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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-11-04 18:23:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, this is the wank that never ends

"I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently"
At the risk of being banished to [info]hp_cornfield, but since we are up to six ETAs on the last entry... Steve Vander Ark speaks.

Everyone here at the Lexicon, all volunteers, regrets the unpleasantness.
All of them?

No comments yet, but they are still enabled. Comments and entitlement galore, but also a surprising amount of common sense! (And now at least one accusation of sockpuppetry.) (And now we have Godwin's.) Please remember: no furbashing trolling. (Thanks to [info]dreamworld.)

ETA 1: The Lexicon statement's hit the Leaky Cauldron. My favorite comments so far:
Ashes: In my mind the lexicon is much more similar to a scientific paper then a work of fiction, a critique, or a ‘rearangement’ of JKR’s books charactors and plot.

lolz: If I had to write a paper in school on any book, ANY book EVER published, and handed in something similar to what’s on the Lexicon, I. WOULD. FAIL.



liz:
Screw you HP World Stealing Steve!



huh: Wait…wait.

Wait.

He put up a statement…

...AND A PRE-ORDER LINK???




ETA 2: Shenanigans! Jessica at Q for Quack alleges that Steve Vander Ark knew an encyclopedia/lexicon could not legally be published because he dissuaded her from doing so. (Thanks to [info]lidane.)
As the editor of the Lexicon, I get email every so often from fans asking me to publish the Lexicon in book form, so I’ve dealt with this question before. Basically, it is illegal to sell a book like that. Jo has reserved all publishing rights to her intellectual property, which means that she’s the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world. And since we’re fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn’t do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it. We wouldn’t get away with it, though, since Neil Blair, her solicitor, is very quick to defend his illustrious client in things like this.

So while it’s a smashing idea, it simply isn’t something that’s allowed at the moment. Believe me, when the series is finished, I plan to petition Jo to allow the Lexicon to work with her to create the ultimate Harry Potter encyclopedia. In the mean time, we’ll have to use the various online resources.


ETA 3: Let's juxtapose a couple of things here.

Steve Vander Ark at Prophecy 2007 (video): "Jo has quit; she is done... the fans are taking over now!"

A comment on his statement at the Lexicon tonight:
I don’t know what’s legal or illegal, not absolutely sure what’s moral or immoral, but my sympathies are certainly with Steve here.... If Rowling wants to corner the “companion book” market, she should get busy writing instead of sending lawyers to save her a seat. She just doesn’t want to LOSE CONTROL of HER creation.

Steve, how may I contribute to your defense fund?
I'm just saying.

ETA 4: The Times Online posts article; comment-wank ensues. (Thanks, [info]sheep.) Favorite comment: "There are numerous Lord of The Rings encyclopaedias and a large number relating to Sherlock Holmes to name just two. Come off it Ms Rowling, your books are in the public domain and anyone can write books about them without your permission. If you're so concerned about charities give them the money you're about to pay your lawyers and shut up."

Also: he's a lawyer, and he admits he doesn't know anything about what's in the Lexicon book or on the site, but he's pretty sure the Lexicon's got a case. Another lawyer over here says something similar (thanks, [info]iheartsirius).

ETA 5: Lashings of stupid at an AOL article, via [info]sheep.

This lawsuit comes on the heels of Rowling's outing of Hogwarts headmaster Albus Dumbledore. Okay Rowling, since you say that Dumbledore is gay. Does this mean that you are a closet lesbian?



Someone saw her profile with some photos on richsoulmate.com, wherecelebrities and wealthy singles hook up. She feels lonely, doesn't she?



SHE IS TRASH SHE AND HER WORKS ARE BANISHED FROM OUR HOME
BOYCOTT THIS TRASH DECCENT PEOPLE UNITE TRASH ! ! !



From [info]miss_eponine, a teal deer takes the opportunity to pimp his own book on Tolkien in the Wall Street Journal comments. Call him, Steve! *phone fingers*

And from [info]ladysphinx: "1.3: But there was still another sign, wherein the mightiest of Wizards shall leave his closet, and the people shall know his sexual preference, though he be as one dead. But the people denied that this was the foretold coming.... 1.6: And fandom rose as one, saying, Surely, this is not the Potterdammerung of which the prophets spake?"

ETA 6: Okay, I thought I'd already posted this on the second entry, but it looks like not. [info]soleta_nf, as previously stated, remembered Steve Vander Ark saying at Convention Alley 2004 that "his real reason for starting the lexicon was that he knew JKR would be publishing an encyclopedia someday, and he hoped that, by having already created one, he would be the person she approached to help her with it." What I forgot to add was that someone here (ETA: [info]waltraute!) found a July 2000 Yahoo Groups post saying that he had just then started the Lexicon for that very reason:

RE: [harrypotteranonymous] new Harry Potter website

> Maybe Scholastic should
> contact you
> about publishing a Harry Potter Index!>

Thanks for you kind words. From what I hear, JKR herself has talked about
doing an encyclopedia of the HP Universe when she gets through all 7 books.
If she decides not to, hey, I'm ready to go! :)

Steve
Which is simply to say, the intent was there from the site's inception.


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OH, THE IRONY!
[info]julian_black
2007-11-06 01:12 am UTC (link)
From the Lexicon's blog, May 11, 2007:
Something I had to do...

Two days ago I did something I’ve never done before. I sicced my lawyer on someone.

Believe me, this is not the way I like to operate. People steal material from the Lexicon all the time. Contributors for Wikipedia are famous for it. Yeah, it bothers me. Stealing is wrong. At least three published books have plagiarized quite shamelessly and never even given credit to the Lexicon. It bothers me a lot.

I send emails asking things to be removed and usually that’s the end of the matter. So when I found out about this guy, I just sort of shook my head and figured I’d send my usual gentle insistence that he stop stealing.

