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ipomoea 2003-07-29 08:58 pm UTC (link)

Ah, Buffy fandom, how I love you. You continue to bring teh wank. I'm so proud. *tear* At a recent convention, one brave fan asked about the Attempted Rape (offensively belittled in the fandom as "The A/R") Oh yes. Buffy fans refer to it as the A/R just to be offensive and belittling to people like Ducks. It couldn't possibly be that NO ONE feels like typing out "Attempted Rape" over and over in discussion and the abbreviation just translated over to con-speak as well. No, couldn't possibly be that at all. (Reply to this)(Thread)

katemonkey 2003-07-30 11:34 am UTC (link)

At a recent convention, one brave fan asked about the Attempted Rape (offensively belittled in the fandom as "The A/R") Wait, you mean the "brave fan" that managed to piss off plenty of people by talking about something that happened on Buffy at an Angel panel? Yeah, real fucking brave there. (Also, the whole "I hate this character and will make a website for my hate" thing? So passé...) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	onetrickpony 2003-07-29 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	*snorts* Spuggy is, like, the Best. Typo. EVAH! Especially since it's on her BUTTONS! *laughs* (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rowan 2003-07-30 12:13 am UTC (link)
	I saw that and instantly thought "Spike / Sluggy Freelance! OTP!!!!!!!!11111" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-07-30 03:00 am UTC (link)
	I smell an icon! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: Spuggy! rowan 2003-07-30 05:09 am UTC (link)
	So. So. WRONG. *sporfle* Poor Riff. And Torg just can't get any, can he? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Spuggy! lcsbanana 2003-09-24 04:46 pm UTC (link)
	.....Sporg? *whimper* (Reply to this)(Parent)

iczer6 2003-07-29 09:44 pm UTC (link)

>>a step on his favorite anti-hero's "journey"... and then that it's okay to just sweep it under the rug, mock fans who are offended by the utter lack of respect and seriousness given this grave subject on BtVS... but the thousands of women, girls, and men raped every year don't.>> Eh, color me wanky but I think hidden deep within the self righthous whining there IS a good point. I mean the whole Spike Rape's thing was just handled BADLY. Honestly he tries to RAPE her then a day later she wants him to watch her little sister? WTF? Of course I don't think this means that Whedon is evil woman-hater, I think it's just proof of how bad the writing got in that season. Icz (Reply to this)(Thread)

deeablo 2003-07-29 10:11 pm UTC (link)

color me wanky Whee! ::gets out wank-colored markers and starts scribbling on Icz:: Of course I don't think this means that Whedon is evil woman-hater, I think it's just proof of how bad the writing got in that season. I agree. No matter what side of the Spike fence (heh) one is on, I think many agree that the attempted rape scene in "Seeing Red" was a cheap plot device. I'm not saying that rape itself is cheap, or that violent relationships are a-okay. [Not that *you* said or even implied that - I just want to be clear.] But I *do* think that Mutant Enemy wrote themselves into a corner and took a bad way out. I just find it hilarious, and a bit scary, that people are still so up in arms about this, 18 months later. It's a television show. Joss is not God nor is he the Antichrist. He's a writer with serious daddy issues. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-07-29 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	>>But I *do* think that Mutant Enemy wrote themselves into a corner and took a bad way out.>> Exactly. Actually the series did do a few eps that touched upon things like abusive relationships and domestic violence in the earlier season. Which makes Seeing Red sadder because they could've done it so much better. I'd better start passing around the baby oil... Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	quinctia 2003-07-30 04:34 am UTC (link)
	I agree about the handling it better thing. Especially since Buffy and Spike had the whole pseudo BDSM relationship going...it's hard as a viewer to know how to take that scene. She coulda kicked his ass at any time. She said "no" then gave in so many times, it basically seemed like they needed a safeword. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

iczer6 2003-07-30 05:01 am UTC (link)

