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Caito Potato ([info]caito) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-09-17 10:50:00


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Entry tags:anime/manga, fandom: naruto

From a mouse on [info]wank_report.

We have Bhree, a Naruto fan who's keen on the boysex. She is also keen on the getting doujinshi for free on the internets. And when a doujinshi artist, one Rauhreif (also keen on the boysex), complains that her work is being distributed without her permission, Bhree says:

... she thinks she deserves money for taking someone else's characters and making them have hot sex without the creator's permission. When I heard of this, I vowed that I would spread my seeds of discontent along with BB2, and hope that I can hear her wangsting all the way over here in the states. She's a great artist, but it's a shame she thinks the way she does.
Commenters to Bhree's post are, shall we say, most displeased with her. Apparently, Bhree has screwed "THE REST OF THE FUCING [sic] WORLD" by trying to make Rauhrief cry. How so?

Because, as a result of this post, Rauhrief decides to try and ban everyone in America and Europe from her website. As reported on the livejournal community [info]chuunin (comm is flocked, but anyone's allowed to join):
If this is Europe and America people's common view, I never permit the access from the foreign country.
I do not say, "Do not scan and upload" for money.
You do not understand circumstances of doujin in Japan.
You say "Let's make Rauhreif cry" by selfish reason though you do not understand circumstances of doujin in Japan.
Therefore, I also prohibit foreigner's accesses by selfish reason.
The poster on livejournal even courteously links folks to "THE ORIGINAL IDIOT POST" made by Bhree.

Comments on the [info]chuunin post waver between, "Stupid Bhreetard ruined it for all of us! How can people be so mean?" and, "wtf Rahreif overreaction much? Banning whole countries because someone uploaded your porn?"

With everyone all >:| and D: the whole thing is just o.O and that makes me ^__^
And I promise to never do that again anytime soon.
And I also just edited to fix some typos.



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Oh Engrish!
[info]bloody_vixen
2007-09-17 06:29 am UTC (link)
Therefore, I also prohibit foreigner's accesses by selfish reason.

What?

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Re: Oh Engrish! - [info]caito, 2007-09-17 06:31 am UTC

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[info]smo
2007-09-17 06:31 am UTC (link)
With everyone all >:| and D: the whole thing is just o.O and that makes me ^__^

I LOL'D!

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(no subject) - [info]squeakytoy, 2007-09-17 12:10 pm UTC

[info]guilty_as_sin
2007-09-17 06:33 am UTC (link)
and hope that I can hear her wangsting all the way over here in the states

Mission accomplished!

This is going to be another one of those wanks where everyone involved looks bad, isn't it?

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-09-18 04:11 am UTC

[info]chaimonkey
2007-09-17 06:33 am UTC (link)
Mmm, celebrity wankage. Extra tasty!

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[info]deconcentrate
2007-09-17 06:38 am UTC (link)
. . . oh damn, everyone in this wank's so stupid, I love it.

This just made my day.

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[info]tez
2007-09-17 06:40 am UTC (link)
Your use of smileys is utter win.

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[info]hypno_jango
2007-09-17 06:43 am UTC (link)
Okay, so YOU are the fucking asshole who did it; I see... SO you don't care if you SCREW THE REST OF THE FUCING WORLD.

Why don't you, you know, GET A FUCKING JOB AND BUY IT, like I and many others did, instead of jacking it off a website.

No, she deserves money for her ART. If she doesn't get money from it, she's not going to draw anymore and so, in hence, we're SCREWED allaround.

GO and die in a fire.


Wow, an instance of "GET A FUCKING JOB AND BUY IT" that's not in a fansub/scanalation wank.

This wank is great.

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(no subject) - [info]themadmermaid, 2007-09-17 12:38 pm UTC

[info]bigbigtruck
2007-09-17 06:47 am UTC (link)
I'll laugh as soon as I'm done facepalming.

Shouldn't be long now, but... oh god, internet, you are full of the aggressive stupid.

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[info]hallidae
2007-09-17 06:54 am UTC (link)
So is it Bhree, or Bree? 'Cause if it's the latter, I'm going to squirm in embarrassment squick over the fact we share names.

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[info]dawnswalker
2007-09-17 07:01 am UTC (link)
Things will get extra-wacky at Comiket, at which Rauhreif will demand to see the "papers" of each and every visitor to her booth.

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[info]iapetus
2007-09-17 07:05 am UTC (link)
Now I think I've had the "doujin rules" wrong FOREVER. I thought they were ok to use for icons and such because they were doujins and therefore purchased? It isn't like fanart that's posted on the intrawebs that follows that unofficial rule that I can never remember the name of that so many people break anyways.

I think a lot of this is me headscratching because I've never heard of a doujinka asking people to stop spreading their work through scans/icons/etc. This is probably why I didn't think it happened.

Anyone willing to enlighten me about doujin regulations in Japan? Are we allowed to scan and spread their stuff? Or is there some sort of "other" copyright that's there to protect them? (Or a third option that I know nothing of?)


On a more wank-related note, I don't remember the last time I saw a fan of some sort of fanart be so vicious to the artist. It's mind-boggling, really.

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2007-09-17 07:45 am UTC (link)
With everyone all >:| and D: the whole thing is just o.O and that makes me ^__^

Aww the faces, they are so adorable. :-)

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-09-17 07:54 am UTC (link)
That Engrish message makes me go so awwww. I want to grab a red pen and fix it, and finish up with a sparkly Tigger sticker on the side of the page and a message that says "Good job, but watch your articles!"

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[info]cork118
2007-09-17 08:10 am UTC (link)
When I heard of this, I vowed that I would spread my seeds of discontent

In a post about boysex, this made me laugh heartily.

