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	ballseyboo 2007-09-28 12:26 am UTC (link)
	Oh my! So many teal deer and people who don't read any of the previous posts but come into the thread with fists swinging. (Reply to this)

	ereshkigal 2007-09-28 01:15 am UTC (link)
	And the guy who did all of that hasn't been banned from the game yet? That's...odd. (Reply to this)

	brennalarose 2007-09-28 02:04 am UTC (link)
	I wish I understood what the hell they were talking about. (Reply to this)

	meritjubet 2007-09-28 04:02 am UTC (link)
	So there is nothing wrong with stealing account information? Nice... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	papervolcano 2007-09-28 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	Unless it happens to them, presumably. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gynocrat 2007-09-28 04:03 am UTC (link)
	I love their ninja-names. Also, the HUGE ASS signature gardens on these forums. Everyone keeps saying 'pearl'. 0_0 (Reply to this)

	kylenne 2007-09-28 05:22 am UTC (link)
	You know, I finally get Bootcamp installed on my iMac, and I'm all psyched to go play FFXI because my girlfriend's been poking me about it and it seems like a far saner alternative to World of Wankcraft. Then I see stuff like this and get frightened. D: (Reply to this)(Thread)

demonbean
2007-09-28 05:45 am UTC (link)

As someone who has played both, WoW is far superior.

Yes, the graphics in FFXI are better. And it is more realistic. But your xp caps at 200 per kill, as does quest xp, and you can't find quest givers without keeping your web browser open in the background to tell you where they are, you lose xp when you die, boats only come ever 30 minutes, and it can literally take you 2 hours to get to an instance. That's BEFORE even beginning to run it.

My teal deer, let me show you it.

/shame

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	kijikun 2007-09-28 05:55 am UTC (link)
	That's why I love CoH having a good deal of the 'quests' take place in building that can only be accessed by the person given the mission. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kylenne 2007-09-28 05:56 am UTC (link)
	I don't care so much about the gameplay, more about the community. I'm a MUD'er who'll put up with an inordinate amount of BS mechanics if the people I play with are cool. I like offline Warcraft enough to think I'd probably enjoy the game itself, but good god do WoW people frighten me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	demonbean 2007-09-28 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Ah, yes. To be fair, most of the people I play with are friends in real life, too. Although I have, honestly, found that people can be very nice in general, as long as you are not on a PvP server. PvP is death to nice. I just solo a lot and talk in guild chat ^^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

usagivindaloo
2007-09-28 05:51 pm UTC (link)

I second

demonbean on that. I was on a PvP server with RL friends, and never a nastier, wankier bunch of inbred morons have I ever had the displeasure of playing with / being ganked by.

Then I transferred to a PvE server (Eldre'thalas, if you're interested) and it was like entering some bizarro WoW, where most of the people were kind, helpful, and even somewhat literate. Add to the mix the nicest guild in probably the entire game ~~*shameless plug for Invaders of the Pass*~~ and you had a really worthwhile gaming experience.

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	bangoskank 2007-09-28 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	nodnod If you're a former MUDder you might enjoy an RP server as well. A few of them actually have people who RP on them. I've got a little group of folks that I RP with regularly and it's great fun. (Reply to this)(Parent)

rekall
2007-09-28 06:12 am UTC (link)

I agree.

I was an FF nut ever since the SNES days and jumped aboard FFXI as soon as I could. But I just never had the fun experience that I expected.

I grew frustrated with the inability to find quests. I got pissed off that I would spend hours gaining xp and then lose it all as soon as I gained a level because I died. I didn't like being forced into a group to level up and since the only suitable place to get a group/level up was over in the dunes, that resulted in a "fun" dash through a higher level area trying to get to the town that the boat sailed out of to get over there (of which I spent the entire trip, huddled inside since I had heard horror stories of enemies attacking the boat). I hated that it would take hours to form a group, so you only got a few enemies killed before people started leaving. Etc, etc.