>>She coulda kicked his ass at any time. She said "no" then gave in so many times, it basically seemed like they needed a safeword.>> Two things IIRC Buffy was injured when Spike made his attempt. I think she was thrown into a tombstone and cushioned the blow with her spine. The point of that was the Buffy was at a disadvantage when Spike attacted. Also there's a difference between her trying to get involved with Spike and her crying and screaming for him to stop. I also find the 'she could kick his ass' excuse a little disturbing. Ya know like Spike's actions are A-OK because he didn't beat her unconcious and duct tape her to the toliet. And yes I am being a giant barrel O'Buffy wank here. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: quinctia 2003-07-30 06:24 am UTC (link)

I also find the 'she could kick his ass' excuse a little disturbing. Ya know like Spike's actions are A-OK because he didn't beat her unconcious and duct tape her to the toliet. Well I don't think what he did was all right. I just don't necessarily think that what he did was wrong. I think it was a shitty event on both sides, but it wasn't written clearly enough. Of course, I don't think what Buffy did to Spike in "Dead Things" was all right either. I think the wank comes from neither side being able to see gray. Before "Seeing Red," Spike could definitely be seen as an abused partner. After that, they were almost even. The whole relationship was sick, so even if the scales are equal that doesn't mean anyone is less messed up. Both Buffy AND Spike were sick fucks. (So why would anyone inflict her on poor Angel... *laughs*) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

iczer6 2003-07-30 06:38 am UTC (link)

< [Error: Irreparable invalid markup ('<well [...] wrong.>') in entry. Owner must fix manually. Raw contents below.] <<Well I don't think what he did was all right. I just don't necessarily think that what he did was wrong. I think it was a shitty event on both sides, but it wasn't written clearly enough. Of course, I don't think what Buffy did to Spike in "Dead Things" was all right either.>> Well the entire relationship was nothing but a bizzare angsty trainwreck, that I agree on. However I have no sympathy for Spike, he willing let himself become Buffy's whipping boy [which struck as being OOC for him]. Honestly folks this is a vamp who managed to off two Slayers, he's not some helpless pansy who Buffy suduced to the darkside. And IIRC his chip didn't work against Buffy do to the giant plot hole. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-07-30 06:44 am UTC (link)
	CHANGE ON THE MOLECULAR LEVEL ((which should have led to a pile of Slayer slime instead of BUFY COMES BACK FROM TEH DED)) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-07-30 06:50 am UTC (link)
	I'm now going to use my greatest weapon... DENIAL! There was no Season 6! It never happened, stop talking about it! La, la, la I can't hear you... Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-07-30 07:11 am UTC (link)
	He's a neutered vamp... She's a puddle of primordial slime... TOGETHER... They fight CRIME! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-07-30 10:30 am UTC (link)
	I must know where the 'They Fight Crime' Icons came from! Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-07-30 10:33 am UTC (link)
	I'm not sure, but I'm making one now! I only have 6/10 journalfen icons used up. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

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	virago 2003-07-30 06:37 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks, I'd been wondering that too. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	quinctia 2003-07-31 06:48 am UTC (link)
	Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *points to icon* (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ipomoea 2003-07-29 10:35 pm UTC (link)
	But I *do* think that Mutant Enemy wrote themselves into a corner and took a bad way out. Agreed. Guess you'll have to scribble "WANKAH" on my forehead too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	deeablo 2003-07-29 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	Do you have a color preference? Wait. Now I'm wondering, what color is wank? Is it a creamy white? Is wank the consistency of squid? Will it help reduce wrinkles? Stop me. Please! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: ipomoea 2003-07-29 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Do you have a color preference? I'm partial to chartreuse, myself. It's my favorite color of wank. Will it help reduce wrinkles? I've heard that it does, indeed! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-07-29 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	Well, in the latest Playboy, a chick wrote in saying that a DNA facial did, in fact, improve her skin. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	onetrickpony 2003-07-30 12:41 am UTC (link)
	Will it help reduce wrinkles? It reduces the risk of prostate cancer! Isn't that ENOUGH for you people? (Actually, that gives me no excuse but we can overlook that.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-07-29 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	Dear Ducks, We are not living in the Max Headroom universe. Your television has an 'off' switch. Use it. You'll live longer. Love, Ann (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rikoshi 2003-07-30 01:47 am UTC (link)
	We are not living in the Max Headroom universe. Your television has an 'off' switch. Use it. You'll live longer. Pet peeve time again, here. I just looove when people willingly subject themselves to something, and then go off the hook about it. It's like those people who were suing McDonald's for making them fat... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Question: irk 2003-07-29 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	If Spike/Buffy = Spuffy, then Buffy/Angel = BANGel, yes? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Question: unnamed 2003-07-30 02:45 am UTC (link)
	I love you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

