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Windex Junkie ([info]windex_junkie) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-09-02 23:30:00


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Entry tags:authors, internet pirates, sci-fi people like to fight

SFWA Wank.
It was necessary to crush the pixel-stained
technopeasants* in order to save them.

Or:

The SFWA embarrasses itself. Again.



The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writer's Association has a serious hate-on for e-books and a disturbing fascination for DRM. (And weirder anti-piracy measures, such as the Shades of Grey thang.)

They don't so much embrace technology as try to be the RIAA for the cover-painting-by-Michael-Whelan set.

Summary from the Nielsen-Haydens' blog : SFWA raided a site called Scribd (it's basically Flickr for text), and sent a cease-and-desist for a whole passel of files.

Among said files are reviews, a reading list for high school kids, a novel released under a Creative Commons license, and back issues of a magazine that'd been uploaded for promotional purposes.

The list of files marked for deletion.

Note the sig: Vader said, "Luke, I am your feather." Bothered by typos? Avoid pirated ebooks.

It's not just a job for Dr. Andrew Burt; it's a lifestyle. (But if I were him, I would've gone with DO NOT WANT!!! instead.)

ETA From [info]puipui: Nick Mamatas mocks the second take-down email to Scribd.

In other news, I just got a tin deputy badge from a box of Crackerjacks and will be placing some parking tickets I just printed out on my home computer on the windshields of cars on my block. If anyone receiving the ticket asks, yes I am authorized to hand out these tickets and they are real tickets, the fines from which I will collect. If these real tickets get me into trouble, then they are not real tickets and anyone suckered by them is to blame for his own foolishness.

Ars Technica weighs in: Worse than Vogon poetry.

[...] it quickly became apparent that the USS 1701-SFWA had a crack in its dilithium crystals.

Cory Doctorow ain't happy, either.

Indeed, I have told Vice President Burt on multiple occasions that he may not represent me as a rightsholder in negotiations with Amazon, and other electronic publishing venues.

Hi kids; I got served a C&D over summer break.

Thanks to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, I now have a terrific “teachable moment” when I start school on Tuesday. When my students ask me what I did on my summer vacation I can tell them I was accused of violating copyright and learned all about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the SFWA and counter-notifications.

From the magazine folks: We received a notification that one of our issues had been taken down because ‘because the copyright owner contacted us and asked us to.’ That statement was of great interest to us, because we hold the copyrights for these issues at the magazine.

Lawrence Watt-Evans is not pleased with Cory or SFWA. (Afaik... I'm assuming this is him, from a brief Googling.)

Andrew Burt is chairman of what used to be called the E-Piracy
Committee. I believe it's been renamed, but still has the same
function. At least in theory, they don't act except when asked to by
a member whose rights have been infringed, but if anyone in SFWA is
going to do anything in such cases, it's Burt's job.

And as someone else already pointed out, it was Howard Hendrix who
came up with the phrase "pixel-stained technopeasant," not Burt.

Cory Doctorow has been known to say things about SFWA's
anti-infringement activities that are demonstrably false, so while
there's probably a basis in fact here, I wouldn't put too much faith
in what he says.

I wouldn't believe Burt, either.

There are several reasons I quit SFWA. Cory Doctorow and Andrew Burt
are two of the minor ones.


The president of the SFWA (one Michael Capobianco, not the Andrew Burt dude) makes some statements here and officially, there.

Scribd's response to their response.

ETA Like maddened ferrets in a wet burlap sack

Speaking of Scalzi, the Whatever is back and he's putting in his two bits.

[...] believe me when I say a great number of us groaned and wondered why it is SFWA, which is often very positively helpful to writers, has to kick itself in its own balls as often as it does.

Distressing lack of wank in the post itself from the man who ran against the current SFWA prez, but it should get started once the blog's readers wake up.

ETA From [info]limyaael: The SFWA ditches its e-piracy arm.

(* Correction: "Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretches")




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[info]sticks
2007-09-03 07:55 am UTC (link)
"Luke, I am your feather."

Where can I get this ebook?

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[info]brennalarose
2007-09-03 07:56 am UTC (link)
Someone give these boys a clue-boot to the head.

Seriously, back in the Golden Age of Science Fiction, they would have wet themselves over this sort of publicity!

Get the sticks out of their asses, quick! The bug and hare up there are getting riled up!

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[info]xero_sky
2007-09-03 07:58 am UTC (link)
In order to assist you and your counsel, we have posted each of the cases cited herein, in its entirety, to Scribd.com, where you can search for them by name.

EFF attorney for the win!

