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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-09-06 13:23:00


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Entry tags:fandom: last blood, not good with criticism, webcomics

On page 1066 of the bighuge RPG.net image thread, a comic page is posted that mocks what is, in the words of Ciaphas Cane, "a really shitty webcomic".

Through the magic of interwebs, the author Bobby Crosby shows up and takes offense.



LOL. First, I have no clue what modern powergaming sensibilities are. Second, "Last Blood" uses almost zero cliches and goes against almost all traditions while creating lots of new ones, like a totally new origin for zombies that ties them together with vampires. It's the most original zombie or vampire story that I've ever heard of. I'm guessing you're someone that I banned from the comments. I agree that it's a shitty comic, though -- could be a million times better.

I'm quite confused by that rip-off image.


Ciaphas Cain engages the intruder!

The cliches are more of the modern Ann Rice variety, and where the powergaming comes from... well, allow me to explain good sir!

1.) Vampires don't appear to be, well, vampires. They're superheroes (or super anti-heroes, whatever) that happen to drink blood. Aside from that they only seem to be vulnerable to stakes. They are otherwise indistinguishable from humans and, indeed, seem to enjoy everything mortals do with the added bonus of insane superpowers.
2.) Vampires with katanas. Vampires and katanas and Hitler.
3.) Unstoppable zombie horde that appears in the space of around about 3 days, whittling 6 billion humans down to what, 300 including Mexico? That's ridiculous. Maybe if you'd trapped all of humanity in one giant box, but c'mon.
4.) Vampire sluts, yay!
5.) There appears to be pretty much no drawback to becoming a zombie when you're a vampire unless you don't like painful transformations, given that you get all your vampiric powers and sentience back eventually and can now control an army of zombies which can wipe out the world's population of humans in less than a week. And best of all, you wouldn't depend on blood anymore!

And now to get away from the more cliche stuff and powergaming-style nonsense, we just delve into the uniquely bizarre:

In the space of one evening, our human female lead goes from being so distressed by the existence of vampires that she throws up all over the place, works up a homicidal rage, then suddenly just accepts them, goes back to teaching class and by evening wants to jump the male vampire lead's bones. Well, I hope she brushed her teeth first.


Bobby claims that no, his comic is not cliche! Also he's never heard of this "Blade" or read any other zombie/vampire books and he doesn't know what a katana is, so he must not be cliche at all. Also he hates it, even though "it's already being published and quite successfully, and I'm about to option the film rights for a large sum of money."

(Note: You'll need an RPG account to see the specific forum containing the first thread, where the few pages of wank are interspersed with random images, but it's not essential to seeing the forum for the second and larger wanky thread.)


He and Bobby go back and forth for three or so pages attempting to disprove each others' points until the wank merits its own thread. Bobby continues to be amazing.


Please tell me of a more original zombie or vampire story. I've never once said that it has no cliches, as you lied about. Of course it has cliches. Everything has cliches. But it has the least amount of cliches of any zombie or vampire story that I've ever heard of. ---Despite the fact that he's admitted to being exposed to very little of either genre. This is assuaged by his claims that since he's never been exposed to the material, he can't be using the cliches.

Well, it's the most popular horror comic online and it's had well over 100,000 pageviews today and I'm about to sell it to Hollywood, so yeah, that was my problem and it didn't work out well.

----

Wow, do I? Did I give you that impression when I said that I HATE the comic? Or was it when I said there's no reason to care about any of the characters? JEEZ, have you read anything that I've said at all? My whole f*cking point is that it's insane for someone's main criticism about it to be that it's cliche, since it's the least cliche zombie story I've ever heard of and it actually has original elements to it, unlike almost ALL other zombie stories. Don't know how many times I have to say this.--And yet...he's in here defending it.

---

Did you skip the part where I said that of course it has tons of cliches? Just because something has the LEAST amount of something doesn't mean it has NONE of something. My point is that almost all zombie stores are INSANELY unoriginal and mine is simply the least unoriginal one I've ever heard of -- and I've heard literally hundreds of people tell me the same thing, that it's the most original zombie story they've ever heard of.--The lurkers support him in email!

