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mercutia ([info]mercutia) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-01-01 22:01:00


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Current mood:Overwhelmed
Entry tags:comics, person: dave sim

Epic Comic Book Resource Forum Wank
(Teal deer alert.)

And when I say "epic" I mean "80+ pages". I found it interesting and even I collapsed after 18 straight pages and just started skimming. Mercifully, the thread's been closed, but the whole thing's of recent vintage.

Over on the Comic Book Resources Forums, a member named talontm starts a thread about an article on Comics Village by one Rick Sharer regarding Dave Sim (creator of Cerebus, a 20-year-running comic about an anthropomorphic misanthropic aardvark) and his Very Brave (And Right!) Stand Against Feminism, including this gem of praise:

We needed a good slap in the face to wake us from our zombie-like existence so that we could somehow find a way to put an end to the madness with which Marxist-feminists have been slowly, but effectively and pervasively, poisoning our society.

That's talontm speaking, not Dave Sim. Because after a while it gets hard to tell who's saying what. Talontm shows in later comments that he is very much in agreement with the article's author and with Sims. FEMINISM IS EVIL! WAKE UP, PEOPLE OPPRESSED MEN! Talontm also goes on to briefly congratulate Gail Simone (one of the CBR forum's mods) on being recognized for some of her work, I suppose in an effort to make himself look enlightened or something.

The very second comment in the thread is from Gail Simone, who read the link and is having none of it:

What a bunch of twaddle.

...aaaaaand they're off. Major players include Gail, talontm, cedardryad, who is female and thinks maybe it's not as bad as all that, Paul McEnery who doesn't totally agree but thinks there's a case to be made for Sim's position, and a Greek chorus of politely outraged male/female/transgendered forum members (Evan Waters, Solaris, and Pink Bat Max, to name a very few) who argue with talontm to no avail. And I say "polite" in that they actually try to reason with him and nobody that I saw went into flailing capslock of rage.

Oh, and it comes out that talontm and Rick Sharer are one and the same. Surprising, I know.

Eventually talontm accuses forum member colleen of being a lying liar who lies, but doesn't really say HOW. Right around here my eyeballs started to cross, so YMMV, but eventually it comes out that this searing indictment of untruth on colleen's part is because she said she doesn't read Cerebus, but apparently got a free copy or something once, and read that. One copy of one issue of a 20-year comic. Clearly, she needs to be locked up for life.

Lots of fun if you have the time, including the term "Simogymists" for icky nasty gurls who don't like Dave or his Brave Stand Against Feminism, the position (Dave's) that the Male Light of Creation is devoured by the Rapacious Female Void (no word on whether that requires antacids afterwards), and the 80 PAGE stamina of a troll and mod locked in a sort-of mortal combat.

If there's a moral to this, it's that "Simone" rhymes with "own" for a reason.

ETA: Helps to link to the thread in question, doesn't it? *facepalm*




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[info]malana
2008-01-02 05:21 am UTC (link)
Sim related wank! Oh, it's been awhile since I've seen any of that. I really fucking hate that guy, but this should be fun to read.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-01-03 04:45 am UTC
reposted because I can write HTML really
[info]qem_chibati
2008-01-02 05:30 am UTC (link)
Um. Where's the wank?

As in, I see wiki, I see blog, I see article that started it all, but I don't see any Gail other than wiki.

Because see I love reading Gail's thoughts on yaoi, and promises of such with no delivery make me sad. ;.;

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Re: reposted because I can write HTML really - [info]mercutia, 2008-01-02 06:35 am UTC

[info]mcity
2008-01-02 05:50 am UTC (link)
Cerebus, a 20-year-running comic about an anthropomorphic misanthropic aardvark
Has he done anything else? At all?

