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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-11-04 18:23:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, this is the wank that never ends

"I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently"
At the risk of being banished to [info]hp_cornfield, but since we are up to six ETAs on the last entry... Steve Vander Ark speaks.

Everyone here at the Lexicon, all volunteers, regrets the unpleasantness.
All of them?

No comments yet, but they are still enabled. Comments and entitlement galore, but also a surprising amount of common sense! (And now at least one accusation of sockpuppetry.) (And now we have Godwin's.) Please remember: no furbashing trolling. (Thanks to [info]dreamworld.)

ETA 1: The Lexicon statement's hit the Leaky Cauldron. My favorite comments so far:
Ashes: In my mind the lexicon is much more similar to a scientific paper then a work of fiction, a critique, or a ‘rearangement’ of JKR’s books charactors and plot.

lolz: If I had to write a paper in school on any book, ANY book EVER published, and handed in something similar to what’s on the Lexicon, I. WOULD. FAIL.



liz:
Screw you HP World Stealing Steve!



huh: Wait…wait.

Wait.

He put up a statement…

...AND A PRE-ORDER LINK???




ETA 2: Shenanigans! Jessica at Q for Quack alleges that Steve Vander Ark knew an encyclopedia/lexicon could not legally be published because he dissuaded her from doing so. (Thanks to [info]lidane.)
As the editor of the Lexicon, I get email every so often from fans asking me to publish the Lexicon in book form, so I’ve dealt with this question before. Basically, it is illegal to sell a book like that. Jo has reserved all publishing rights to her intellectual property, which means that she’s the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world. And since we’re fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn’t do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it. We wouldn’t get away with it, though, since Neil Blair, her solicitor, is very quick to defend his illustrious client in things like this.

So while it’s a smashing idea, it simply isn’t something that’s allowed at the moment. Believe me, when the series is finished, I plan to petition Jo to allow the Lexicon to work with her to create the ultimate Harry Potter encyclopedia. In the mean time, we’ll have to use the various online resources.


ETA 3: Let's juxtapose a couple of things here.

Steve Vander Ark at Prophecy 2007 (video): "Jo has quit; she is done... the fans are taking over now!"

A comment on his statement at the Lexicon tonight:
I don’t know what’s legal or illegal, not absolutely sure what’s moral or immoral, but my sympathies are certainly with Steve here.... If Rowling wants to corner the “companion book” market, she should get busy writing instead of sending lawyers to save her a seat. She just doesn’t want to LOSE CONTROL of HER creation.

Steve, how may I contribute to your defense fund?
I'm just saying.

ETA 4: The Times Online posts article; comment-wank ensues. (Thanks, [info]sheep.) Favorite comment: "There are numerous Lord of The Rings encyclopaedias and a large number relating to Sherlock Holmes to name just two. Come off it Ms Rowling, your books are in the public domain and anyone can write books about them without your permission. If you're so concerned about charities give them the money you're about to pay your lawyers and shut up."

Also: he's a lawyer, and he admits he doesn't know anything about what's in the Lexicon book or on the site, but he's pretty sure the Lexicon's got a case. Another lawyer over here says something similar (thanks, [info]iheartsirius).

ETA 5: Lashings of stupid at an AOL article, via [info]sheep.

This lawsuit comes on the heels of Rowling's outing of Hogwarts headmaster Albus Dumbledore. Okay Rowling, since you say that Dumbledore is gay. Does this mean that you are a closet lesbian?



Someone saw her profile with some photos on richsoulmate.com, wherecelebrities and wealthy singles hook up. She feels lonely, doesn't she?



SHE IS TRASH SHE AND HER WORKS ARE BANISHED FROM OUR HOME
BOYCOTT THIS TRASH DECCENT PEOPLE UNITE TRASH ! ! !



