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Milkshake (milkshake) wrote in fandom_wank,
@ 2003-07-30 15:05:00

Current mood:	energetic
Entry tags:	anime/manga, she admitted it!, social experiment, sub vs. dub

Oh for the love of...
Your standard "DUBS R TEH SUXX0RZ" argument -- now with 50% more wank!

This happens every week on anime, folks. Why haven't I removed this community from my friends list yet?

Edit: boxgirl admits to trolling. Because the anime community really needs help to be wanky. Urk.

Edit: Watch as others congratulate boxgirl for starting a flamewar on the Internet. WOWOWOW.

Edit: It's now LJ Drama. How nice for the little attention whore. Here is the obligatory "so happy to be on LJ Drama ~~totally crying now~~" post.

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	rowan 2003-07-30 11:22 pm UTC (link)
	Damn, beaten to it! I will admit, though, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone really, REALLY go off about all translated manga ever. O_o The standard "dubs are evil" is far more common. I think this counts as a wank sub-species! tags it Now we can track the strange and bewdyful bugger. (Reply to this)

	mynxkittie 2003-07-30 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	Get this girl some weed, stat. (Reply to this)

iczer6
2003-07-30 11:35 pm UTC (link)

>>i cannot for the life of me understand why people would want to buy translated manga. what kind of fans are these, who claim to dream of a pilgrimage to the Holy Land of the Rising Sun, but are too lazy to try to learn the language.>>

As the icons states BITCH PLEASE!

Holy shit, God forbid people have things like LIVES, JOBS, disabilities, or the simple fact that there might not be a Japanese class nearby.

I had no IDEA I was an uncoth heathen simply because I can't speak Japanese. I mean it's not like I had horrible time simply passing high school French, it's not like I doubt there's a college in my area that HAS that course, and it's certainly not that I have either the time, or the money to actually do.

I want to set this person on fire and then beat them with a BIG stick.

Icz

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rowan
2003-07-30 11:43 pm UTC (link)

and SO WHAT if you're too stupid to read hiragana? are there not enough resources online for you? are there not enough translations and chapter summaries to fulfill all your needs for the rest of your life and beyond?

Emphasis mine. But uh. Translations.

So... translations by fans TEH GOOD!!!!11111
Translations by professional companies TEH EVAL!!!!!111

...

I'm sure that the Japanese mangaka are so happy to know that translating their words into English somehow automatically invalidates it and makes it not 'the real thing'.

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iczer6, 2003-07-30 11:49 pm UTC

Totally not about the subject at hand. -

ruaki, 2003-07-31 08:45 am UTC

Re: Totally not about the subject at hand. -

rowan, 2003-07-31 08:38 pm UTC

Re: Totally not about the subject at hand. -

ruaki, 2003-08-01 04:10 am UTC

	rann 2003-07-31 02:51 pm UTC (link)
	No, not a stick. With the stick, there's a vague chance you might put the fire out. Toss on the occasional firecracker, that'll do it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	technobadger 2003-07-30 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not sure which irks me more. Her posturing and elitist attitude... Or the fact she admitted to trolling. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	technobadger 2003-07-30 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	I mean, if you're going to be wanktastically passionate about something, at least make it genuine. Ok, I'm really done now. Damn I'm easily irritated today. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rann, 2003-07-31 02:53 pm UTC

	milkshake 2003-07-30 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	Like the anime community needs help to be wanky. :P This will be added to my entry now. Thanks for having the patience to look through this pile of crazeh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rowan, 2003-07-30 11:54 pm UTC

