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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-02-06 03:13:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, this is the wank that never ends

Old Faithful returns
Just one thing, but it's that good. Via [info]auralan: "RDR Books' side wanted, as part of their discovery, to get copies of JKR's notes that she's already prepared for her own encyclopedia! Why? Because JKR says she's writing one and they need this as proof of that."

Application granted in part. Plaintiffs are to provide defendants with copies of the statements contained in the publications [[info]auralan: "They get copies of the magazines/interviews where JKR said she was planning to write the encyclopedia"] listed in plaintiffs response to Interrogatory 3(a) (ii) by February 8, 2008. Defendant has not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling's notes would be helpful to Defendant's position [Judge Robert P. Patterson: "LOL NO"].


Oh, and RDR Books has also started a blog. At least... they're trying to.

ETA: JKR/WB respond:

JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, let alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court”.... JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose other than to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”


ETA 2, from [info]weyrlady: "SVA has sent a letter to Ansible, a *very* popular fanzine run out of England by Dave Langford. Dave published it here." Short version: The print edition of the Lexicon differs greatly from the website--the material was expanded condensed* and the extensive quoting was minimized and it's legal. Also, JKR hates freedom.

* Wait, condensed? "The entries on the website provide much more detailed and complete information than the entries in the book. We took the information on the site and did a lot of editing, condensing, and in some cases complete rewriting." So... the free resource is... better than the one you have to pay for.

Also: "You and I are part of a subculture that lives off the creative work of others. We always try to do that in a legal and respectful way."

ETA 3, via [info]lidane: RDR Books Files Response to JKR/WB in Lexicon Suit. TLC: "There are in all declarations from six people and several hundred papers of exhibits, most of which are copies of text from books (including almost the entire Lexicon book)." Points of interest:

1. "It says Rapoport called Vander Ark after reading about him in an article, and Vander Ark expressed interest in publishing a book version of the website. Rapoport said he thought the A-Z index was the best part to publish."

2.  Six examples of other Harry Potter guides are listed, showing that it is "far too late" for JKR to be the "first to publish" an encyclopedia. I believe the first one listed is the one the Lexicon accused (with good reason, as previously discussed in ETA 1) of plagiarizing their site. TLC: "These six [are counted] as the ones that had 'especially striking similarities to the Lexicon in both format and content: At first flush, (a) appears to be out of print or unavailable on Amazon, (b) is about 2/3rds non-encyclopedic work, (c) seems to not be listed on Amazon, (d)’s title is actually 'An Unofficial…' etc. and (f) is a predictions book."

3. I'm just going to give you this one in its entirety: "Prof. Janet Sorensen declares in favor of RDR, and the brief says she says that 'lexicons like this one have an important and distinguished place in the literary world…it organizes a tremendous amount of information into a concise and readable form…[and] provides a significant amount of original analysis and commentary.' It also says the HPL takes information from 'painstaking collection' of Ms. Rowling’s interviews and statements, and Sorensen says it 'helps readers to construct the universe of the Potter books in their minds, to understand its rich connections to the wide world in which we live, and to encourage the impulse to imagine a universe beyond the one depicted in the books.' "

4. SVA’s declaration.

5. A summary of JKR press statements (presumably in lieu of her encyclopedia notes).

6. A new cover mockup.

And SO VERY, VERY much more.

ETA 4: From [info]sylvatica: "The NY Times article today about this case is here: A Tight Grip Can Choke Creativity. They seem to be siding with RDR books, based on fair use, but I don't know if they've visited the Lexicon website much... there's something in there about how it's mostly analysis, commentary, pointing out mistakes and such." Before I was able to update with this, Watch That Page sent an alert to the effect that RDR Books has posted this link on its front page as well.

Also, from [info]ari_o: Wank on the TLC entry, also reported by [info]pyratejenni. "Who does JK Rowling think she is, that she’s better than JRR Tolkien and Gene Roddenberry?"

ETA 5 from [info]lidaneDrama ensues as SVA and Melissa from TLC volley statements back and forth regarding the Lexicon's hosting situation.

ETA 5b: A Lexicon supporter (possible friend of SVA?) shows up to grudgewank Melissa and "subtly" tries to use FW as her flying monkeys. Recipes and snarky tags ensue.



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[info]lil_miss_stfu
2008-02-06 11:22 am UTC (link)
Wow, this lot seriously don't know when to quit, do they? I can just picture their lawyers rubbing their hands together with glee over this.

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[info]vengeance_bean
2008-02-06 11:25 am UTC (link)
What is wrong with these idiots? Would it seriously matter if JKR wasn't writing an encyclopedia of her own? My brain is all achey and my face is all squished because of it.

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2008-02-06 12:17 pm UTC (link)
I guess they wanted to see if JKR's notes contain information that can also be found on the Lexicon page, to then proceed to sue her for copying from them, or something.