Except this one’s different. This fellow is basically out to scam fans out of money as fast as he can before book seven comes out. He’s written a book which he wants to sell and in order to sweeten the deal, he offers bonus material. This bonus material is all from the Lexicon, from Accio Quote, and from Jo’s website. I’m sorry, but that’s where I draw the line. I will not stand for someone stealing my material and using it to scam fans out of money.

So my lawyer sent him a cease and desist letter two days ago. We’re asking that he stop what he’s doing and that he return money to anyone who bought his book.

His response? He sent a jokey email to the people on his email list about being sued. He’s still merrily doing business. Perhaps he thinks we’re bluffing. He’s never met my lawyer.

I don’t like to do things like this. But this leech is not a true fan. He’s an opportunist who sees a chance to make some quick money by playing on fans’ enthusiasm leading up to book seven. I won’t mention him or his site by name because I don’t want to send traffic his way. I also don’t want to generate a storm of nasty emails from other fans or anything like that. We’ll let the legal process do what it’s supposed to do.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]teaspensieve
2007-11-06 01:14 am UTC (link)
That... he...

*iz ded*

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]kuromitsu
2007-11-06 01:19 am UTC (link)
The hypocrisy, it BURNS.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]kuromitsu
2007-11-06 01:22 am UTC (link)
Btw, notice how he says "my material," even though he mentions that the guy is stealing from JKR's site as well.

It's his, it's all his! I wonder if he ever thought of suing JKR for using his lexicon while writing...

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]auralan
2007-11-06 01:31 am UTC (link)
Don't give him ideas!

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]the_sun_is_up
2007-11-06 02:55 am UTC (link)
Steve: hmm that's strange, some of the stuff on the Lexicon is word for word identical to passages in JKR's books. There's only one explanation: clearly she's stealing from me!!

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]chrissytng
2007-11-06 06:33 am UTC (link)
OMG, despite all the crazy wank going on...I have only one thought right now: you're icon is the. best. thing. ever. Where did you get it?!?

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]the_sun_is_up
2007-11-06 11:27 am UTC (link)
I made it! *hearts Office* Feel free to take and use. I like credit, but it's not a big thing.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY! - [info]chrissytng, 2007-11-07 02:32 am UTC
Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]shocolate
2007-11-06 01:21 am UTC (link)
He.... they.... he....

Marry me???

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]isntitironic
2007-11-06 01:30 am UTC (link)
*points*

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Certainly, my lord: we only laugh just to keep from weeping.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]kerryblaze
2007-11-06 02:03 am UTC (link)
See I'm not saying that hard work didn't go into the site, I'm sure that it did, but I bet if I sat down and spent the next six months categorizing events from the HP series, writing biographies, and documenting spells, and then compared it with the lexicon's, you'd think I stole from there too. WHY? Because it's not original material!! I think I've put a permanent dent in my forehead from all of this.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]rhiannonmr
2007-11-06 02:05 am UTC (link)
Shit! What a damned hypocrite. Now that just tears it here. He HAD to have been working with RDR by that point. What an absolute twat.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]mindset
2007-11-06 03:05 am UTC (link)
Oh, to me it brings more credence to the idea that he got all butthurt when Jo didn't want him to be her encyclopedia editor. And/or that he really needs the money now, due to leaving his job and family to go live with someone else work on his book...

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]cleolinda
2007-11-06 03:12 am UTC (link)
Oh, did he actually leave his job as well? This whole publishing saga is the first I'd even heard of the other part.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]pyratejenni
2007-11-06 03:18 am UTC (link)
Well, the school he worked for is the US, and he's in the UK, so....

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]cleolinda
2007-11-06 04:49 am UTC (link)
Oh...

... well how'd he end up with some Brave, Tiny Publisher in Michigan or wherever?

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Re: OH, THE IRONY! - [info]cleolinda, 2007-11-06 04:54 am UTC
Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]mindset
2007-11-06 03:27 am UTC (link)
Yep.

Vander Ark recently resigned as school library media speciali$t at Byron Center Christian Schools in Grand Rapids, Michigan, to devote his time to lecturing and working on his next book, which will also be related to the Harry Potter phenomenon.

(Had to put the $ in there to get around JF's CIALIS spam-block - it's not an editorial comment or anything.)

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]cleolinda
2007-11-06 04:53 am UTC (link)
Heh. "THOSE MERCENARY DAMN LIBRARIANS!"

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]mindset
2007-11-06 03:40 am UTC (link)
Oh, and there's a bit more here, with additional comments by Rapoport of RDR, though you may already have those quotes from elsewhere.

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GIP
[info]expeliarbum
2007-11-06 02:34 am UTC (link)
I think I felt so much joy that I had a small heart attack.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]the_sun_is_up
2007-11-06 02:53 am UTC (link)
Irony is such a beautiful thing, especially in wank. <3333

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]emiweebee
2007-11-06 03:50 am UTC (link)
I...but...wait...I...but...I...

...

*explodes*

No, really, I can't handle this. An online encyclopedia verifying facts from another online encyclopedia is actually stealing?

...

THOSE WIKIPEDIA WHORES ARE STEALING MY PATENTED FACTS!!! I needs me a walrus, a bucket, and a macro.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]cmdr_zoom
2007-11-06 07:38 am UTC (link)
"OMFG" is all that comes to mind.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]elwing_alcyone
2007-11-06 02:17 pm UTC (link)
I love it when all you have to do is switch some names. I love it so much. Even the specifics, like the jokey email! *Dies* It's so beautiful.

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Re: OH, THE IRONY!
[info]kumquat_of_doom
2007-11-06 04:44 pm UTC (link)
...That's so beautiful I think I could cry.

I'd sooner laugh, though.

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