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2007-09-18 08:06 am UTC

[info]windex_junkie
2007-09-17 08:36 am UTC (link)
Has this Bree person never fucking heard of mailing lists? AIM? Closed communities?

I'm trying to grok her thought process... "I like to masturbate to this person's comics, but she doesn't want them spread all over the web. I don't think I should have to pay for wank material. Therefore I can: (a) get them off BitTorrent or from networks of friends or in closed comms or from mailing lists, like a normal fucking y!girl, or (b) call out the artist whose works I like so much in a petty attempt to fuck with her, because I think should get her pr0n for free."

She's a great artist, but it's a shame she thinks the way she does.

...That she thinks she deserves some form of compensation for her work? Oh the horror--wait, no; she said it wasn't about the money but about the public uploads without permission.

How dare she!

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[info]herongale
2007-09-17 08:39 am UTC (link)
If only Metallica had withdrawn all of their CDs from US and European markets when they discovered the existence of file sharing. That would have shown us!

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-09-17 09:50 am UTC

[info]stupid_fangirl
2007-09-17 08:44 am UTC (link)
LOL, ignore all these other people! They're just bitter they might loose the same type of privilege of getting some shit online like you're giving everyone! And I bet none of these fuckers actually practice any of this holy shit they're preaching. I don't even like yaoi, I'm just finding this whole thing ridiculous for that very reason, bullshitters, all of them.

Go you!


Wow, I say wow.

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2007-09-18 08:09 am UTC

[info]arielchan
2007-09-17 09:16 am UTC (link)
My name is [info]arielchan and I approved this wank.

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*fetches some lube*
[info]kuromitsu
2007-09-17 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh, fuck this Bhree person.

The "circumstances of doujin in Japan" are, in fact, quite different than how most Western fans imagine them, and as camilla said above, there are reasons that doujin artists want to keep their works under control as much as they can. I hate it when people don't recognize doujinshi as fanworks, under the (false) assumption that the artists make a significant amount of money from drawing doujinshi. I hate it when people use "well, she put it on the 'net, it's free for taking!" or "she should be grateful we like her stuff!" as an excuse for taking and/or using Japanese artists' works without permission (especially when they go all "OMG DUN STEAL!!1" when someone does the same with their or their friends' works).

It's not the money, it's that stealing Japanese fanworks, including doujinshi, is the same as stealing any other fanwork. It goes against basic fandom ethics. Only most Japanese artists either never learn that people are doing this, or they can't take any necessary steps because they either don't speak English or feel intimidated by the English-language fandom. Most of the time the only way they feel they can stop people stealing their art is doing what Rauhreif did, and banning every foreigner from their site, or taking their site down (and maybe re-opening it somewhere else, under a new name, if they're not too disillusioned).

People may think that Rauhreif is overreacting, but it's perfectly understandable from her POV. Japanese fandom is different from the English-language fandom where you can flame someone face to face and no-one lifts an eyebrow. In my experience, most Japanese fanartists (and fan-authors) don't have particularly thick skins. Most of them are very surprised and happy to learn that people in foreign fandoms like their works, and finding that the representatives of foreign fandoms that they know have no regard of basic fandom courtesy and are okay with stealing fan-made artwork is pretty much like a blow to the gut, making them disappointed and wary. Sure, in this case, it may not be fair to ban whole continents because of one thief, but we can't really fault Rauhreif for thinking that this is how the English-language fandom generally operates, and not wanting to deal with it.

There, I'm done. *cleans up*

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Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]coffeebun, 2007-09-17 12:37 pm UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]aerobot, 2007-09-17 03:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2007-09-17 06:15 pm UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]herongale, 2007-09-17 10:39 pm UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]staroverthebay, 2007-09-17 11:44 pm UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]caito, 2007-09-18 01:46 am UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]staroverthebay, 2007-09-18 04:37 am UTC
Re: *fetches some lube* - [info]luna_hoshino, 2007-09-19 07:34 am UTC

[info]meritjubet
2007-09-17 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Fandom never forgives quickly over losing precious pr0n.

I see fanfic authors ask for their work not to be archived, its a similar position, only with more cultural imperative not have their work brought to attention like this.

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[info]staroverthebay
2007-09-17 08:26 pm UTC (link)
two words: holy SHIT.

two more words: Fandom, LOL.

I've never even heard of her. Wonder what pairing she draws. She must draw lots of SasuNaru, which everyone does, so that's probably why I've never heard of her.

Being that she's Japanese, she probably doesn't draw my OTP (which is apparently very unpopular in Japan, woe.)

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[info]rekall
2007-09-17 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Can't really blame this Rauhrief person. It's bad taste to taunt the doujinka when they tell you not to share their stuff.

Strangely enough I go back and forth from being able to access her site and not. Last night I could get her site to work, at around noon I couldn't (got the message that said Europe and America was blocked), and now it's working again. I'd post something about 'yay for Canada and having an IP that keeps changing!' but I'm not in the fandom so I don't care.

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[info]ara
2007-09-17 10:53 pm UTC (link)
FUCKING EPIC

Wait.. complains that her work is being distributed without her permission without permission? Or without getting paid? What's she angling for here? I'm confused now.

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redwarrior
2007-09-17 11:17 pm UTC (link)
...This wank needs more icon wank.

And that's all I got.

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[info]semtex
2007-09-18 01:53 am UTC (link)
I see, Bhreetard is a /y/tard. Go her. :/

" On the other hand, you /y/tards want art of your favorite charas for free, without supporting its production or apparently even respecting the artists. You want to talk entitled, whiny children - look in the mirror."

Looks like that commenter hit the nail right on the soft head.

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