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-01-02 06:13 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]vito_excalibur, 2008-01-04 01:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dorothy1901, 2008-01-03 12:34 am UTC
30 years actually. - [info]ebbrowning, 2008-01-03 03:46 am UTC
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[info]airborne_rodent
2008-01-02 05:52 am UTC (link)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=201942

That might help. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]mercutia, 2008-01-02 06:34 am UTC

[info]ladybirdsleeps
2008-01-02 06:03 am UTC (link)
I still don't understand how anyone can defend a point of view that says women should be spanked for talking back. Or, you know, all of the other bullshit in there.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2008-01-02 06:08 am UTC (link)
Every time I see the word "Cerebus," I keep thinking "It's Cerberus, you morons!"

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-01-02 06:25 am UTC (link)
Cedardryad's not much good at the whole "thinking" thing, is she?

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[info]billymasqets
2008-01-02 06:40 am UTC (link)
I thought the name looked familiar. It's Talon the fucking Merciful, bane of the Usenet rec.arts.comics groups. He defended Sim back then as well, and just as poorly. Oh, and there were creationist antics too. Really, he was the whole package.

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[info]jaseroque
2008-01-02 07:29 am UTC (link)
Okay, someone's got to tell me what the hell happened in issue 187. That guy's essay is both poorly written and totally incomprehensible to an outsider.

(I read a little of the first volume of Cerebus, ran into more misogyny than I was willing to deal with in my reading materials, and dropped it. Nice to know I was justified in forseeing worse to come.)

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[info]amand_r
2008-01-02 08:10 am UTC (link)
I don't think the "rest of his readership" bailed before 186, but yes, he lost readers during the 90's...as did all comics published during that time, and I think the percentages were pretty close.

Uh, yeah, I worked in a comic book store from 1996 to 1998, and we dropped Cerebus long before that, because NO one was buying it. It sat on the shelves like the creepy girl who smells like cheese at the junior high dance. I felt bad for it. I eventually marked them for 20 cents and issue. And no one bought them. They bought Spider Ham first. Spider Fucking Ham back issues.

Shit. I forgot to bring the funny.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-01-02 09:13 am UTC (link)
What on earth? I can understand thinking feminism is overrated and oppressing men; I think that's incorrect, but I get it. But who on earth thinks that Dave Sim, Mr. The-female-void-is-trying-to-devour-my-male-light is the sane answer to this problem?

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[info]churri
2008-01-02 09:14 am UTC (link)
I choose to ignore the Massive Fail that is Sim and his fancocksores, and will instead clutch Wonder Woman 15 to my breast and celebrate the awesome that is Gail Simone.

See, people actually carry Wonder Woman 15. I haven't seen Cerebus wasting space in any comic shops recently.

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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2008-01-02 08:42 pm UTC

[info]the_sun_is_up
2008-01-02 09:33 am UTC (link)
Grrr must not share thoughts on yaoi teh stupid. *sits on hands*

Although does anyone have an explanation of all this "Marxist-feminist" stuff? I mean, I'm a feminist but personally I found Marx to be unconvincing and rather a boring read, so... yeah, wtf?

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[info]dragoness_e
2008-01-02 10:03 am UTC (link)
The one thing that puzzles me is why do net.kooks have defenders? Or are this talontm or the other fellow (Paul) sock-puppets for Dave Sim?

On 2nd thought, they can't be the same guy. They write too differently. But still... reading some of Sim's quotes sounds like classic conspiracy nut kookery. I expect him to start raving about the Bavarian Illuminati controlling the Presidency any day now.

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[info]wal_lace
2008-01-02 10:23 am UTC (link)
Y'know, I'm pretty certain Dave Sim has now attained equal status to the Nazis with regards internet arguments: Agreeing with, referencing or comparing to him is automatic fail.

