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Reeve Kasahara ([info]reeve) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2007-12-03 19:05:00


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Entry tags:reviews, videogames

Video Game Reviewgate
Kind of surprised that this hasn't yet been posted about here, as it's been a hot topic of discussion at several video game forums and blogs, not to mention a prime example of Gamer Drama. Anyway, before I start, a special thanks to the guys over at the Cheap Ass Gamer forums for several of these links.

There's a new game by Eidos out called Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, which was heavily advertised on the mega huge gaming site Gamespot (we're talking an ad campaign costing hundreds of thousands of dollars). A Gamespot editor named Jeff Gerstmann gives Kane & Lynch a 6.0, a considerably low score (here's the original review as well as a video version). A rumor reaches Kotaku that Gerstmann was fired over the review.

This rumor was later quasi-verified by Penny Arcade and others—Gertsmann was let go after Eidos threatened to pull several thousands of dollars worth of future advertising from Gamespot. The original review was also altered (some of the changes have been catalogued here).

In the meantime, the official Eidos forums were flooded by furious fanboys, while at Gamespot, members vent their outrage in a more creative way. NeoGAF starts a formal protest, another Gamespot writer seems to be resigning, writers at competing site 1UP show their support, and the rumors generate more rumors.

A user called "gamespot" shows up at Valleywag and gives his account. One of the more revealing bits from that post: Over the last year there has been an increasing amount of pressure to allow the advertising teams to have more of a say in the editorial process; we've started having to give our sales team heads-ups when a game is getting a low score, for instance, so that they can let the advertisers know that before a review goes up. Other publishers have started giving us notes involving when our reviews can go up; if a game's getting a 9 or above, it can go up early; if not, it'll have to wait until after the game is on the shelves.

And of course, a kerfluffle like this is not complete until someone yells out, "Conspiracy theory!": We hear Eidos is "freaking out" over l'affaire Gerstmann; top management there, an insider says, sincerely believes they didn't prompt CNET to fire Gerstmann, but fears they'll get the blame anyway.

The official word from Gamespot, its parent company CNET, and/or Eidos? CNET issued a statement denying any relation between the firing and the negative review of Kane & Lynch. To the best of my knowledge, no official statement has yet been made by either Gamespot (see below) or Eidos.

ETA - The plot thickens; it seems the official Kane & Lynch website hasn't exactly been honest with their review scores (thanks to [info]miraba for the link).

ETA II - Gamespot speaks; Kotaku commenters call "bullshit" (thanks, [info]j_crew_guy and [info]mcity). And speaking of Kotaku, the Kane & Lynch website claims another victim (thanks, [info]princessdot).

ETA III - Destructoid brings the snark.

ETA: Vice City - First the news: mass resignations at Gamespot on the way? If that's too teal deer for you, here's a brief summary of that post.

Also, The Escapist's Russ Pitts weighs in on the whole ugly situation (thanks [info]ghostmaster); no Kane & Lynch review from Yahtzee yet, sadly. Newsweek's N'Gai Croal shares his two pennies as well.

ETA: San Andreas - Gerstmann speaks, plus analysis by Kotaku (thanks, iwanttobeasleep). I love this passage from the first link: Also, see that chart up there? That’s the estimated traffic performance of GameSpot over the most recent seven-day stretch that the figures are available. Remember, this story broke on Nov 29. That’s when people on the Internet started talking about blacking out the site.

Note the lack of a dip.


Go fanboys! Show that big bad Gamespot who's boss!

Meanwhile, Gamespot speaks some more.



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[info]photosinensis
2007-12-04 03:53 am UTC (link)
This is actually a part of a problem in the gaming journalism community. The fact is that the rags have no choice but to shit where they eat. It's not as though you're going to see video game ads almost anywhere else.

Ultimately, the problem would be best served by gaming review mags finding additional sources of revenue beyond playing bitch for the game studios. Surely there are other things that would advertise well in gaming magazines. Let the AAA titles be determined by the reviewer and not the publisher. I mean, let's face it: a 6.0 game is most definitely not a AAA title.

In fact, there are a lot of things that badly need to change in the video game industry, such as various other media industries treating the video games market as a way to push their properties from other media. After all, we don't see books for every movie and television show. Why does this hold for video games?

Next up: my thoughts on yaoi.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-12-04 01:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm reminded of what Dave Barry said about the travel section of the newspaper, something like "The travel section is run by the travel industry, which does not want to see headlines such as "Uruguay: Don't Bother."



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(no subject) - [info]the_mouse, 2007-12-04 05:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]solesakuma, 2007-12-04 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-12-04 09:40 pm UTC

[info]phosfate
2007-12-04 07:23 pm UTC (link)
After all, we don't see books for every movie and television show.

We used to. However, home video has made them largely pointless.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-12-06 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-12-06 04:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2007-12-06 07:25 pm UTC
Another link
[info]miraba
2007-12-04 04:11 am UTC (link)
Apparently the producers have no problems lying about their scores.

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Re: Another link
[info]skarrow
2007-12-04 04:37 am UTC (link)
I predict that the defense is that 'those don't denote scores, they're decoration!', but that's a really weaselly defense.

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Re: Another link - [info]hristaesir, 2007-12-04 04:40 am UTC
Re: Another link
[info]elektra3
2007-12-04 08:50 am UTC (link)
Wow, they're doing an absolutely bang-up job of endearing themselves to the community at large, aren't they?

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-12-04 04:13 am UTC (link)
The Penny Arcade comic cracks me up.

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[info]brennalarose
2007-12-04 05:02 am UTC (link)
*sigh* Double-plus bad move, Eidos.

Wait, who am I kidding, I don't even play FPS games.

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-12-04 05:26 am UTC (link)
I know. "I'll take my business away-- oh wait."

