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Not Actually My Rainbow Princess Diary ([info]arionhunter) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-01-22 09:04:00
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Each brand new day is another opportunity for John Byrne to be a crazy asshole.
Found via CBR's Lying in the Gutters.

Over at the Byrne boards, member John Wyatt makes a post in their One More Day thread.

"I have all sorts of new comments to make about the past page of comments on this thread...but right now I just don't have them in me.

Right now I want to make a comment about those that are saying how terrible that Peter would make a deal of any kind with Mephisto, even for Aunt May's life.

At 6:20 this morning I got a phone call. A bad one that I have been waiting for. My mother passed today.

I wish Mephisto would show up in real life. I am just some guy. I always looked at the charachter of Peter Parker much the same way. I really do understand right now what someone would do to have just One More Day. So I DO understand that part of the story."

People express their sympathies until Byrne shows up with: "No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much "trouble" I will get into for this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment.

Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a comicbook story?

There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express my disgust."

And they're off with recollections of past internet psuecides, questions of getting the devil to revive your dead family members, and if Byrne was rude. A fan warns Byrne that his comment may affect the sales of a new work he has coming out, and then it's time for, "Is Byrne just off his rocker or off his rocker and a bad writer?" Byrne submits many lovely example of crazy, constructed like mental magnetic poetry put together by an intelligent monkey.

A fine example: "3 lines tell 3 stories (none of these are me calling you names)

"Anal boy"

"Fuckface"

"then you are a complete asshole"

••

Out of context, like so many of the "Bad Byrne Stories"? Indeed they do.

But probably not the one you want."

After which the discussion devolves into if these are sentences or not.

There's even possibly facetious Godwin's! "Chad, you may laugh, but aside for a few minor differences, this board is exactly like Nazi Germany in 1935."

We wrap up with arguing over if a guy who printed out condolences for a forum member from members and delivered them at his relative's funeral is "the Anti-Byrne, immortalized for His One Good Deed."

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[info]sisterelwood
2008-01-22 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Wow... Not cool of the guy to equate his grandma with the comic but wow is Byrne bat-shit insane.

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[info]brennalarose
2008-01-22 06:10 pm UTC (link)
*blink* Well, okay, that's...wow. Yeah.

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[info]omega
2008-01-22 06:12 pm UTC (link)
but aside for a few minor differences, this board is exactly like Nazi Germany in 1935

Yes, exactly like Nazi Germany. Exactly.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-22 06:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure whether to hope they do have concentration/death camps just so that they aren't implying the Holocaust was a "minor difference."

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[info]seca
2008-01-22 08:19 pm UTC (link)
If it makes you feel any better as it's only 1935 Nazi Germany and at that time Jews only had all their civil rights taken away and concentration camps were mainly just for political prisoners.

Of course how a forum about comic books could be like an oppressive racist regime is beyond me and well into the realm of complete and utter fail.

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[info]ladypeyton
2008-01-22 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Meh. Byrne's said crazier and I even agree with him a little. I groaned and winced reading the OPs anecdata.

I have a *tremendous* problem with the idea that someone would trade their *marriage* for more life for an elderly relative. It's a fundamentally creepy idea.

That said I have to admit I've been reading Brand New Day. *hangs head in shame*

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[info]dragonfangirl
2008-01-22 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Chad, you may laugh,

And I will. Oh, I will.

My name isn't Chad though.

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[info]singe
2008-01-22 07:17 pm UTC (link)
The OP lost me immediately with his "My mother died and it relates to comics in this way," tribute.

But this from Byrne... Are some going to grab hold of this now and run around shouting and screaming with it? Of course. They have nothing else to do with their lives....is golden.

Everyone loses!



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(Anonymous)
2008-01-22 07:40 pm UTC (link)
But his mother died... I wonder if he has seen a mass grave too?

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[info]singe
2008-01-22 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Has the media twisted his reality? (I'd say a certain media has, yes.)

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[info]platedlizard
2008-01-23 04:11 am UTC (link)
Has he ever heard of Vivaldi?

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[info]rowanberries
2008-01-23 03:27 pm UTC (link)
And is he interrogating the speech bubbles from the wrong perspective?

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-22 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so the dude's mom died and he's dealing by relating it to comic books. Wouldn't be my way of coping, but at that point, whatever gets you through is what gets you through, you know? That guy's not an asshole, he's just a little strange, and having a very bad no good time of it at the moment. He's not hurting anybody.

Byrne, though, has to point out how much better he is than this slightly pathetic dead-mom-having comic book boy, by shitting all over his comment for no good reason OTHER than to demonstrate clearly that he, Byrne, is a superior human being.

What a narcissistic dickhead.

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-01-22 08:07 pm UTC (link)
When my mother died part of what I needed to do was to write about her on the place I hung out the most- in my case, an AOL Garden Chat board. It happens. What people do in the first dislocation of grief is what they do, and it doesn't necessarily make a whole lot of external sense. Yes, it's an attention getting device, but, you know, sometimes people just actually need some attention.

John Byrne is an asshole, and it's no wonder he's such a sucktastic writer if he hasn't observed that little fact about the way people react to death. And confronting the guy on the board instead of going "meh, lame" and passing by is the core of wank.

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-01-22 08:08 pm UTC (link)
And the mouse and I are of one mind, I see.