*fangirls*

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[info]delarina
2007-09-03 08:02 am UTC (link)
Okay. I have no idea what's going on here; all I want to say is, cliche though it will soon undoubtedly be, "pixel-stained technopeasants" is my new favorite phrase ever, in the world. It is my new loving insult du jour for those friends of mine who think they are thuper-techno-savvy but in reality are just nerds.

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(no subject) - [info]demonbean, 2007-09-03 11:46 pm UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2007-09-03 08:08 am UTC (link)
This (from the boingboing thread) is my favorite comment in the whole verbal landslide:

#160 posted by Scalzi , September 2, 2007 7:15 PM:
Theodore Tso:

I suspect that if people saw the posts in SWFA's private forum, it would make it much easier for people to appreciate that the SWFA is not the Borg, and that there are a wide range of opinions and disagreements within the organization.

I suspect that if people saw the posts in SFWA's private forum, they would come to the conclusion that no science fiction writer sits down to comment there without first pouring a frosty 96-ounce Big Gulp cup full of equal measures of Jim Beam and Red Bull.

You wouldn't come away thinking we were the Borg, to be sure. But what you would come away thinking we were, wouldn't be any better.

Best left unseen.


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What's that, Lassie?
[info]oxymoron
2007-09-03 08:22 am UTC (link)
A teal deer is stuck in the well? Kill it kill it!

So what would the SFWA be if they weren't paranoid and didn't overreact constantly? Isn't that a prerequisite for sci-fi/fantasy folk?

*makes sweeping generalizations*

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The aspiring fantasy writer says: - [info]ghostmaster, 2007-09-04 04:08 am UTC
Re: The aspiring fantasy writer says: - [info]auralan, 2007-09-04 05:26 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-09-03 08:46 am UTC (link)
How do the SFWA keep hitting my embarrassment squick so hard? They're like an entire organization of George Costanzas. And what's with their being so consistently internets stupid? Like a cookbook author who only eats Spam. Or a gay gynecologist. Or something. And why can't I stop reading their acronym as Single White Females? The letters aren't even in the right order for that. The whole thing hurts my head.

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[info]risha
2007-09-03 09:07 am UTC (link)
I'm still stuck on the whole bizarre Shades of Gray thing. I'm trying to find something funny to say about it, but... IT'S JUST TOO WEIRD.

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[info]dejana
2007-09-03 09:23 am UTC (link)
What bothers me most about all this is that Scribd was so willing to remove documents on the word of a "copyright owner" that did not actually own the copyrights. Heck with the SFWA's stupidity - Scribd immediately did everything they asked without verifying the copyright claims? That's very unsettling.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-03 09:31 am UTC (link)
Isn't it deeply ironic that SCIENCE FICTION writers are resisting new technologies?

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-09-03 09:48 am UTC (link)
But then something weird happened. We received a notification that one of our issues had been taken down because ‘because the copyright owner contacted us and asked us to.’ That statement was of great interest to us, because we hold the copyrights for these issues at the magazine. Puzzled, we queried Jason Bentley, Director of Community Development at Scribd. What unfolded next was a flat-out surprise.

...

I understand that the next step is to wait for ten days while the DMCA wheels churn. If we are successful, our issue in question will be reinstated at Scribd.


I have no in-depth understanding of the DMCA, but shouldn't Phywriter.com be able to contact Scribd and say "We are the copyright holders, the SFWA doesn't represent us, so forget the whole 'safe-harbor' thing, put it back up right now"?

Hmmmm, a hypothetical situation that probably will never happen, but would be hilarious if it did: a copyright holder signs up with one of those those "hunt-and-issue-DMCA-notices" companies, discovers that the company is a fly-by-night scheme operated by scuzz-balls, denounces them and and fires the company... except that s/he discovers that the contract has fine print saying that the company is their perpetual DMCA representative. The company retaliates by issuing a DMCA take-down notice for the copyright holder's own website, and it can't go back up because, hey, the scuzz-ball company is the authorized representative for the copyright holder.

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(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2007-09-03 10:17 am UTC
My thoughts of DMCA, let me show you them - [info]souris, 2007-09-03 03:25 pm UTC

[info]urpletastic
2007-09-03 10:05 am UTC (link)
Andrew Burt is the name of a charming and personable British actor who played Fitzroy in 'The Voyage of the Beagle' and Stanislaus Oates in 'Campion', among others.

It breaks my heart to know that there is some smeg-head out there, who accidentally happens to have the same name, making a public exhibition of himself and dragging a perfectly good name into disrepute.

It's okay, Andy, we know it's not you - and some of us still love you!

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Reposted 'cause I fail at closing tags!
[info]puipui
2007-09-03 10:28 am UTC (link)
Oh, this wank is BEAUTIFUL! I love it! Because there is nothing so lovely as a really well-written righteous smackdown by a very pissed off person who makes their living via the printed word, and this wank is FULL of them! It's almost like the SFWA did it on purpose as some sort of bizarre creative writing prompt. Oh, those nutty little morons are going to get so sued!

