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elainie ([info]elainie) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-09-16 15:09:00


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Entry tags:bannination, fandom: harry potter, jkr doesn't know harry potter like i do

A lesson from the master.
Over at the Loony Lions board, Arbor Vitae offers some much needed advice to all writers who would like to avoid having their works turn out like the Harry Potter series (because, you know, they are so unsuccessful).

1. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. If you have an outline all planned out for your series, don't do a last minute change just to please some of your readers. You'll be surprised how much it will throw off the rest of your series. Stick to your original plan. It's almost always the best one.

2. Your editor is your best friend. Listen to what they say. Even more, get an editor that you know will be very critical. The best editors and betas are the most brutal and critical ones. They will save your story from embarrassment.

Don't argue or ignore suggestions made to the story. The editor is like a reader telling you what will work and what will not work. Take them seriously.

3. Don't be a jerk to your fans. These people are spending money on you, taking time from their lives to dwell in the world you had created, and respecting you. Don't single them out or ridicule them, no matter what. Never try to force readers to see your view. Don't write something that was intended to lash out at some fans. It's rude and immature. Even fans who were not part of the bashing will lose respect for you.

4. Don't add fuel to the shipping fire. No matter what you think of them, shipping wars are not amusing. They are tiring and annoying to most fans. Some fans take it too far and hurt other fans, may they be fellow shippers or fans of another ship. Don't take sides. Never insult fans of a ship you don't intend to let happen in canon; they have every right to interrupt your text differently. Literature is not science fact.

Disarm any potential shipping wars as soon as possible. I personally have an answer prepared if I'm ever asked about ships in my series:

Quote:
The relationships between all of the characters have profound influence on them. Every character affects another character's life. I enjoy the interactions between all of them, and I understand people may like to pair off the characters romantically. I support all ships, but at the same time do understand only a very few of them will happen in the books. But, this does not mean that the romantic relationship is stronger than a non-romantic relationship. The hero's friends are all vital to her; she would never choose one over another. She may marry one of her friends, but it doesn't mean he's more important than her other friends.

Don't forget, these are YOUR characters fans are playing with. Don't give them any reason to feel that they have to bash or tear down another character or friendship just to hook up two characters in a fanfic.

5. Never create a character solely for the purpose of being a love interest. That character is guaranteed to be flat. Create characters first, and treat them as human beings. Humans were not born to be only someone's spouse; humans were all born with a mind, feelings, goals, and beliefs.

Here's a tip: work on the story, write some snippets, think of scenarios. Pay attention to how the characters interact with each other, and if there's any special chemistry between them. Most of my ships are coming from characters who just clicked together as I wrote the story.

6. Oh, and unless you series is about romance, don't discard everything and focus on shipping. Fans have fanon and fanfiction for shipping. They want plot and characters in your series. If your story is a genre other than romance, then stick with it. There has never been a series that succeeded after dropping everything and focusing only on who's snogging who.

7. Haste makes waste. Even if your series is one of the most popular things out there, don't let it control you. Don't let the fans pressure you into writing faster. Fans would rather have an excellent book that took many years to write rather than a crappy book that was hastily written.

If you get sick and tired of your series, take a break. Writing shouldn't be about getting everything out there to the public and shutting up shippers you don't like. Writing should be an enjoyment and a sense of achievement. Never lose sight of that.

8. People like to criticize everything out there, even the Bible. Don't think fans are going to love every single thing you write; don't argue against their criticisms. Not everyone is perfect; the best you can do is objectively read their criticisms and learn from your mistakes. You will become a better writer, guaranteed.

9. Keep your mouth shut. If you are uncertain if something will happen in a future book, then don't say anything. Fans might cling on to what you say and feel cheated if the thing doesn't happen. It's best to keep readers in the dark. Let them have no expectations when they get the new book. They will enjoy it more.