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(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2007-12-04 07:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-12-05 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2007-12-04 03:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-12-05 03:12 am UTC

[info]kinneas
2007-12-05 07:14 am UTC (link)
:O It's not FPS. The Hitman engine is third-person and not shooting-oriented at all.

...Well, Hitman isn't. From what I hear even though it's the Hitman engine and thus shitty shooting, K&L is heavy on the guns. Which is retarded.

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[info]j_crew_guy
2007-12-04 06:00 am UTC (link)
Gamespot releases their official statement.

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Well, this is going to be epic.
[info]mcity
2007-12-04 06:05 am UTC (link)
So, as December starts, we have a LJ major wank, a second HP copyright wank, and wank about a major videogame release.

God bless us, every one!

Also, Kotaku commenters disbelieve the offical story.

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Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]saralina25, 2007-12-04 07:09 am UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]mcity, 2007-12-04 07:12 am UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]lemone, 2007-12-04 10:58 am UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]vzg, 2007-12-04 03:03 pm UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]gynocrat, 2007-12-04 04:17 pm UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]vito_excalibur, 2007-12-04 06:41 pm UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-12-04 07:12 pm UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]mmanurere, 2007-12-04 07:23 am UTC
Re: Well, this is going to be epic. - [info]sashenka, 2007-12-04 07:42 am UTC

[info]joye
2007-12-04 07:39 am UTC (link)
Well, I believe them. Heck! They're sincere!

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-12-04 09:42 am UTC

[info]kahrohseh
2007-12-04 08:04 am UTC (link)
I've just come off a .hack binge so I read Tycho's whole post with Crispin Freeman narrating in my head.

It worked quite well.

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(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2007-12-04 03:11 pm UTC

[info]sairobi
2007-12-04 08:42 am UTC (link)
... Wow, there goes my wager on the Blizzard/Activision merger being the December video game wank of choice.

I am sad that Kane & Lynch was panned so thoroughly. I was sort of looking forward to it: the concept and advertising materials looked slick. D:

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-12-04 09:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2007-12-04 03:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-12-06 02:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2007-12-04 04:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2007-12-04 04:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2007-12-04 06:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2007-12-04 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sairobi, 2007-12-04 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-12-04 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2007-12-05 07:15 am UTC

[info]princessdot
2007-12-04 09:17 am UTC (link)
As my gamer said, "you'd think they'd lie low in their marketing right now, wouldn't you?"

huh

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[info]nekoama
2007-12-04 01:02 pm UTC (link)
I found it hilarious that this came so soon after Penny Arcade's newspost saying that they'll never support a game they think sucks, no matter what the money.

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(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2007-12-04 10:46 pm UTC

[info]iamnotyourmuse
2007-12-04 05:46 pm UTC (link)
While reading f_w over my shoulder the other day my husband commented "You know what should get posted on there? This whole mess with Eidos and Gamespot." He was so right. Sheesh, Eidos. What dickweeds.

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[info]kate74
2007-12-04 06:59 pm UTC (link)
From what I remember, Playstation's official magazine gave the game a 5/10. Will Eidos have Sony fired?

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[info]solelyfictional
2007-12-04 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I saw this on the bbc news website, and was baffled (especially since it was a link to a blog post, with no actual news article. BBC, you confuse me!). Thank you, fandom_wank, for explaining all.

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[info]ghostmaster
2007-12-04 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Russ Pitts of The Escapist weighs in. Personally, I want to see a ZP review of the game.

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(no subject) - [info]andra_dodger, 2007-12-05 04:17 am UTC

janegray
2007-12-05 01:25 am UTC (link)
Circumstances change over time and the back half plays out like a revenge tale, but it's a revenge tale where you don't actually care if anyone actually gets their revenge. Every single person you play as or encounter is despicable and wholly abrasive; thus, it's extremely difficult to care about anything that's happening to them.

What is it with the trend of despicable main characters in recent years? I too usually much prefer anti-heroes over pure-and-wholesome heroes, but it seems like more and more main characters are straight-out villains.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-12-05 03:13 am UTC

[info]guildenstern
2007-12-05 05:11 am UTC (link)
Reminds me of the sweet, sweet summer of my youth when I realized that:
1. PSM magazine was never going to have a spread video game guys for the summer swimsuit issue.
2. They padded the reviews for any game that took out an ad with their magazine and shellac'd it with an extra coat of Maxim humour for that awesome 'edgy' feel.

Stay classy, video game hype machines.

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(no subject) - janegray, 2007-12-05 04:54 pm UTC

iwanttobeasleep
2007-12-05 10:31 pm UTC (link)
Gerstmann talks and I agree with Kotaku.com, what he says seems very telling.

He does comment, for those of you who don't want to read, that there are no suspect reviews, and that his coworkers are good, upstanding reviewers.

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[info]msmanna
2007-12-09 02:00 am UTC (link)
Why don't the review sites use the tried-and-tested method from the good old days when all game reviews were in magazines?

1. New Game Magazine Monthly starts up, promising to give honest reviews of fully completed games only.
2. Lots of gamers, liking the fact that New Game Magazine Monthly saves them from buying shitty games, buy copies.
3. Because of the large circulation, New Game Magazine Monthly starts to pull in lots of advertising revenue and freebie perks from the game companies.
4. In order to keep the games companies happy, New Game Magazine Monthly starts giving good reviews to shitty games. The pressure to get reviews out before the competition means they shift to preview copies and occasionally making reviews up entirely based on press releases.
5. Since they can't trust the reviews, the gamers stop wasting their money buying the magazine, revenues plummet, and New Game Magazine Monthly folds.
6. Shortly afterwards, New New Game Magazine Monthly starts up, promising to give honest reviews...

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