I especially like how Michael Capobianco is apparently going around making the same exact statement everywhere, in the exact same words, but trying to act like he's personalizing it for each post, as if nobody will ever see his other posts and compare. I'd suggest that next time he try putting it in one place and just linking to it, but I'm not entirely sure he's smart enough to manage a link.

Someone should throw a DMCA takedown notice at Andrew Burt for his sig. Do you have George Lucas's permission for that, Mr. Burt? Good thing he didn't mention Asimov or he would've had to legally threaten himself.

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Re: Reposted 'cause I fail at closing tags! - [info]notjo, 2007-09-03 01:41 pm UTC
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Re: Reposted 'cause I fail at closing tags! - [info]littlebitca, 2007-09-04 02:44 am UTC

[info]smashingstars
2007-09-03 11:02 am UTC (link)
You know what's awesome about this wank? I'd read so much about it that most links in the post were the visited color. For once, I'm not a complete wanknoob.

Great summary by the way. Oh, SFWA, when will you learn?

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[info]deliciouschaos
2007-09-03 11:03 am UTC (link)
I think I'm in love with Scribd.

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[info]daringu
2007-09-03 11:28 am UTC (link)
My favorite is how the legal letter boils down to: "Did you just NOT READ the law?"

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2007-09-03 02:41 pm UTC

[info]cjk
2007-09-03 01:03 pm UTC (link)
Meh, and I was always so fond of SFWA for Writers Beware, but after the (many) recent politics/election idiocies they had and now this...

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[info]ashenmote
2007-09-03 02:16 pm UTC (link)
This is good fun.

Obi Wan swiftly moved his hand. "These are not the copyright holders you are looking for...who are looking for you...whatever." Bothered by the SFWA? Shoot internet lawyers.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-03 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Honourable mention goes to Lance Weber in this thread (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009334.html):

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the SFWA's foot tapping and gestures under the stall were clearly mis-interpreted by Scribd as DMCA advances.

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(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2007-09-03 06:20 pm UTC

[info]onaga
2007-09-03 04:31 pm UTC (link)
If SFWA won't help its members control their work, then on one level it's not much else than a social club for science fiction writers. That's what LiveJournal is for.

Oh, SCALZI. ♥!

Speaking of which, the whole thing reminds me of the first Strikethrough - everybody rallied to the cause of the fandom/literary/survivors' journals that were suspended, but weren't there also a huge number of actually ToS-breaking creeps suspended as well?

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(no subject) - [info]daylyn, 2007-09-04 09:57 am UTC
The teal deer frolick in the woodlands of my mind. - [info]windex_junkie, 2007-09-04 11:35 am UTC
Re: The teal deer frolick in the woodlands of my mind. - [info]spearcarrier, 2007-09-05 09:19 pm UTC
Re: The teal deer frolick in the woodlands of my mind. - [info]windex_junkie, 2007-09-06 02:05 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-09-03 05:00 pm UTC (link)
oh noes no one cares.

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[info]pyratejenni
2007-09-03 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm confused. Were they supposed to be targetting illegal PDFs of books, or legitimate ones? Because I can see where taking down the former would be a good thing (writer isn't getting royalties), but the latter?

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-09-03 05:24 pm UTC
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[info]apapazukamori
2007-09-03 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Looks like SFWA has been taking its anti-piracy enforcement lessons from Six Apart.

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(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2007-09-03 05:27 pm UTC

[info]wrenlet
2007-09-03 05:20 pm UTC (link)
My favorite comment so far is by (no surprise here) Teresa Nielsen Hayden:

6. Rule of thumb: given a range of possible explanations for some action on SFWA's part, pick the one that assumes the organization is in a state of chaos and is having a flamewar about it.

Also, the full term used by former SFWA VP Dr. Hendrix is "pixel-stained technopeasant wretch." I think that last bit adds a little something special, don't you? :D

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-09-03 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Next, the SWFA will take on the greatest source of piracy known to man: the public library. I can't wait!

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Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2007-09-03 06:39 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-09-03 06:53 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2007-09-03 07:00 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-09-04 02:53 am UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]youngcurmudgeon, 2007-09-04 11:20 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]chester_w, 2007-09-05 03:48 am UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]nekoneko, 2007-09-04 04:00 am UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]brown_betty, 2007-09-04 06:57 am UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]narcissam, 2007-09-04 08:17 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-09-04 09:21 pm UTC
Re: Fear not! That's been done already! - [info]nekoneko, 2007-09-04 11:26 pm UTC
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