10. Don't hype your own series. Just don't. You are setting yourself up for a huge fall when the fans' high expectations come crashing down and they feel cheated.


http://alchemyhl.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=513

ETA: As it seems some folks are being banned at the L&L comm simply for clicking on the above link, here are some lovely screen caps via our lovely ovine, Sheep: (ovine means sheep, right? LOL)
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1110191.html?thread=162253999#t162253999




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[info]bloody_vixen
2007-09-16 10:32 pm UTC (link)
*squints*

Where's the wank?

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[info]xero_sky
2007-09-16 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Don't forget, these are YOUR characters fans are playing with. Don't give them any reason to feel that they have to bash or tear down another character or friendship just to hook up two characters in a fanfic.

Heh. Because fans won't do that sort of thing unless the writer forces them to. Possibly at gunpoint.

After following these rules, I doubt any author could publish anything, ever.

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[info]themadmermaid
2007-09-16 10:40 pm UTC (link)
I want to see Arbor Vitae's Curriculum Vitae before I decided whether they are qualified to dispense this advice.

Also, where is the wank?

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[info]twoiskewl
2007-09-16 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Okay!

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dracothelizard
2007-09-16 10:45 pm UTC (link)
This seems more like Fandom Lounge material at the most.

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[info]kylenne
2007-09-16 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Dude sounds reasonable enough and there is decent, non-crazy discussion going on. No wank there.

This, however, gave me D: face:

Using HP as an example - most fans were willing to forgive Hermione of setting Umbridge up to be (lets face it) gang-raped, though it is possible Hermione didn't realize that she was setting Umbridge up for a gang-raping. It is possible (however unlikely) that Hermione simply thought the Cents would just scare Umbridge. But either way some of us were willing to look past that because Umbridge was such an evil character.

Did I miss--wait, I know it's been a long time since I read OotP and most of it was a blur of SHUT UP, HARRY, but...WHAT?

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It was originally a musical, too - [info]arekuru, 2007-09-18 07:32 am UTC
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[info]iczer6
2007-09-16 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Some of the suggestions seem okay.

I agree with sticking with your original outline and not insulting the fans but I'm not sure about some of the others.

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[info]ashenmote
2007-09-16 10:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't know. It took some time to get used to it, but I personally liked how JK Rowling constantly broke her plot and the fourth wall on order to swear at certain portions of her readership. So what if her language was incredibly vulgar? It was new. It was different.

I for one enjoyed reading "Harry Potter and the Shippers I don't like".

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[info]exit_chrysalis
2007-09-16 11:12 pm UTC (link)
Never insult fans of a ship you don't intend to let happen in canon; they have every right to interrupt your text differently.

Uh, Freudian slip much?

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[info]chikane
2007-09-16 11:13 pm UTC (link)
How are these things tips to "avoid doing it like Rowling"? It's not as if Rowling did those things. Last that I checked, the only thing she personally did was #9, on petty details that really don't matter all that much.

I also like the "waah don't offend any shipper". It's not as if shipping is, in reality, all that important to most people. I wish she had offended more shippers, preferably every possible ship in existance, including Squid/Hogwarts. That'd be fun!

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[info]llama_treats
2007-09-16 11:26 pm UTC (link)
I think if you take the third letter of each paragraph, you get subliminally published.

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[info]analenna
2007-09-16 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Keep your mouth shut. If you are uncertain if something will happen in a future book, then don't say anything. Fans might cling on to what you say and feel cheated if the thing doesn't happen.

My Dumby was one-hundred and fifty,
And everything was nifty,
I have clung on what you said
Even after he was dead.
It mattered not he died,
My slashy Muse was heated,
And now you say you lied?
Oh God, I feel so cheated!



(sorry)

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[info]cork118
2007-09-16 11:41 pm UTC (link)
8. People like to criticize everything out there, even the Bible.

EVEN the BIBLE?! I for one am completely shocked and horrified at these allegations. Criticize the Bible? You lie, sir!

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[info]snapefluffer
2007-09-16 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I think simply setting oneself up as an advisor like this is inherently wanky, to say nothing of pompous in the extreme!