From [info]miss_eponine, a teal deer takes the opportunity to pimp his own book on Tolkien in the Wall Street Journal comments. Call him, Steve! *phone fingers*

And from [info]ladysphinx: "1.3: But there was still another sign, wherein the mightiest of Wizards shall leave his closet, and the people shall know his sexual preference, though he be as one dead. But the people denied that this was the foretold coming.... 1.6: And fandom rose as one, saying, Surely, this is not the Potterdammerung of which the prophets spake?"

ETA 6: Okay, I thought I'd already posted this on the second entry, but it looks like not. [info]soleta_nf, as previously stated, remembered Steve Vander Ark saying at Convention Alley 2004 that "his real reason for starting the lexicon was that he knew JKR would be publishing an encyclopedia someday, and he hoped that, by having already created one, he would be the person she approached to help her with it." What I forgot to add was that someone here (ETA: [info]waltraute!) found a July 2000 Yahoo Groups post saying that he had just then started the Lexicon for that very reason:

RE: [harrypotteranonymous] new Harry Potter website

> Maybe Scholastic should
> contact you
> about publishing a Harry Potter Index!>

Thanks for you kind words. From what I hear, JKR herself has talked about
doing an encyclopedia of the HP Universe when she gets through all 7 books.
If she decides not to, hey, I'm ready to go! :)

Steve
Which is simply to say, the intent was there from the site's inception.



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[info]spawn_of_kong
2007-11-05 02:41 am UTC (link)
So far, I can't get on to the Lexicon link. Apparently their servers aren't very robust.

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]reddiej, 2007-11-05 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 03:41 am UTC
Copy of text, for easier copy/pasting quoting abilities - [info]iapetus, 2007-11-05 02:52 am UTC
LJ feed - [info]reddiej, 2007-11-05 03:06 am UTC

[info]peachespig
2007-11-05 02:50 am UTC (link)
Well, he's better at PR than his publisher, not that that's saying much. :D

My book was started in response to many, many people who talked to me and asked if there could be a print version of the Lexicon, not in some sort of attempt to profit off of fans.

Remember, fans — he's only selling you someone else's intellectual property because you asked him to! He never wanted to take that money, but sometimes a man's just got to knuckle down and do the right thing.

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(no subject) - [info]polygamouse, 2007-11-05 02:55 am UTC
1st comment
[info]iheartsirius
2007-11-05 02:52 am UTC (link)
First Amendment? wrote:

At least allow the creator of Harry Potter publish the 1st “Encyclopedia”. Mark my word, you have no regret and what ELSE would you have figured would be the end result of YOU copywriting/publishing a book on the “collective catalogueing” of the history of Harry Potter. Write your own story, and publish it so I can then create a fan site about it, catalogue YOUR WORK and sell it to make money.
.... Wow. Slap in the face for SVA. XD

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Re: 1st comment - [info]dreamworld, 2007-11-05 02:56 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 02:57 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 02:58 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 02:59 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]paladin, 2007-11-05 03:07 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]eilisliana, 2007-11-05 03:18 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]in_a_tizzy, 2007-11-05 04:16 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]rekall, 2007-11-05 04:48 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 05:13 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 02:57 am UTC
Re: 1st comment - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 02:58 am UTC

[info]faultypremise
2007-11-05 02:54 am UTC (link)
A lot of people were complaining about the Hiroshima comparison on the RDR site. That's likely why he pulled it.

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[info]sylvatica
2007-11-05 03:12 am UTC (link)
This continues to boggle my mind...

From Steve's statement:
Our work has nothing to do with fiction writing and is only concerned with legitimate critical analysis and academic considerations.

From RDR:
as millions of readers of the Lexicon including the plaintiffs know, the entire website is nonfiction "criticism and review" similar to that in at least 46 other books already in print. A reading of the site upon which the book is based will confirm this.

It seems that they're basing their claim of not infringing based on the fact that the lexicon book will not be fiction. Yet they still both make clear that it is essentially a print version of the site (possibly, possibly not, minus the essays by contributing authors).