And the grandest of all:

I'm not contradicting myself in any conceivable way.



Then Bobby got banned for a month and the thread degenerates into random banter.

EDIT: Apparently this is neither his first first nor second wank offense.

SECOND EDIT: And now he's wanking on GAFF.




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[info]chikane
2007-09-06 09:13 pm UTC (link)

Well, it's the most popular horror comic online and it's had well over 100,000 pageviews today and I'm about to sell it to Hollywood, so yeah, that was my problem and it didn't work out well.


Because being popular sure means you're writing Shakespeare.

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Next up in the wank
[info]ghostmaster
2007-09-06 09:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm not contradicting myself in any conceivable way.

I don't even know what a contradiction is, so I can't be contradicting myself.

I never said I wasn't contradicting myself. Of course, I was, but only a little a bit.

Look, I didn't say there weren't a ton of contradictions in my argument, but...but...YOU'RE A POOPY HEAD!!!

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Re: Next up in the wank - [info]brennalarose, 2007-09-07 02:18 am UTC

[info]dreamer_marie
2007-09-06 09:17 pm UTC (link)
First, I have no clue what modern powergaming sensibilities are.
Me neither. Maybe we should start a club.

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[info]alleyprowler
2007-09-06 09:19 pm UTC (link)
All the "I'm so totally original! No one has ever though of my original ideas before because they are so original! In short: ORIGINAL, DAMMIT!" blathering is making me embarrassed for this person, whoever he is.

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[info]ara
2007-09-06 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Wait, what the hell is this comic called?

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[info]anarchicq
2007-09-06 09:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh no, Bobby, don't be a wanker! I love your comic!

*Sad!*

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[info]onaga
2007-09-06 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Vampires and katanas and Hitler

Oh my!

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XD - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-09-07 12:35 am UTC
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[info]vuirneen
2007-09-06 09:43 pm UTC (link)
And tell me of another story where vampires protect the last surviving humans from zombies so they can live off their blood (I've recently been told of a book with a similar concept, but very different overall).

Hah! He's hilarious. Also he needs to be told because he's not read much vampire/zombie fiction. Fill out his reading list for the sequel!

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[info]sithwitch13
2007-09-06 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Aw man, I got confused for a second and thought you were talking about the real Ciaphas Cain (okay, not so real because he's a fictional character) and was wondering where the hell in those books the 597th had to fight shitty webcomics.

Cain would so win, too. He has a fucking sword that is also a chainsaw. Sometimes I really love the Warhammer universe.

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[info]scarah2
2007-09-06 10:02 pm UTC (link)
[info]seiberwing, this is a thing of beauty. I'm afraid to finish reading the thread because I just never want it to end.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-09-07 12:22 am UTC
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[info]xellos
2007-09-06 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Ah, Bobby Crosby.

Bobby Crosby is pretty much completely batshit insane, although he can occasionally produce something that's actually pretty good (I think his comic Marry Me is cute). He is pathologically incapable of taking criticism (as demonstrated in this lovely exchange) and will (again, as demonstrated here) seek it out and engage it wherever it may lurk. He is, from everything I've ever seen, an astonishingly insecure person.

But this, while amusing, is inferior to other Bobby Crosby wank I've seen in the past - try getting him and Scott Kurtz in the same place at the same time and watch the resulting explosions. They once went at each other for, I dunno, a good 50 pages in a Keenspot forum thread. Too bad that was years ago, it was comedy gold.

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My thoughts, let me show you them - [info]tofuknight, 2007-09-08 08:03 pm UTC
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dementedjen
2007-09-06 10:43 pm UTC (link)
*sigh*. dammit. Way to make me sign up for another inane website I'll never visit again to snoop into other people's business.

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[info]ladypeyton
2007-09-06 10:58 pm UTC (link)
It can't be cliche' because I have no idea what *is* cliche' in the vampire genre!