raisedbyhyenas 2003-07-29 10:28 pm UTC (link)

I still say "Oh no! He ATTEMPTED to mess with a women who can rip off his head and spit down his throat!" Why she didn't, I'll never know -- and that's why I don't have one ounce of sympathy for her on this front. I don't like either side of this whole stupid kerfluffle, honestly -- on one side you have the fangirls defending a rat-bastard because he's cute, and on the other you have the over-sensitive womyn rallying on pure kneejerk instinct. What-ev-er. (Reply to this)

	munchkinott 2003-07-29 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	'Spuggy'? *sporfle* Damn these Byker Grove shippers! *shakes fist* They're everywhere! (Reply to this)

rhi_silverflame 2003-07-30 12:03 am UTC (link)

Ah, wanky Buffy 'shipper fandoms. Ah, anti-Spike crusaders. I unfortunately don't have a specific link I can give you since it's on a password-locked board (and I don't have the password), but apparently one of the Kitten Boarders has decided she's going to take up her own crusade against Spike. She's made up these little cards with pictures of Spike or Spike/Buffy and ranting text about how he's a rapist and an abuser and blahdeeblahdeeblah, and she wants people to take the cards, go to bookstores, and put them into copies of Joss Whedon's biography. I mean, I'm all for grassroots campaigning, but GEEZ, PEOPLE! Spend the time and energy on a grassroots campaign that fucking COUNTS! (Reply to this)

	deeablo 2003-07-30 12:40 am UTC (link)
	According to the lovely lady who pointed me in the direction of this wank, "'Spuggy' isn't a typo. It's a deliberately insulting (in Ducks' view) version of the name 'Spuffy.' Which she won't type, apparently. Duckers are also fond of names like 'Spiketards' to refer to Spike's many fans." Wow. Does this mean we should call them Ducktards? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	onetrickpony 2003-07-30 01:06 am UTC (link)
	how's it insulting, though? It just looks like she's rather stupidly missed the 'f' key twice in a row! *schnarf* I find spike the most irritating of all the BtVS characters but this makes me want to add 'spuggy'' to my interest list. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pradaloz 2003-07-30 01:33 am UTC (link)
	'Spuggy' isn't a typo. It's a deliberately insulting (in Ducks' view) version of the name 'Spuffy.' Well, I guess if the Ducks say so... Die-hard shippers really chap my ass. Okay, anyone who devotes the mental and emotional energy to hating a fictional character really chaps my ass. Haven't we figured out by now that it's just a show? Argh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rikoshi 2003-07-30 01:45 am UTC (link)
	Die-hard shippers really chap my ass. Okay, anyone who devotes the mental and emotional energy to hating a fictional character really chaps my ass. Amen, amen, and amen again. Throw in this silly nonsense about "claiming" bishies and you've got a recipe for Rikky Rage. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	shoiryu 2003-07-30 02:28 am UTC (link)
	Oh, MAN. I used to be one of those types. Then I, um, turned 16 and got a clue? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	ipomoea 2003-07-30 03:16 am UTC (link)
	Does this mean we should call them Ducktards? Sure, but in order for it to truly be wanktastic, we have to refuse to type the "D" in "Duck" and hit "F" instead! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	quinctia 2003-07-30 04:34 am UTC (link)
	<3 your icon! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2003-07-30 08:52 am UTC (link)
	Please fuck me like an animal. Thank you. (Reply to this)(Parent)