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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-08-28 23:16:00


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Entry tags:fandom: for better or for worse

This one's a little old now, but still gradually racking up comments.

For those who don't know, For Better or For Worse is a comic that's been going on since the seventies, and which a lot of people have grown up with. The story's been running down for the last couple of years since its creator was planning on ending it when he contract runs out next month (she's now changed the plan to freezing the characters in time, when in the past it's always been one of the few newspaper strips that weren't). Many people have been unsatisfied by what's been happening in the strip since she started trying to tie up loose ends, especially with the plot around Elizabeth Patterson, who has in the past year given up the life she'd been building on her own to move back into her parent's home and be shoved into a relationship with a man that a lot of readers hate.

Eric Burns from Websnark has a suggestion for how to deal with the dissatisfaction people have been feeling. That suggestion being that once FOOB is time-frozen webcartoonists should continue the strip, fixing what went wrong. Just make sure to change the character names first.

At first everyone who comments likes the idea, but since that blog is read by a lot of cartoonists you can imagine that it's only a matter of time before someone shows up who doesn't like the thought of using somebody else's creation. Then we get into the arguing about things like the merits of fanfiction, whether this is a display of fannish entitlement or not (something that Eric has looked down on before), and whether lawyers can be wrong or not.

William G., one of the people most against Eric's idea, goes on to make his own post on the subject, and then another in response to an article at Comixtalk about it that's still getting comments. Then over at Damn Good Comics there's yet more discussion.




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(Anonymous)
2007-08-29 07:39 am UTC (link)
woo! FOOB = FUBAR.

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[info]brigid31
2007-08-29 07:41 am UTC (link)
So I read FBOFW and I hate Anthony for many reasons but once I stop reading the strip it pretty much leaves my system. And now I discover that people write fanfiction? And actually care enough to start rewriting the strip? That is crazy.

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[info]saralogan
2007-08-29 07:56 am UTC (link)
First multicolored hermaphrodite sperm wank, then ABBA wank, and now Sunday funnies wank?

WEIRDEST WANK WEEK EVER!

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omg don't kill me - [info]puipui, 2007-08-29 01:37 pm UTC
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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-08-29 08:00 am UTC (link)
I've read the strips for about a year (newspaper), and they were by far the most boring ones on the double-page. Why people get worked up on this is beyond my imagination.

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[info]pandonkey
2007-08-29 08:10 am UTC (link)
That anti-Anthony rant is brilliant.

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[info]littlest_lurker
2007-08-29 08:22 am UTC (link)
From somewhere in the Websnark link:

You really can't remake the events to your liking. At the best, you can make stuff like some of the anime fanfics I've seen (and written) for a private mailing list. At worst, it's hentai stuff, with a naked April sandwiched between Gerald and some other kid from school.

Please tell me there isn't actually FBoFW smut out there. Please not even if it involves the Whoooo! guy.

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[info]freezer
2007-08-29 08:28 am UTC (link)
And yet, Funky Cancercancer manages to avoid this kind of hatred...

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[info]syncopation
2007-08-29 08:44 am UTC (link)
Silly people. I didn't like where the Elizabeth arc was going, too, so you know what I did? I stopped reading.

Easy sauce. But people still decide to be dumb.

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[info]danceswithelvis
2007-08-29 09:12 am UTC (link)
Wow...

I'd stopped reading this strip ages ago when they started offending me with their boring ass moralistic nonsense.

And I'm off again into my (legal)drug induced haze. :) 3 cheers for wisdom teeth from hell :(

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-29 09:38 am UTC (link)
I admit I don't read the funnies at all (don't get a newspaper) but I started reading the strip again when the BURNSAUCE satire on Shortpacked brought it back to my attention ( http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070711.html ). I never really cared about Whatshisbutt one way or another. Except then I was reading the strip where Whatshername summarises Whatshisbutt's relationship to Whatshiswife and I noticed that basically Whatshiswife was talked into having a child she didn't want, after which she suffered postpartum depression and had no choice but to bolt from Whatshisbutt and Whatstheirspawn.

I'm kind of rooting for Whatshiswife to get as far away from all of them as she possibly can. Can someone write a webcomic about her?

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[info]blackjackrocket
2007-08-29 09:40 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who remembers a half-heavy-handed attempt to pair Liz up with a guy named Mr. Wright? Elly made a comment about Liz finding "Mr Right" and it did a zoom in on the door to reveal that the guy she was talking to was named Wright.

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[info]puipui
2007-08-29 10:03 am UTC (link)
Good lord, after hearing so much about him, I think I hate Granthony, and I don't even know what he looks like!

Yes, I got distracted. Shaenon writes a good post, there. Very nice.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-08-29 10:12 am UTC (link)
I stopped reading the strip when Elly started getting crazy.

So what like... years ago now?

I guess making fanfics for FBOFW is no crazier than fanfic that's out there for a lot of things. Although I do anticipate a lot of hilarious wankage on the part of the creator, HOW DARE YOU REWRITE MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE TO SUIT YOU! ONLY I'M ALLOWED TO DO THAT!! and so such.

*gets caramel popcorn*

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[info]scarah2
2007-08-29 10:17 am UTC (link)
There are fans of this?

Dude, where's the Hagar ship wank.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-08-29 10:25 am UTC (link)
Also, You're just jealous!

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[info]ruuger
2007-08-29 12:04 pm UTC (link)
I've never read more than few strips of FBOFW, but I have to share today's Pearls Before Swine strip.

(a bit of explanation here and here for those who don't follow the comic)

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[info]hypercubed
2007-08-29 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Is there Family Circus wank too?

Because that would make my day.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-08-29 04:58 pm UTC

[info]seiberwing
2007-08-29 05:14 pm UTC (link)
I should have been clearer: I cite The Argonautica as the first crossover. The first fanfiction still extant? Does anyone believe that Homer invented the characters and overall plot of The Iliad? He must have been at a mythology con, all those bards sitting around in their pointed Pan ears, and said to his pals, "You know, I oughta write the definitive Achilles/Patroclus slash."

I'm liking this idea.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-29 06:59 pm UTC
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*sigh*
(Anonymous)
2007-08-29 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I used to read this strip because I liked it. Nowadays, I read it for the trainwreck. That's not a good thing, is it?

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-29 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Mark Tutulli did a pretty good pisstake (http://joshreads.com/images/07/03/i070325lio.jpg) in his Lio comic. (Not as vicious as Shortpacked's, but then he's in syndication.)

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[info]ladysphinx
2007-08-29 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Isn't this the woman who, when trying to decide whether or not to have a RL child, chose instead to give the family in her strip a new daughter instead?

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[info]hallidae
2007-08-29 07:57 pm UTC (link)
You know, one of my books on Sandman had Jill Thompson pointing out FBoFW as a good example of change within comics. Offhandedly, I kinda wonder what she'd think of the current storyline.

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(no subject) - [info]xellos, 2007-08-29 08:14 pm UTC
Note to Self After Reading Comment Thread
[info]frequentmouse
2007-08-29 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Remember to go delete the comment spam before it breeds.

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[info]karmyn75
2007-08-29 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Last week's strips detailing how much of a bitch Granthony's ex wife was just irritated me so very much.
The characters may age, but they never grow.

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-29 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Image

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