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(no subject) - [info]shoroko, 2008-02-06 11:28 pm UTC
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[info]lady7jane
2008-02-06 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Mr WordPress Says:

Hi, this is a comment.


Hi, Mr. WordPress!

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(no subject) - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-02-06 02:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rustybitch, 2008-02-08 06:11 pm UTC

[info]caffeine_fairy
2008-02-06 12:22 pm UTC (link)
But...why? Why would they do this?

I need more booze

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[info]entrenous88
2008-02-06 01:27 pm UTC (link)
They wanted access to all the notes she's made in the process of writing the series, and "the further material from Ms. Rowling's creative mind"? Seriously?

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-02-06 01:32 pm UTC
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[info]athersgeo
2008-02-06 01:38 pm UTC (link)
Good *GRIEF*. Do you think it takes practice to be this dumb or just a serious case of talent?

When does this thing finally come to court?

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[info]drakyndra
2008-02-06 02:14 pm UTC (link)
RDR: Plumbing new depths of FAIL.

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[info]gmth
2008-02-06 02:33 pm UTC (link)
I think this is my favorite piece of this thing so far. The sheer GALL of it is absolutely beautiful.

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(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2008-02-07 10:14 pm UTC

[info]yattara
2008-02-06 02:35 pm UTC (link)
The Fail is growing strong in this one.

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[info]major_dallas
2008-02-06 02:40 pm UTC (link)
WOW... I mean WOW, talk about Balls...

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[info]shinga
2008-02-06 03:13 pm UTC (link)
What the hell...? Seriously?

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[info]isntitironic
2008-02-06 03:49 pm UTC (link)
What? What the hell are they hoping to accomplish? Just... what?

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2008-02-06 04:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2008-02-06 05:20 pm UTC

[info]blackmamba
2008-02-06 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, this is the most stunning example of entitlement so far, and THAT IS SAYING SOMETHING. I'm thinking of starting my own encyclopedia project, so that I can subpoena those notes for myself.

And yanno, given what has already been attempted by the defendants, if those notes had been handed over, there would be nothing to stop Steve (or anyone else) from using THEM for unauthorized companion books. Because it's not like the actual HP books being published and copyrighted is stopping them doing what they're doing now.

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2008-02-07 03:22 am UTC
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[info]metropolis22786
2008-02-06 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I laughed. For ten minutes straight.

Bah, I only have one fail icon. GET PAID ACCOUNT SO I CAN USE MORE ICONS TO ABUSE PEOPLE Y/Y?

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(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2008-02-06 05:21 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2008-02-10 01:49 am UTC
George's opinion of the wank - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-02-10 04:17 am UTC
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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2008-02-06 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I... I just... They just... what?

How do you get to fail this hard? Do you have to graduate with honours from a special International University Of Fail, or something?

Thank you so much for this, Cleo. I don't know what I'd boggle at incoherently if it wasn't for this.

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[info]abharding
2008-02-06 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Well, I suppose the logic (and I use that term in it's broadest sense) would be that as it is pretty clear that JKR encyclopedia is not going to be available for some time then SVA/RDR should be allowed to publish their book in the meantime.

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(no subject) - [info]castellated, 2008-02-07 03:48 pm UTC

[info]southerngaelic
2008-02-06 04:31 pm UTC (link)
....AbuhWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

Can someone tell me why JKR/WB/IDK(too confusing!)'s lawyers have not legally steamrolled these idiots into oblivion?

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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2008-02-06 04:43 pm UTC
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[info]beejium
2008-02-06 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Judge Robert P. Patterson: "LOL NO"

Man, I wish all court proceedings could be translated in to easy-to-understand 'net speak like this. Also, university lectures.

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(no subject) - [info]maureenlycaon, 2008-02-09 03:57 am UTC
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[info]atom_bunny
2008-02-06 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Wow - the sheer BALLS of these people...

What next? How much lower can they sink?

Bwah....

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(no subject) - [info]sandyclaws68, 2008-02-06 06:54 pm UTC

pastri_archy
2008-02-06 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Damnit I need better FAIL icons.

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[info]danceswithelvis
2008-02-06 05:30 pm UTC (link)
You know, my first thought is: "It's too fucking early for people to be this damn stupid." But, really...how do people this dumb manage to make it out of the house in the morning without dying? You'd think that they'd get distracted and forget to breath or something.

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2008-02-07 12:34 am UTC

[info]harrylovesron
2008-02-06 05:37 pm UTC (link)
LOL @ RDR

That's beautiful. And by beautiful I mean MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID.

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[info]solle
2008-02-06 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I dunno. They should get some points for trying. Or possibly cookies.

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(no subject) - [info]rustybitch, 2008-02-15 07:04 pm UTC

[info]miraba
2008-02-06 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm supposed to be working right now, so if someone else would like to type up the second paragraph of the document for inclusion on the wiki article that would be awesome.

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