Because of FFXI I avoided WoW for a long time because I assumed it would be the same mess but I finally gave it a shot 6 months ago when I got a free 10-day-trail. Instant Love. I almost cried happy tears when I found out that I didn't lose xp when I died and when I realized how easy it was to travel around the world.

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sairobi
2007-09-28 06:32 am UTC (link)

... What "instance" takes 2 hours to get to in FFXI?

Some of the CoP battlefields that you have to trudge through capped areas, maaaaaybe. But nobody farms Bahamut/Ouryu on a regular basis. You can get most anywhere in the whole world in five minutes or less these days due to sky port/Tavnazian ring/outpost warp/Jeuno warp/Whitegate warp.

However, a HNMLS actually being able to get an event running in under 2 hours? A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.

(OP: Personally, I think WoW and FFXI are both good in their own ways. Want a community-oriented game and enjoy the exp grind? FFXI is for you. Want to be able to pop on your game and finish a few quests/levels in a couple of hours? WoW is much better in that respect.)

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	demonbean 2007-09-28 06:39 am UTC (link)
	I never got to a high level, but I remember watching my friends run to this one ... sky-something ... you fought a giant turtle in it. But honestly, we'd both sign on, I'd play a bit, sign off. Make dinner. Eat dinner. They'd still be running ... Have they added the warp stuff recently? I haven't played in about 2 years ... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sairobi
2007-09-28 07:07 am UTC (link)

Sounds like Genbu in sky.

Yeah, SE has added a bunch of warps in the past year: if you teleport to any of the main crags, you can warp directly to sky. There's a taru in Whitegate who will warp you to Jeuno or your home nation for a small fee, and another NPC in each home nation who will warp you back to Whitegate for 300 gil. There's also the outpost warp NPCs in each home nation. Once you're 75 and earned access to this stuff, you can get most anywhere in under 10 minutes.

I hate to abuse the cliche, but high-level is a completely different game. As I'm sure WoW endgame doesn't really function like the low levels. (My personal experience is the opposite of yours; I'm hooked on FFXI but completely lost interest in WoW after 15 or so levels. It was like playing on the easy mode with a Gameshark.)

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rikiki
2007-09-28 07:09 am UTC (link)

See, you can't really say that WoW is far superior from two year old experience, especially since a lot of the things you've talked about have changed. (Plus, exp was never really capped at 200, since you get a bonus if you can get an exp chain going.)

Personally, the things that I like the most about FFXI are things that you can't get or do in WoW. For instance, the multi-console play--I don't have a computer that can really support any high-graphic games, but I can play FFXI on my PS2. Also, servers aren't divided by continent in FFXI like I think they are in WoW? Where you have EU playing with EU, NA playing with NA, and so forth? In FFXI it's pretty much random distribution, although you can pick a specific one, but you'll have Europeans playing with North Americans playing with Japanese players. ^^

Ooh, and yeah, quests can be a pain, but the worst ones have great story behind them, and the beauty is you only have to do it once. Which is to say, you can have one character level up all 18 jobs (plus the new jobs they're releasing with the next expansion, including dancer, which I hope is as fun as it looks like it will be).

Um... I'm getting too tl;dr, but what I was trying to say is FFXI isn't worse than WoW. They have their different benefits and their different disadvantages, and I guess it really depends on the person. Here, have some boobies to make up for all the verbosity.

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kalypsi_cat
2007-09-28 09:29 am UTC (link)

/thoughts on MMORPGs

I play both, though I'm almost exclusively a WoW player now. FFXI has fewer fans, so I think that their own brand of stupid isn't as in-your-face.

WoW ultimately fit me better because I prefer to play solo rather than be in a group. You can't feasibly solo past the first ten levels in FFXI. Leveling involves getting a group together, picking out a spot, and then standing there for several hours killing the same kind of mob over and over. This is fine if you like to chat and like the game for the group atmosphere, but the tedium nearly drove me insane once I had WoW to compare it to. Since I do not care about chatting, and in WoW you move on from one thing to another so quickly, FFXI began to feel like a time sink to me.

HOWEVER!