technobadger, 2003-07-31 12:03 am UTC

technobadger, 2003-07-30 11:56 pm UTC

	greekhoop 2003-07-30 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	Haha! I used to see this wank every couple of months in Les Mis fandom. Someone: "Which translation of the novel do you guys think is the best?" Someone else: "TRANSLATIONS SUX! U R SOOO PLEBE! U MUST REED ALL 1200 PGZ IN TEH FRECHIES!" There's a moral to this story, but I don't know hiragana so I guess I'm too stupid to figure out what it is. Darn. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rann 2003-07-31 02:54 pm UTC (link)
	Someone else: "TRANSLATIONS SUX! U R SOOO PLEBE! U MUST REED ALL 1200 PGZ IN TEH FRECHIES!" There's a moral to this story, but I don't know hiragana so I guess I'm too stupid to figure out what it is. Darn. You're giving up on learning hiragana? Guess you do know French after all. DUCKS! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2003-07-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	...she's kidding, right? Or she's just an elaborate troll. Because GOD FORBID NOT EVERYBODY IS BILINGUAL like some cultures are. snerk The only thing that pisses me off more than fangirls are the elitists who think they're s0 3dgy for watching fansubs and raw anime. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iris 2003-07-31 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, some cultures are just so far ahead in the language arena. I mean, how can we ever hope to compare? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	darthhellokitty 2003-07-31 12:04 am UTC (link)
	Coincidentally, my SO's new hobby is taking beginning Japanese classes at the local community college... I'm trying to convince him that intrepreting pr0n for me counts as studying. :-) (Reply to this)

quinctia
2003-07-31 12:54 am UTC (link)

Actually, in my experience, translating works from their original language yourself...you lose the meaning of the work, you concentrate on the little stupid things, and you start HATING the author.

Or at least, that's what happened with me an' Virgil when he decided to stop using verbs in sentences. And me an' ol' Julius Caesar when he kept referring to himself in the third person.

The poetry was easier, since it's easier to "think" in a language in small chunks, so manga probably isn't quite as bad. But...it takes a lot of concentration, and I think language is a fairly easy subject. O.o If you make your fun into homework, you have to find new fun.

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	xylona 2003-08-03 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	:pokes head up belatedly: On the one hand, translating Latin is indeed annoying, especially when the author is playing 'hide-the-verb'. On the other hand, when you've got to take a language, translating the Aeneid is a helluva lot more fun than French dialogues. :back to lurkdom: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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quinctia, 2003-08-03 11:06 pm UTC

xylona, 2003-08-03 11:09 pm UTC

chash
2003-07-31 01:06 am UTC (link)

SIT down with a book and a dictionary and realize that it's a stupid PHONETIC language. want a challenge? learn chinese. memorize a few thousand characters and THEN tell me japanese is hard. few comics are ever written in pure kanji, and most of the fearsome kanji have itty bitty little kana next to them to help the dimwits learn. for all this love of art and culture i sure don't see a lot of incentive to work at a vocabulary beyond Ramen and Kimono.

Erm... for someone who knows Japanese, she strangely unaware of that fact that one can know all the hiragana AND katakana and still not have a fucking clue what any of what they're reading means. I can read every manga I have and still not understand the vast majority of it, even after a year of Japanese classes You need a lot of vocabulary to read manga, and it's funky vocabulary that most Japanese classes aren't going to teach you because they're dealing with situations that might come up in business, not tentacle rape. And having a translation to compare with? That's a good thing. Christ.

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rikoshi
2003-07-31 01:27 am UTC (link)

The bitch also doesn't seem to take into account that not all manga uses furigana with their kanji. For starters, Azumanga Daioh doesn't, and that's a pretty popular one, in my estimate. I also own a few other, less well known manga (if you know Ginga or Weed by Takahashi Yoshihiro) that have a lot of raw kanji.

I can read Japanese because I've studied it for years. I studied Japanese because I wanted to learn Japanese. I did not do it because of anime and manga; that's just a nice side benefit of the hard work and effort I put into it. For most people, anime and manga are just simple hobbies that shouldn't require a lot of effort. Let the fans enjoy what the enjoy and come off your high horse, bitch.

Seriously, I love these people who think that anything Japanese is AUTOMATICALLY SUPERIOR and anything Western is AUTOMAGICALLY INFERIOR. And referring to Japan as the Holy Land... Three words for you:

Rape of Nanking.

