This is the first and only topic about any jealousy between both women and so far things were totally in control.
I am not here as a teacher but as a fellow ABBA fan who responded to your comment. A comment that I think is a little over the top but then you make things personal as if *I* bash Frida, as if *I* say negative things about her all the time.
Fact is that I have never said anything negative about the lady. Feel free to go through my posts and point them out for me without being overly sensitive of course since criticism can be very healthy!
I thank you!
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/ftopic-3065
After Phil and Carribean's back and forth, it looked like the other ABBA fans wouldn't get a chance to join in the fun, but don't worry it looks like skip joined especially to have his/her say (
"first time here, first topic read, same old tripe written by the same person
i guess some things never change
when will frida's and agnetha's "fans" stop doing this?
probably never
a shame really - it just chases true fans of their music away"
Carribean encourages skip to give the forum another chance while bruser makes a cryptic (at least I can't make heads or tales of it) comment about the book BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS (WHY ARE WE TALKING IN ALL CAPS I WONDER?):
"It is a fact at the time of the break up of abba there was a lot of animosity within the group. Good friends would have met more than a few times in a year,and would have definitely sat together at mamamia. So i think some of you should read BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS by carl magnus palm, you may find why the girls don't get together now. cheers bruce."
(It's a new trend, TITLE IN CAPS author in lower case. HARRY POTTER by jk rowling, WAR AND PEACE by leo tolstoy...I'm sure there is a clever joke here, but I need more chocolate or something before I can think of it)
MMM brings the thread back on topic posting:
"What do I think? Let's see where do I start? Mit den Augen rollen Mit den Augen rollen First of all, I don't know if she is now or ever was - nor does anyone else except perhaps people who know her personally. Second of all, I don't care if she is now or ever was - it doesn't have any impact on my enjoyment of the music. Third, I wonder why you've "always been wondering" I mean, does it really make any difference to your enjoyment of the music? "
A few other members comment about how Frida and Agnetha were too awesome!super!amazing to ever be jealous of anything much less each other! *smiles until it hurts* and then skip comes back to clarify his earlier post:
Allow me to [SNIP] for your reading ease
"
actually, i wasn't referring to the topic at all
it's a fair question - was frida jealous of agnetha
i get frustrated when others come along and elevate frida or agnetha
[SNIP]
bruser said
It is a fact at the time of the break up of abba there was a lot of animosity within the group. Good friends would have met more than a few times in a year,and would have definitely sat together at mamamia. So i think some of you should read BRIGHT LIGHTS DARK SHADOWS by carl magnus palm, you may find why the girls don't get together now. cheers bruce.
bruser i read that book cover to cover and don't understand what you are trying to say
maybe i read the text instead of what i thought was written between the lines
do you have any quotes from the book to back up your statement"
Here lovefridax shares their thoughts
"Yes, in Holland Agnetha was the most popular one at that time. ~There were polls in the popmagazines and every time Agnetha was voted as the popular one.[...]it was a poll of the most popular female singer of 1979. Agnetha was nr.1, Frida nr.8.(de hitkrant) And yes ,he was most of the time on the covers of the popmagazines. Frida had her own group of fans"
lovefridax however does not want to share the love (
"Lemmon,
Your comments stating some facts about an unimportant poll, just serve to inflame the A vs F debates.
Did this poll achieve anything, do you think Agnetha walked around with a badge saying "Im no1 in Holland", no, just a poll that means nothing. It was probably voted for by girls who wanted to look like Agnetha and boys that fancied her. Big deal.
On another day, another month or another year Frida may have topped that poll. But somehow i dont think youll accept that fact.
Does it make you feel better to think your idol is more popular than another. Im curious to know what you get out of it.
Because what makes me feel better is that both girls are appreciated for their talents and not insulted, because some ignorant happens to prefer their colleague more.
Oh and i wasnt calling you an ignorant, but refering to the idiots out there who feel a need to do this. "
Carribean agrees with lovefridax:
"And Lemmon: please get over it! Some polls in one magazine does not make Agnetha the queen..."
lovefridax makes a rather ironic comment considering their username:
"...Some of the comments are disgusting and downright offensive, and these people should not be tolerated in the Abba community.
There are certain people on here, who dont openly write comments like that on here, but you can get a sense of their feelings, by other things they write. And when you see their name in a reply to a topic, you can pretty much guess their response."
Then Phil sweeps in to let Marielon know that all is well because:
"I have seen your profile and i realise that you are young ...and maybe unknowing of the recurring attacks/insinuations Frida has endured since Abba became famous ,33 years ago..."
and procedes to become long winded, but it includes this beautiful gem:
"This kind of jealousy rumours/projections you started to talk about on this thread lead to negative thinking and we have to be careful with it. "
OHNOES! teh negative thoughts!
lemmon and lovefridax debate the worthiness of the magazine poll from the seventies and then the wank petters out with the arrival of the forum admin johnny59. Sadness.
Sorry for the tl;dr, wish I could post links to the actual comments for your viewing pleasure.
ETA: Now with pictures! So everyone can pick their favorite! (Yes, Alex, I'll take Bennybjörn for 500...)
ETA2: I just thought to check the profile of the OP, and they're under age, so I'm going to edit out my quotes of their posts. Everyone else middle aged and much wankier than the OP was anyway. (Mods let me know if you want me to delete the entire post, and I will do so in the morning, but I'm falling asleep at the computer at the moment.)
ETA2: For the sake of comparison Frida's ass
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