So the page on say, Dumbledore, which is put together solely from info found in Jo's books (sometimes verbatim, though attributed) is not infringing?

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(no subject) - [info]reddiej, 2007-11-05 03:19 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]expeliarbum, 2007-11-05 03:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2007-11-05 06:12 am UTC

[info]iapetus
2007-11-05 03:13 am UTC (link)
? wrote:

I think that things in this matter are fairly clear: the author has asked you to stop. This is her world, we merely play in it. If she’s asked you to stop, the right thing to do is to agree with that. If you have any respect for her and the fact that she gave us these characters in the first place, you wouldn’t be going forward with this.

At this point, it doesn’t even matter if your book is going to include critical analysis that would make it more than a recitation of canon facts - she has asked you to stop, and you haven’t listened.

— November 4, 2007 @ 8:59 pm


Damn that "right thing" thing. Always gets in the way of fandom entitlement.

(Though really, I'm thanking "?" for being a voice of reason, here.)

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[info]everstar
2007-11-05 03:20 am UTC (link)
Man, if I still had a graphics program, I'd be making an icon that said "I was a member of Steve Vander Ark's 'staff' and all I got was this lousy lawsuit." Or words to that effect.

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(no subject) - [info]everstar, 2007-11-05 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 04:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]julesnoctambule, 2007-11-05 05:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 05:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]didi, 2007-11-05 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-06 02:12 am UTC

[info]mcity
2007-11-05 03:27 am UTC (link)
Dangit Internets, I needed to sleep!

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(no subject) - [info]thecheese, 2007-11-05 07:48 am UTC

[info]teaspensieve
2007-11-05 03:30 am UTC (link)
5th Comment:

To:“The Guilty One”. I suppose someone who isn’t educated would have the inclination to begin to understand the SCOPE and magnitude of what the creators of the Lexicon are trying to achieve! Access to internet website can be free. But if The Lexicon wishes to now charge you and others a fee to view their content, then now we’re talking business, right? This is an ISSUE of who makes the money.

Because randomly CAPSLOCKING words makes my comment make SENSE.

Except not. I have no idea what this person is trying to say.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-11-05 03:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]amand_r, 2007-11-05 04:14 am UTC
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[info]expeliarbum
2007-11-05 03:40 am UTC (link)
You should be sued! And tell me? what do you plan to do with the money from doing this?

Why, help the starving children in Africa, of course!

I'm so happy this wank isn't over yet.

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(no subject) - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2007-11-05 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]isobelsomething, 2007-11-05 04:03 am UTC

[info]arien
2007-11-05 03:45 am UTC (link)
Don't worry about posting so many entries -- Potterdammerung the First (a.k.a Carpetbook) had way more. And JKR even got into the wank that time.

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In the Lexicon comments...
[info]iheartsirius
2007-11-05 03:47 am UTC (link)
Jocelyn wrote:
You are a disgrace to Harry Potter fans everywhere.

Disabling comments anytime soon?...

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Aw, come on! - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 03:59 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 04:05 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 04:07 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]iheartsirius, 2007-11-05 04:10 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]tunxeh, 2007-11-05 04:55 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]sisterelwood, 2007-11-05 06:20 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]tunxeh, 2007-11-05 06:32 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]sisterelwood, 2007-11-05 07:15 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]goblin, 2007-11-05 04:28 pm UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-11-05 06:41 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 07:41 am UTC
Re: Aw, come on! - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-11-05 10:07 am UTC

sockpuppet_rat
2007-11-05 03:50 am UTC (link)
Damn he's...dumb. Does he honestly not see the difference between his 'book' and the 'other 46' out there? Does he not realize that in raw content his book is somewhere over 50% JKR's work and that those other books are probably floating under ten? He would have been better served to keep his mouth shut.

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-11-05 03:55 am UTC
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[info]dunc
2007-11-05 03:56 am UTC (link)
Wow. He's head of the brain trust, isn't he?

