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pepperlandgirl4 ([info]pepperlandgirl4) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-01-07 23:19:00


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Entry tags:person: cassie edwards, plagiarism

First We Stole Their Land---Now Cassie Edwards Steals Their Prose
Or Raccoon Penis Quill Wank.
ETA: Part 4
Cassie Edwards lifted passages from 1930 Pulitzer Prize Winner Laughing Boy.


ETA: THE RETURN: Signet responds. Don't worry. It's not "really" plagiarism because it's not copyright infringement. Cassie Edwards responds in an AP Article. It can't be plagiarism. She didn't know it was wrong. Fortunately, as per her publisher, it wasn't wrong.

I wasn't sure if I should put this here or OTF_Wank, but I figure since the Anne Rice wank shows up here, I'd go with F_W. If it's wrong, my deepest apologies.

Earlier today, Smart Bitch Candy makes a rather serious accusation about popular romance novelist Cassie Edwards. If you don't know the name, she's the author of over 100 books, including such classics as Savage Winds. Candy gave her friend a book called Shadow Bear, and her friend immediately did what professors across the country do every day--notice a huge discrepancy in writing styles and suspect something strange is afoot at the Circle K.

Cassie Edwards is a plagiarist.



Here's a brief example of what they found:


"I read that ferrets stalk and kill prairie dogs during the night. Using their keen sense of smell and whiskers to guide them through pitch-black burrows, ferrets suffocate the sleeping prey, an impressive feat considering the two species are about the same weight," Shiona said, shivering at the thought, for to her one animal was as cute and precious as the next. It was a shame that any had to die to sustain the other. Shadow Bear p. 221


Compared to...

Ferrets stalk and kill prairie dogs during the night. Using their keen sense of smell and whiskers to guide them through pitch-black burrows, ferrets clamp a suffocation bite on their sleeping prey -- an impressive feat, considering that the two species are about the same weight."Toughing it Out in the Badlands," Defenders Magazine, Summer 2005.


But her fangrrrls aren't taking this sitting down!


This author has thousands of readers who are loyal fans.

You people are sick. Are your lives so pathetic that you have to single people out and attack them?

Do you even know any of these authors that you are always attacking?

Maybe you should get to know some of them before you go around bashing them.

You may think this is funny and makes you look good. It doesn’t! All it does is show what kind of evil person you are.

Instead of trashing people and their work promote a charity, or do something nice.

I’ve yet to meet anyone who has said anything nice about your website or the people on it.

This might be from the same person, though it's difficult to tell.

You people need to get lives! Shame on you for attacking authors the way you do.


The name of your website tells exactly what kind of people you are!

One day someone is going to sue you and when it happens a lot of people are going to be very happy!



People are shocked/angry/outraged at this discovery, but things don't get terribly wanky until the comments in post 4. Yes, there are four posts so far detailing the huge amount of plagiarism.

That's when Jenny Cruisie and her friends start accusing Candy and Sarah of using Cassie Edwards as a scapegoat. It begins in the 2nd post with this Here’s a question I’ve been meaning to ask for a long time: Did Cassie Edwards run over your dog? . Most people don't appreciate Crusie's tone--is that all she really has to say to such wide-scale plagiarism--and heats up from there. Crusie elaborates:


So when I saw another “Cassie Edwards, ohmygod” post, the fact that it was about plagiarism is not what annoyed me first, it was that it was another shot at Cassie Edwards, discovered because people were reading her to make fun of her again. She plagiarized, I hope she goes down for it. But she doesn’t deserve the constant humiliation this site heaps on her, nobody does.



It's okay to point out plagiarism, but don't humiliate the woman who stole from countless sources!

FTR, there are more posts praising Crusie at Smart Bitches than there are posts criticizing Edwards.
Wait! This is a witch hunt! Now I wonder if Edwards weighs as much as a duck?

I’m no fan of Cassie Edwards, or of plagiarism, but neither am I comfortable with the witch hunt tone of these postings. Is Candy disillusioned by Edwards, or by romance in general? She’s complained about the genre being too predictable and seemed to dislike JR Ward partly because her books are popular. Is this like high school, where everything commercial isn’t cool?
(ETA: I didn't mean to imply this particular quote came from Crusie. It came from "Jill Sorenson")

ETA: She's not above plagiarizing herself.

From Savage Obsession, 2006:
“It was the most attractive lodge in the village, a long narrow structure of handsomely fashioned bark. The ends were beautifully rounded and the roof gracefully arched. The snow-white birchbark sides were decorated with striking totemic designs in brilliant but harmonious colors.”

From Savage Torment, 2007:
“This lodge, the Chippewas’ council house, was a long, narrow structure, handsomely fashioned of bark and appearing to be sixty feet or more in length and about twenty feet wide. The ends were beautifully rounded and the roof gracefully arched. The snow-white birchbark sides were decorated with striking totemic designs in brilliant but harmonious colors. Slow spirals of smoke rose from four smoke-holes and an Indian stood guard on each side of its front door.”

I imagine this isn't going to go away for awhile. I, for one, eagerly await Cassie's response. Or the response from her publisher--they have been notified by Candy.


ETA: But wait! There's more!

ETA 2: As seen at SBTB. The guy she ripped off? One Charles Alexander Eastman. If you don't recognize the name, you can find out more here. Including the interesting fact that he helped to found the Boy Scouts of America in 1910.


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[info]doomsday
2008-01-08 09:17 am UTC (link)
I love Nora Roberts's comment:
I’ll say something nice about this site.

It’s interesting and informative, and very often fun.

Reporting isn’t bashing, and very often reporting isn’t nice.

I don’t know Cassie, and would never bash her. But I will bash, again and again, the act of any writer copying another’s work--and calling the work his/her own.