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dawnswalker, 2003-07-31 02:17 am UTC

rikoshi, 2003-07-31 02:19 am UTC

irk, 2003-08-01 04:05 am UTC

eljuno, 2003-07-31 04:24 am UTC

virago, 2003-07-31 05:26 pm UTC

pandap, 2003-07-31 10:36 pm UTC

shoiryu, 2003-07-31 04:51 am UTC

jyuu, 2004-01-30 03:57 am UTC

rikoshi, 2004-01-30 05:42 am UTC

eljuno
2003-07-31 04:14 am UTC (link)

That was the moment I started banging my head against the wall...ARGH!

A book and a dictionary, you say? Well, that's just brilliant, you might get the WORDS down, but given all the ways the Japanese language doesn't map onto English very well, it's not going to help you a whole hell of a lot.

I mean, on top of everything else, it's a SOV language (Subject/Object/Verb) so the sentences don't play out the way you want them to...

And all sorts of different things. Jesus, Japanese is NOT an easy language, and there are some people who just can't learn languages PERIOD. It's not their skill.

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chash, 2003-07-31 07:01 am UTC

	0ff-wank-topic but on-post topic: irk 2003-08-01 04:02 am UTC (link)
	It would be really neat if one of those anime publishing companies put out a special japanese dictionary that covered words commonly found in manga and anime and specifically geared as a translation aid. Because even though it would spread the retarded use of fangirl japanese even more, it would be helpful enough, IM0, to be worth it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	virago 2003-07-31 01:18 am UTC (link)
	I'm going to watch a shitload of dubbed anime tonight in her honor. I can drool over two voice actors per character, beeyotch! Beat that. (Reply to this)(Thread)

feenix, 2003-07-31 02:11 am UTC

rikoshi, 2003-07-31 02:17 am UTC

kerikeri, 2003-07-31 03:33 am UTC

shoiryu, 2003-07-31 04:47 am UTC

virago, 2003-07-31 04:56 am UTC

anriko, 2003-08-01 03:26 am UTC

iris, 2003-07-31 07:02 am UTC

rann, 2003-07-31 02:58 pm UTC

nekoneko, 2003-07-31 05:50 am UTC

rann, 2003-07-31 02:59 pm UTC

rann, 2003-07-31 02:57 pm UTC

irk, 2003-08-01 05:56 am UTC

	dawnswalker 2003-07-31 02:22 am UTC (link)
	Well then. I guess we'll all just have to lock ourselves in our rooms and slavishly devote ourselves to learning languages which we may not necessarily have any practical use for, because it will make us "true fans". Or we can point and laugh. (Reply to this)(Thread)

rikoshi, 2003-07-31 02:23 am UTC

rann, 2003-07-31 03:01 pm UTC

shoiryu
2003-07-31 03:35 am UTC (link)

I speak childish Japanese. I can read hiragana and katakana. Guess what? I have no problem with dubs, as long as someone put some effort into 'em. In some cases, I actually prefer the dub- Cowboy Bebop, and Trigun.

People really will just bitch about anything, won't they? :D Silly children!

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rann, 2003-07-31 03:03 pm UTC

irk, 2003-08-01 06:01 am UTC

	Yes! braidedbaka 2003-07-31 05:07 am UTC (link)
	At last, a wank I got to be involved in. pats herself on the back, then slits her wrists (Reply to this)(Thread)

rann, 2003-07-31 03:09 pm UTC

braidedbaka, 2003-08-01 12:34 am UTC

irk, 2003-08-01 06:08 am UTC

	technobadger 2003-07-31 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	If anyone cares, this chick has just made LJDrama. Well shucks, now she's really arrived. Stupid troll. (Reply to this)

Re: Her making LJ Drama

rann
2003-08-03 01:13 pm UTC (link)

Look, now the wank is wanking! Boxgirl is wanking the LJ Drama posting, and the LJ Drama crew is wanking her wank of the LJ Drama posting!
(Personally, I don't think much of LJ Drama... though I know most people probably think the same of Fandom_Wank. Except that I've never heard anyone use "You should make it onto Fandom_Wank!" to declare themselves the winner of an argument. c.c;)

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rann, 2003-08-03 01:17 pm UTC

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