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(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-11-05 04:07 am UTC
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[info]sashenka
2007-11-05 04:01 am UTC (link)
Don't stop posting! This shit is golden bananas.

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[info]waltraute
2007-11-05 04:02 am UTC (link)
Seems like he's not holding to old ideas:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotteranonymous/message/2803

(Wed Jul 26, 2000 11:27 pm)

> Maybe Scholastic should contact you about publishing a Harry Potter
> Index!

Thanks for you kind words. From what I hear, JKR herself has talked about doing an encyclopedia of the HP Universe when she gets through all 7 books.
If she decides not to, hey, I'm ready to go! :)

Steve

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(no subject) - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2007-11-05 04:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-06 12:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2007-11-06 01:47 am UTC
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[info]lidane
2007-11-05 04:07 am UTC (link)
So basically, it's all fandom's fault he's in the mess he's in?

Pfft.

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Steve: "The fans made me do it!" (points) - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 04:10 am UTC
Re: Steve: "The fans made me do it!" (points) - [info]lidane, 2007-11-05 04:24 am UTC
Re: Steve: "The fans made me do it!" (points) - [info]eilisliana, 2007-11-05 04:51 am UTC
Re: Steve: "The fans made me do it!" (points) - ealusaid, 2007-11-05 06:17 am UTC

[info]vzg
2007-11-05 04:19 am UTC (link)
You know that noise Carlos Mencia makes when he thinks someone's an idiot? That's what I imagine this would sound like if Steve read it aloud.

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[info]atalantapendrag
2007-11-05 04:32 am UTC (link)
Sheesh. I've seen enough "unauthorized encyclopedias" in the tie-in sections of bookstores to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's just showing himself to be more and more full of shit.

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[info]victoriabloom
2007-11-05 04:34 am UTC (link)
Now that I think about it, this explains so much about his attitude at Prophecy. He seemed really pissed that JKR keeps giving interviews and releasing new information, which initially confused me. He doesn't write fan fiction, so he couldn't have been angry about anything going AU, and websites can be updated quickly so I didn't know why he'd find it that frustrating.

But now that I know he's been planning a print version, I guess it explains why he's angry canon hasn't "finished." SHAME on that evil JKR for not shutting up about her own creations!

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(no subject) - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 04:39 am UTC
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[info]lerefuge
2007-11-05 04:36 am UTC (link)
Let's see how sharp is backpedalling skills are. *sits down with popcorn*

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[info]iapetus
2007-11-05 04:52 am UTC (link)
Reader2 says:

Steve and the Lexicon staff had put a lot of time and effort into this site.
It’s understndable that they couldn’t keep from claiming what looked like a rightfull reward for their work.


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept that any fan who's spent time in fandom would not know that you don't make money off of another author's creation unless you've somehow gotten permission (as I'm sure those Star Wars book authors have, for an example), and that is a Really Big Rarity.

However, Steve,
What looked like a reward turned out to be a bait on a hook.


So JKR was trying to screw one of her fans over? Okay!

As one of the fans of Lexicon, I urge you not to enter this fight.
You do not stand a chance.


At least they have enough sense to tell him to pull out.

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[info]ahiru
2007-11-05 05:14 am UTC (link)
Because the material for the book was not only accepted but praised and used frequently by every entity concerned with creating the Harry Potter books, games, and films, I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently.

"It's not my fault! I'm just too loved!"

If this actually goes to court, what are the odds of these people just bringing in a laptop and informing the judge that all questions will be answered via text from their internet lawyer?

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[info]penny_sieve
2007-11-05 05:15 am UTC (link)
The book sells for $24.95?

Which kid in Africa is going to be able to afford that!

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10% off with coupon...we iz charitably! - [info]jocelyncs, 2007-11-05 05:25 am UTC
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YOUR ICON - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-05 11:07 pm UTC
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