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-22 08:15 pm UTC (link)
The things is, he said he had been waiting for the phone call, so it sounds like his mother was ill for a long time. It's not like he got a call that she got hit by a bus and his first thought was "Now I have something to share with the comics board!"

Maybe I have too much sympathy for a wierd guy, but I also like to think dead people get taken away by a guy with a scythe who rides a horse named Binky.

(OK, I know that they don't but he seems to know that Mephisto doesn't exist either.)

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-01-22 08:27 pm UTC (link)
My dad was sick for three years before he died, in and out of the hospital on an average of twice a month, : complications of diabetes, congestive heart failure, leukemia, you name it, he was dying of it. We knew he could go any day, we just didn't know it would be that day.

Mom was healthy right up to about two hours before she died- served Christmas dinner for fourteen people the day before, in fact.

It's never not a surprise, it's not easier either way (although given the choice, I want to do the surprise ending thing, myself).

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-22 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh, definitely, I didn't mean that it doesn't hurt if you're expecting it. I just mean that this guy had probably been comtemplating his mom's death for a long time before the actual phone call came, so I can even more understand him posting to that board not long after comparing it to a comic character.

My mom wasn't in such great health, but when she actually died it was very sudden. At least I knew it was quick. For myself... I've never thought about it.

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[info]solar_type_star
2008-01-22 09:46 pm UTC (link)
Remember kids, if you don't die suddenly, it doesn't count.

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[info]mister_terrific
2008-01-22 09:48 pm UTC (link)
But if you do, it's double points.

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[info]solar_type_star
2008-01-22 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Die right now and get a free discount on Hell years!

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-23 12:44 am UTC (link)
I'm really sorry my comment is being taken that way.

All I meant was that he'd been contemplating this fact for some time, so I can see why he thought of the comics board so shortly after it happened.

I'm sorry if I made it sounds like only sudden death is tragic, and apparently it did sound that way, but I don't think that at all.

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[info]solar_type_star
2008-01-23 01:17 am UTC (link)
That's all right, and I actually agree with you. Unfortunately, the thirst for snark is sometimes too strong to bear.

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-01-23 01:34 am UTC (link)
That's fair. Snark is a good thing. I shall face the snark and... something something something.

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[info]solar_type_star
2008-01-23 01:41 am UTC (link)
... and prevail!

(Like England.)

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[info]pipssister
2008-01-23 03:10 am UTC (link)
I got to say I agree; and I've called people out before for using personal tragedy to win an argument. The guy sounds to me like he's being low key and not very wanky about it.

But then again, when you've seen people pop into a conversation about Terry Schiavo and go "Don't feel sorry for her! I lost two relatives this past year and nobody's feeling for ME!" or people go "I've been raped and I hope YOU GET RAPED TOO because you didn't agree with what I had to say!" you get jaded.

... Nah, John Byrne is still an asshole.

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[info]zillah975
2008-01-23 06:19 am UTC (link)
Agreed completely. And sometimes it's just that the places we turn to are the communities we feel a part of. When my mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, the first place I talked about it was on LJ with friends who couldn't see me if I was crying and freaking out. I still say a lot of the reason I love Buffy and SPN is because of evil you can kill, relating it directly -- because it's directly related -- to not being able to kill the disease that's taking my mom from me. I don't think it's weird that he would do something like that with his mom's death.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-26 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I agree. First thing I did when my mom died suddenly (well, second thing- first thing I did was cry for a couple hours) was run to the official Creatures forums, which were my main community at the time. There's nothing wrong with reaching out for support.

(woo-hoo, anon comments are back! ♥)

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[info]joye
2008-01-22 09:51 pm UTC (link)
The last one I recognize as from the Lost Girls wank, but what about the first two?

He must be a sucky writer if he thinks that the English language cannot express the disgust he feels about intarweb grandstanding. I can do it in one word: WANGST.

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[info]fevered_ego
2008-01-23 05:31 am UTC (link)
I once burst into tears at my alley table during a convention because I was re-reading One Piece during a slow period and got to the part where Usopp's mom died.

It's not that my Mom was so unimportant that I could equate losing her with events in a cheesy comic book, though. It's more that every single thought that went through my head also had to go through a holy-shit-my-Mother-is-dead filter. This includes the ocean of distracting entertainments I was wallowing in at the time to try and distance myself from the epic suck that was reality. It's been 364 days since she died and I'm STILL weird about it.

Now, if dude had pulled out the dead Mom thing to prove a point and win an argument, I would be less than understanding of his situation. As it is, Byrne sucks a little bit of donkey dick.

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[info]rustybitch
2008-01-23 10:45 am UTC (link)
That Byrne guy is clearly full of asshattery and crazy, but this...

Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a comicbook story?

There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express my disgust."

...I kinda agree with.

Of course, could be the OP just used the Parker angle to open a conversation because he needed to talk about the death of his mom.

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[info]pernickety
2008-01-23 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Of course, could be the OP just used the Parker angle to open a conversation because he needed to talk about the death of his mom.

That's the vibe I'm getting.

Dealing with something as devastating as the death of a parent is difficult (stating the obvious. Go me!) It's not completely unthinkable to me that someone would cling to something they have a grip on - like this guy with a comic book story line - in order to make some sense of the situation.

And a plea for a bit of sympathy as well of course, which most people would hope for in his situation.

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[info]rat
2008-01-25 10:22 am UTC (link)
That is one of the finest examples of Godwins I've ever seen. Ahh, there's nothing like a fresh batch of stupidity to cheer you up.

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