*sporfle*

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(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2007-09-06 11:01 pm UTC

[info]kurozukin
2007-09-06 11:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Bobby Crosby is capable of not wanking. I'm reminded of this incredible forum thread from a while back, which starts out basically as a discussion of what's more important in writing -- the story or how the story is told. It really takes off when Crosby (posting as "+EV") declares in all seriousness that the Harry Potter series are the best books ever written, and he knows because he's read lots of books and nothing else even comes close, and the fact that they sell more copies than any other book on the planet is incontrovertible proof that they're well-written and has nothing at all to do with marketing, and anyone who says they're not well-written is obviously a complete idiot whose opinion is worthless, but no, he never said that people who didn't like Harry Potter are idiots, stop lying and saying that he did! It... goes on for quite a while.

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[info]xellos
2007-09-06 11:24 pm UTC (link)
I found it!

This incredible thread is the Holy Grail of Bobby Crosby wank. He is posting as "Pupkin". I described this thread in a comment thread above, but I figured I'd give this one its own thread so it won't get buried.

It's just amazing.

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[info]analenna
2007-09-06 11:43 pm UTC (link)
My point is that almost all zombie stores are INSANELY unoriginal and mine is simply the least unoriginal one I've ever heard of

Well, if that isn’t high praise, I don’t know what is.

I'm not contradicting myself in any conceivable way.

...Okay? But you’re definitely contradicting yourself in every unconceivable way.

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[info]kadath
2007-09-06 11:45 pm UTC (link)
After zombies take over the Earth, vampires must protect the last surviving humans so they can live off their blood.

That's the teaser? Dude. Weak. Weak. You have a mix-n-match post-apocalyptic setting with fuckin' battle vampires fighting off zombie hordes, and that is the best you can do?

Also, why is the vampire on the cover wearing a tailcoat over what looks to be jeans?

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[info]sorchar
2007-09-06 11:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm just bizarrely amused that I saw "page 1066" and thought of the battle of Hastings.

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[info]jezrana
2007-09-06 11:55 pm UTC (link)
...See, I can see where he's getting the "Nuh-UH, I haven't even seen/read these other stories so I CAN'T be using the same cliches they are!" rationalization from, because it reminds me a bit of me.

Thing is, it reminds me of me when I was twelve.

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(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2007-09-07 07:12 am UTC

[info]rosehiptea
2007-09-07 12:06 am UTC (link)
There's a movie based on Joust - you know, the early-80s arcade game about dueling ostriches - in the works, too, but that doesn't mean Joust had a great story to it.

Wow, I remember watching my boyfriend play that in the arcade.

(Occasionally he'd let me play, though I think only so he could laugh at how bad I was. Nearly put me off video games for life. But I digress even further...)

Not sure how the heck they could make a movie out of it but how bad can battle ostriches be? Well, pretty bad I guess.

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[info]merrygentry
2007-09-07 12:08 am UTC (link)
You know, I like Last Blood a lot, but it's not the most original thing out there, not by a long shot.

Also? Bobby is a total tool, even when he answers the comments on his site.

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[info]freezer
2007-09-07 12:08 am UTC (link)
A wank subject in which A) I'm actively involved and B) not one of the spotlight wankas! Yayz!

This must be a fresh page, though. I haven't checked the thread since last night.

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[info]danceswithelvis
2007-09-07 12:09 am UTC (link)
Okay, reading this wank and the fossilized wank provided by XellosI've come to the conclusion that he really doesn't understand the meaning of "LIARLIARLIAR!!!!1111!" the way he keeps using it. It's like he's 4 years old.

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-09-07 12:10 am UTC

[info]xero_sky
2007-09-07 01:47 am UTC (link)
Never seen any "Blade" movies, can't figure out what VtM stands for.

Vampire: The Masquerade. Again, if you're going to write in a genre it's helpful to be at least vaguely familiar with it.

Some motherfuckers always gotta ice-skate uphill, I guess.

I guess I can't ever write vampires, though, since I had no idea what VtM stood for either. Woe.

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[info]bobgenghiskhan
2007-09-07 02:30 am UTC (link)
He won't shut up. I read the necrothreads and it's the same thing- everything is personal, everything must be rebutted with nearly identical language, and he won't shut up. For the love of god, WHY WON'T HE SHUT UP?

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