That's me. FFXI does excel socially. The people in the game are very connected and form strong bonds. I haven't experienced this nearly as frequently in WoW.

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	squib 2007-09-28 10:45 am UTC (link)
	nods That's why I'm not looking at any other MMORPGs. I want a game I can solo in at least a fair amount of the time, if not most of the time. I play in the middle of the night when there aren't a lot of other people on, and I'm not into gaming and chatting much. If I want to chat, I'll use a telephone. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	baskinglizard 2007-09-28 05:11 pm UTC (link)
	The people in the game are very connected and form strong bonds. Hee, you're not kidding. I know a girl who broke up with her bf, moved out of their place, and disappeared for three weeks - turns out she went to California to visit a guy from her linkshell. o_O (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sairobi 2007-09-28 06:56 pm UTC (link)
	I know a girl who moved halfway across the country to be with her in-game beau. She got pregnant, had a baby girl, and now she's got her second bun in the oven. At least they'll have an interesting "how we met" story. ^^; (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

darksumomo
2007-10-01 07:18 pm UTC (link)

I have an almost identical story to tell, but I doubt it's the same couple. Girl moves from Mississippi to Michigan to be with her boyfriend that she met playing FFXI. She gets pregnant. They move together back to Mississippi, where she has a baby girl, and they get married. I don't know if they have a second one on the way, though.

And, yes, it does make for an interesting "how we met" story.

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	sepiamagpie 2007-09-28 02:26 pm UTC (link)
	City of Heroes. That is all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	papervolcano 2007-09-28 03:20 pm UTC (link)
	/agree I really need to get my laptop fixed so that I can play CoH again. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2007-09-28 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	/e thumbsup /powexec_toggleon "Flight" /local Away! (Reply to this)(Parent)

tiarlynn
2007-09-29 04:31 am UTC (link)

My boyfriend used to play it a lot, and occasionally he makes overtures about picking it up again...

And then he remembers how around level 20+ he couldn't solo anymore and would spend hours looking for groups in order simply to be able to level up. Oh and how you can't get anywhere easily and quickly and the dying thing sucks, too.

I tried it a bit and only got to level 10ish, but I found it too tedious; the graphics are better, sure, but I think the art direction is more varied and interesting in WoW, and the way quests and grinding is set up makes for much more engaging and less-tedious gameplay.

Then again I quit WoW five months ago after playing obsessively since launch before then, so I can attest that sometimes the luster of MMOs just wears out, never to be replaced.

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	1000 needles FTW! eso_si_que 2007-09-30 04:35 am UTC (link)
	Yay FFVIII cactaur! That was my icon for a bit, but my caption was "Where is your God now?" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sairobi 2007-09-28 07:21 am UTC (link)
	... I'm honestly surprised this has been spooged all over KI's Asura forum yet. That's an bunch of hard-working wankers the likes of which I've only seen equaled in HP fandom. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sairobi 2007-09-28 07:22 am UTC (link)
	* hasn't Pesky contractions! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	alina_kalime 2007-09-28 02:23 pm UTC (link)
	This is slightly off-topic, but does anyone remember the incident a few years ago where some kid claimed he obtained the phone number to the GM room (and I think a number to an GM employee's cell) and was calling them to harass them? I don't recall if he succeeded (people seemed to believe him), but now I'm trying to remember what the kid's name was. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	hysteria 2007-09-28 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	I do remember that. I think the number was leaked on Alla and there were calls for a phone-bombing campaign to get GMs to take action about...something. RMT maybe? Shame my memory is so fuzzy because this was epic at the time! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rachelthedemon 2007-09-28 09:53 pm UTC (link)
	See, this is why I'm so happy that the only online game I ever got into was MadMaze back on Prodigy. ~~I miss it so...~~ (Reply to this)(Thread)

	coyotegirl 2007-09-28 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	... I thought I was the only person who remembered that game. ~~It was awesome.~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kylenne 2007-09-30 05:28 am UTC (link)
	Gemstone III on GEnie was my crack back in the day. ...god I'm old. (Reply to this)(Parent)