And yes, I realise that by referencing the Nazis in my previous sentence I've automatically failed, and that Dave Sim is not morally or philosophically comparable, but I think the principle still stands.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2008-01-02 05:19 pm UTC
My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them!
[info]usagivindaloo
2008-01-02 10:44 am UTC (link)
My only experience with Cerebus was a oneshot crossover with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It was actually pretty damn funny (including the best "nuking" rampage ever courtesy of the villain). I am sad to discover that so much phail lurked behind that little grey ardvark. ;_;

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Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]anarchicq, 2008-01-02 11:26 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]made_by_kali, 2008-01-02 04:06 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-01-02 05:17 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]soupspooks, 2008-01-02 09:02 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-01-02 11:27 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]capsulekei, 2008-01-02 09:07 pm UTC
For Drew Hayes Fans... (OT) - [info]anarchicq, 2008-01-02 10:34 pm UTC
Re: For Drew Hayes Fans... (OT) - [info]capsulekei, 2008-01-02 10:37 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]sepiamagpie, 2008-01-02 11:46 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]usagivindaloo, 2008-01-02 07:21 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-01-03 04:54 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]usagivindaloo, 2008-01-02 07:23 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]sepiamagpie, 2008-01-02 07:26 pm UTC
(reposted for more gender neutral insults ;-)) - [info]usagivindaloo, 2008-01-02 07:33 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-01-03 04:55 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]reeve, 2008-01-02 04:54 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-01-03 02:36 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-01-03 04:59 am UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]pipssister, 2008-01-03 05:15 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]hickorydickory, 2008-01-03 10:59 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]animejosse, 2008-01-06 08:49 pm UTC
Re: My vaguely related anecdotes, let me show you them! - [info]hickorydickory, 2008-01-07 08:07 pm UTC

[info]smashingstars
2008-01-02 11:04 am UTC (link)
One of my favorite formulas for wank is:

1. Man says something sexist.
2. A few people get offended.
3. Woman posts "I'm a woman, and I didn't find it offensive, so no one else should, either."
4. Profit.

It brings me joy.

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ooh so true - [info]antigone, 2008-01-02 09:36 pm UTC
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[info]lil_miss_stfu
2008-01-02 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I'd read this but... well, I have a sneaking suspicion that I'd wind up so pissed off that I might do something stupid involving my laptop and throwing it in disgust. So for the sake of my pretty, pretty baby (and my brain for that matter), I'll refrain.

But for the record, Dave Sims is an ass and a half.

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(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2008-01-03 02:55 am UTC
/pedant
[info]duraniedrama
2008-01-02 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Sim, not Sims.

Cerebus was, in fact, a misspelling of Cerberus, but was quickly explained away as being the name of the aardvark in the logo and not the mythological beastie they were trying to use the name of. And the rest is singularly fucked up comic book history.

I'm surprised people still give a shit about the man enough to pontificate on his views.

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Re: /pedant - [info]evanwaters, 2008-01-03 07:10 am UTC
Re: /pedant - [info]mercutia, 2008-01-05 12:25 am UTC

[info]brennalarose
2008-01-02 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Jesus Christ on the Dance Floor with Glow Sticks.

It's teal deer mating season, isn't it? Hey, Mercutia? Want to go bow hunting? The venison tastes like ass, but get drunk enough and you can't tell!

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[info]lady7jane
2008-01-02 05:19 pm UTC (link)
the misandrist Marxist-feminist juggernaut

It's hard to believe, but I think someone has just come up with a concept that would make Juggernaut an even better character.

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[info]rudemistress
2008-01-02 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh my g0d. I used to post on that site, way back when. And I could paint all their deer a brilliant shade of teal, too.

Shit, I feel old now.

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[info]queencallipygos
2008-01-02 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Dave Sim has always reminded me of Wilhelm Reich in a way: everyone generally agrees that they did go crazy, it's just that no one can completely agree when they did.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-01-03 10:37 am UTC

flightstothesea
2008-01-02 10:20 pm UTC (link)
Note to self: add "oppress the male gender moar" to day planner. Perhaps right after lunch tomorrow.

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[info]shaysdays
2008-01-03 12:02 am UTC (link)
Can I say how HILARIOUS it is that Dave Sim is inspiring all this now? It's like, the longest incubation period ever for teal fawns.

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