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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-11-01 14:19:00


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Entry tags:dead gay headmaster, entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, think of the children, this is the wank that never ends

I posted the news story in [info]fandom_lounge originally, but it looks like the wank has arrived.

HP Lexicon wants to publish the site as a book.

JK Rowling and her lawyers are not pleased.

People are not pleased that JK Rowling is not pleased ("That fucking bitch.... But that's not good enough for Ms. Anne Rice, Jr. No. It has to be her way or the highway").

Over at Fandom Lounge, Defensive Mouse Is Defensive.

More importantly, Dumbledore is still gay.

More coming as it turns up. Because I'm pretty sure more is coming.

ETA: Ah, here we go. Points of interest, including a few from the FL comments:

[info]lidane: "The Leaky Cauldron article has updated with a timeline from JKR's side and more details about the lawsuit from their perspective."

"The complaint claims Warner Bros. and Rowling's representatives have been 'rebuffed and treated rudely' in their attempts to engage in a dialogue with RDR Books. 'For example, while claiming not to have the ability or time to respond to plaintiffs' multiple "cease and desist" letters because of a family tragedy, defendant instead was hawking foreign publishing rights to the infringing book in Germany,' the lawsuit said." (Pointed out by [info]peachespig.)

JKR was already asked once, and she refused permission. [info]westmoon: "I was told that she was asked. And quite clearly said no. It was talked about at the Prophecy convention in Toronto this summer, and apparently Steve was quite miffed that she refused to give him permission - as were some of the people to whom he related his tale of woe."

The Lexicon incorporates a good deal of text from Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them already? (Note: Permission may have been given for use on the website. ETA: ... Or maybe not.) In that context, note this passage from the Leaky Cauldron article: The suit also quotes a statement made by Steve Vander Ark on his site, that says, "...I don't give permission for people to just copy my work for their own use. Not only is that illegal, since everything in the Lexicon is copyrighted, it's also just plain wrong. Hey, I did all the work,I put in all the time, it's my skill and talent in this area which allowed the Lexicon to come into being. No one else has the right to use my work." The suit says, "this is exactly what Defendant is attempting to do here in connection with Ms. Rowling's work.

HP Lexicon: Anti-Ginny?

"Publisher Roger Rapoport, founder of RDR Books, said he believes the lawsuit is retaliation for a letter sent to Warner about a timeline used on Harry Potter DVDs."

And finally, as quoted in the LC article linked above: There is a substantial likelihood that defendants will continue to infringe unless halted permanently. Uh oh.

ETA 2: Aaaaand we have Godwin's law:

More from [info]peachespig: JKR gives her side on her site (" From what I understand, the proposed book is not criticism or review of Harry Potter's world, which would be entirely legitimate – neither I nor anybody connected with Harry Potter has ever tried to prevent such works being published. It is, we believe, a print version of the website, except now the information that was freely available to everybody is to become a commercial enterprise. It is not reasonable, or legal, for anybody, fan or otherwise, to take an author's hard work, re-organize their characters and plots, and sell them for their own commercial gain. However much an individual claims to love somebody else's work, it does not become theirs to sell") and the Lexicon's publisher achieves Godwin's ("Steve created this Web site as a volunteer project on his own time, and stopping a book of his own creation is not something that happens in America. It's something that could only happen in a police state").

ETA 3: It's for the children, y'all.

ETA 4: The publisher responds. THE CHILDREN, WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THEM?! "Warner Bros. responded by rushing into court with this ill-tempered and badly thought out legal action. This wastes financial resources that Ms. Rowling could give to one of her favorite charities." Also, since y'all seem to be noting that the Lexicon has not contacted any of its non-Vander Ark contributors about a book: "It is an original book with a vast array of independently written scholarly articles."

ETA 5: From [info]pyratejenni: The best explanation of the legal situation that I've seen so far.




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[info]major_dallas
2007-11-01 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Well as long as Dumbledore is still Fabulous...