Beside, I thought JKR was kind of successful?

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[info]nevadafighter
2007-09-16 11:49 pm UTC (link)
I want to find this person, pull my glasses down to the end of my nose, arch my right eyebrow, and ask in my best Hermoine voice "And you are . . . ?"

Because this is really an awful lot of pretentious talk from someone I've never fucking heard of.

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-09-16 11:52 pm UTC (link)
OK, all that aside: what, this person can't keep a single thought in hir head long enough to see that point 5 is a contradiction of point 1 and seems to be written about an entirely different writing process?

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[info]tangentialone
2007-09-16 11:58 pm UTC (link)
Disarm any potential shipping wars as soon as possible. I personally have an answer prepared if I'm ever asked about ships in my series:

Is it wrong to hope that someone reads her stories and comes up with some horrible, stomach-turning, cracked-out ship and asks her about it in person?

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(no subject) - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2007-09-17 12:59 am UTC
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[info]shadowlass
2007-09-17 12:05 am UTC (link)
The hero's friends are all vital to her; she would never choose one over another. She may marry one of her friends, but it doesn't mean he's more important than her other friends.

That's the part I like. All friends are equal! Exactly equal! And marriage is not a sign that you particularly like someone at all!

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[info]blue_penguin
2007-09-17 12:05 am UTC (link)
4. Don't add fuel to the shipping fire. No matter what you think of them, shipping wars are not amusing.

Maybe not to you. Anyway, I've always wanted to bait my fans, should I ever somehow become a successful writer, by, for example, putting lots of subtext in and then denying that it's there. Or just flatly refusing to say anything and letting them fight it out. And making as few pairings as possible explicitly canon. This probably makes me a terrible person, but it would be so entertaining.

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[info]dez_chan
2007-09-17 12:29 am UTC (link)
Don't give them any reason to feel that they have to bash or tear down another character or friendship just to hook up two characters in a fanfic.

Ah, they need a reason for that now? When was that established, 'cause I might have been out sick that day.

I've seen "justifications" ranging from, "Character X isn't hot enough for Character Y" to "Character X reminds me of me, and I'd never fuck Character Y" to "I threw some names in a hat and decided to porn them together." There is no way to stop shipping. There is no way to stop people from playing with other characters like paper dolls. This is fandom; like it, lump it, or leave it...or make really long posts that say absolutely nothing like this one.

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(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-09-17 12:39 am UTC
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[info]soupspooks
2007-09-17 12:36 am UTC (link)
I actually object to "never ignore a suggestion by an editor/beta", mostly, because, well, they're not reading your mind. Their suggestion could simply be off from what you wanted. Sometimes I get a suggestion one way, and wind up rewriting the section slightly differently because the beta didn't interpret it correctly, and I figured that that, in and of itself, meant that it needed to be corrected.

Some of the suggestions are okay, but figure without simple human nature: people would interpret things the way they want, regardless.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-09-17 01:05 am UTC
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[info]xellos
2007-09-17 12:48 am UTC (link)
Don't add fuel to the shipping fire? But it's so FUN to confuse the readers mightily about who will end up with who!

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2007-09-17 12:57 am UTC
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[info]lady7jane
2007-09-17 01:01 am UTC (link)
This "Can JKR write or not?" debate is very troubling. I mean, on the one hand the books are quite boring, but on the other hand she made enough money off of them to buy the entire goddamn world. I wish the courts would decide on it already.

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[info]photosinensis
2007-09-17 01:03 am UTC (link)
Not seeing the wank. Perhaps you meant to post this in fandom_lounge instead.

Actually, it sounds like someone has a plan to avoid a potential fandom from becomming like the HP fandom, which has made so many people bitter, jaded freaks that hang out at places like this.

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-09-17 01:11 am UTC (link)
Stick to your original plan. It's almost always the best one.

I am George W. Bush, and I approve this message.

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