Tolerating it or defending it isn’t standing up for the writer, it’s standing up for the act of copying.

I can never understand why anyone would do so--but having been copied, my pov is pretty firm on the issue.


Cat Romance writer fight!

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[info]aewgliriel
2008-01-08 09:36 am UTC (link)
Nora Roberts was involved with a huge plagiarism scandal a few years ago; I think she was the one ripped off. Some author took huge chunks absolutely verbatim and put them in her own book.

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[info]wook77
2008-01-08 09:39 am UTC (link)
Janet Dailey was the plagiarist and she did it in multiple books, if I'm remembering correctly.

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[info]aewgliriel
2008-01-08 09:41 am UTC (link)
I only peripherally paid attention to that, but I'd just the week before the news hit read one of Nora's books that was copied, which was probably the only reason I noticed the headline. But yes, it was at least two books, and IIRC, she claimed mental illness or depression or something as an excuse for why she did it.

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(no subject) - [info]aewgliriel, 2008-01-08 09:45 am UTC

[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-08 06:39 pm UTC (link)
I remember that! Was it only Nora Roberts she ripped off? I think it was other people also.

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(no subject) - [info]wook77, 2008-01-09 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2008-01-09 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2008-01-14 11:46 am UTC

[info]doomsday
2008-01-08 09:41 am UTC (link)
Ouch, that really sucks. Do you know what ended up happening to the plagiarizer?

(I wasn't being sarcastic about loving her comment, btw. I realize now it sort of sounds that way. It was pretty badass of her to go in there and say that in response to Cruise's asshattery.)

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[info]aewgliriel
2008-01-08 09:43 am UTC (link)
I didn't think you were being sarcastic, I thought her reply was awesome, too. :D I was just elaborating on why she was so vehement about it.

I don't recall what the punishment was, but I know they sued the pants off her.

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(no subject) - [info]wook77, 2008-01-08 03:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seanchaigirl, 2008-01-08 04:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]karmyn75, 2008-01-09 07:41 pm UTC

[info]anarchicq
2008-01-08 09:41 am UTC (link)
It’s interesting and informative, and very often fun.
I read 'informative' as 'transformative' and thought "Dear God how did OTW get involved in THIS?!"

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[info]brown_betty
2008-01-08 06:28 pm UTC (link)
I read "informative" as "inoffensive" and thought "...you're thinking of some other site, I'm pretty sure."

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-08 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Actually Nora Roberts doesn't allow fanfic. (At least, her name was on ff.net's "no write" list last I checked.) That's the only thing I can really say against her though, and I imagine she has legal reasons for it. She's a class act as far as I've always heard and she's a quality writer even if I have really narrow preferences as far as romance.

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[info]brennalarose
2008-01-08 02:39 pm UTC (link)
YAY! Go Nora!

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Nora Roberts is made of win and awesome
[info]chvickers
2008-01-08 06:33 pm UTC (link)
I love that woman.

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[info]ladysphinx
2008-01-08 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Her J.D. Robb persona is also her street-fightin' copyright-enforcin' superhero alter-ego.

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iwanttobeasleep
2008-01-08 09:23 pm UTC (link)
I think I might have to go pick up one of Nora Robert's books now. The romance genre always annoyed me, and as such the number of romance books she writes annoys me, but that is made of awesome.

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[info]churri
2008-01-08 11:45 pm UTC (link)
You might want to try the "In Death" series she writes as JD Robb -- they've got a heavy mystery component, and the heroine Eve is unquestionably awesome.

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[info]hurricane
2008-01-09 04:40 am UTC (link)
An echo for the In Death series. It follows one character for...gawd, 25+ books now? Not her sisters. Not her cousins. Her. And her makeshit family, and her lovah, and it can be really funny and HOW ARE DEAD HOOKERS IN THE FIRST BOOK NOT MADE OF UTTER WIN?!

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[info]singe
2008-01-09 07:30 pm UTC (link)
'Makeshit' family? Best new-word typo ever!

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(no subject) - [info]hurricane, 2008-01-09 07:57 pm UTC

[info]squeakytoy
2008-01-09 05:52 am UTC (link)
Thirded. The best part? The dialogue once she gets the secondary protagonist characters in there!

Peabody is made of WIN.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2008-01-09 08:12 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm not into romance novels at all, but this lady sounds seriously kickass. I'm not going to start reading her books, but yeah. Newfound respect and all.

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[info]risha
2008-01-09 11:09 pm UTC (link)
If you want to try something more traditionally romance too, this is one of my favorites.

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[info]hurricane
2008-01-10 05:44 am UTC (link)
BATMAN.

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(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-10 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hurricane, 2008-01-11 05:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-11 05:49 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-11 06:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2008-01-14 11:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-15 06:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2008-01-15 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-15 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2008-01-15 08:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-01-15 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2008-01-14 11:49 am UTC

[info]schmoo999
2008-01-11 04:07 pm UTC (link)
I say try the In Death series too...not heavy into the romance, mystery books set in the future...Evie is made of win. Easy to read and throughly enjoyable books.

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[info]kerryblaze
2008-01-08 09:41 pm UTC (link)
I don't feel so bad now that one of Nora Roberts' books (can't remember the title) was one of the only romance books that I ever really liked.

Now I can't wait to get home and look up the title!

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[info]yotz_fen
2008-01-09 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Wasn't Nora Roberts plagiarized a few years ago by Janet Daily (or someone else, I forget who, but there was old skool wank about it). Little wonder she's not warm and fuzzy about this sort of thing.

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[info]rustybitch
2008-01-14 02:39 am UTC (link)
She was.
The whole issue was settled out of court, JD excused her actions with some mysterious mental condition that caused her to involuntarily copy other peoples work and also, her dog had just died. I shit you not.

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