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Neville, metroFierce and loving it!!! - [info]major_dallas, 2007-11-01 07:33 pm UTC
Re: Neville, metroFierce and loving it!!! - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-11-01 11:16 pm UTC
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[info]sockpuppet_rat
2007-11-01 07:28 pm UTC (link)
Ah, the Rocks at the End of Those Books have finally arrived! The wankers can't hold it in any longer.

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[info]lidane
2007-11-01 07:28 pm UTC (link)
The Leaky Cauldron article has updated with a timeline from JKR's side and more details about the lawsuit from their perspective.



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[info]ahiru
2007-11-01 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Wow, that publisher is a moron. Why not just say "SUE ME HARDER JKR" and save time?

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[info]fresco_le_raye
2007-11-01 07:44 pm UTC (link)
For some reason I find the slogan "The Leaky Caldron.org - The Most Trusted Name In Potter" amusing. It sounds like a used car salesman. With a pencil moustance and a slightly soiled check jacket.

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[info]peachespig
2007-11-01 07:51 pm UTC (link)
JKR gives her side on her site.

As is now widely known, a complaint has been filed in the name of Warner Bros and myself against the publisher of a proposed Lexicon, written by Steven VanderArk. This decision was reached, on my part, with immense sadness and disappointment, and only because direct appeals for a reasonable solution failed. I never dreamed, in the light of our previous good relations – including giving the Lexicon a Fansite Award - that this situation would ever arise.

From what I understand, the proposed book is not criticism or review of Harry Potter's world, which would be entirely legitimate – neither I nor anybody connected with Harry Potter has ever tried to prevent such works being published. It is, we believe, a print version of the website, except now the information that was freely available to everybody is to become a commercial enterprise.

It is not reasonable, or legal, for anybody, fan or otherwise, to take an author's hard work, re-organize their characters and plots, and sell them for their own commercial gain. However much an individual claims to love somebody else's work, it does not become theirs to sell.


Meanwhile, here, the publisher's view:

"Steve created this Web site as a volunteer project on his own time, and stopping a book of his own creation is not something that happens in America. It's something that could only happen in a police state."

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[info]harrylovesron
2007-11-01 07:51 pm UTC (link)
and apparently Steve was quite miffed that she refused to give him permission - as were some of the people to whom he related his tale of woe."

So clearly, the logical course of action after being told "no, you can't do it" is to go ahead and do it anyway, then whine when your ass gets called on it and refuse to comply with Jo's requests.

Oh HP fandom. Please continue to make yourselves look like dumbasses!

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[info]rhiannonmr
2007-11-01 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I cannot believe he went ahead with this even after she said no to him. What a sense of entitlement here. The Lexicon has been a good resource for the most part, but parts of it are really out of date. Seems like they haven't done any serious updating ya know? Maybe it's because they want to do the book but w/out permission from JKR they're just asking for a lawsuit that they just got. Hell if he asked and she said no, that should be the end of it!

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Let's state the obvious here. - [info]narcissam, 2007-11-02 01:37 am UTC
Re: Let's state the obvious here. - [info]churri, 2007-11-02 02:36 am UTC
Re: Let's state the obvious here. - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-11-02 02:55 am UTC
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Re: Let's state the obvious here. - [info]rhiannonmr, 2007-11-02 04:05 am UTC

[info]rekall
2007-11-01 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I was reading some of the Leaky Cauldron comments last night and some of them are hilarious!

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Is this going to go away, like the other suit filed? The poor lexicon. It’s like someone busting into your home and taking away a notebook you’ve stored all of your notes in about the series!!!

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Steve is amazing! This is BS! How DARE she just go and sue one of her biggest fans that even SHE has recognized in the past! I’m disgusted with JKR! Steve, go publish that book! You probably know more than she does anyways!

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My support to Leaky and Lexicon! It is incredible what Jo’s doing since the seventh was released.

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Shame on you JK Rowling. The Lexicon has done nothing but support your series and help it become the pop culture phenomenon it is today.

I will never spend another penny on anything JKR is involved in.

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