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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-02-06 03:13:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, this is the wank that never ends

Old Faithful returns
Just one thing, but it's that good. Via [info]auralan: "RDR Books' side wanted, as part of their discovery, to get copies of JKR's notes that she's already prepared for her own encyclopedia! Why? Because JKR says she's writing one and they need this as proof of that."

Application granted in part. Plaintiffs are to provide defendants with copies of the statements contained in the publications [[info]auralan: "They get copies of the magazines/interviews where JKR said she was planning to write the encyclopedia"] listed in plaintiffs response to Interrogatory 3(a) (ii) by February 8, 2008. Defendant has not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling's notes would be helpful to Defendant's position [Judge Robert P. Patterson: "LOL NO"].


Oh, and RDR Books has also started a blog. At least... they're trying to.

ETA: JKR/WB respond:

JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, let alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court”.... JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose other than to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”


ETA 2, from [info]weyrlady: "SVA has sent a letter to Ansible, a *very* popular fanzine run out of England by Dave Langford. Dave published it here." Short version: The print edition of the Lexicon differs greatly from the website--the material was expanded condensed* and the extensive quoting was minimized and it's legal. Also, JKR hates freedom.

* Wait, condensed? "The entries on the website provide much more detailed and complete information than the entries in the book. We took the information on the site and did a lot of editing, condensing, and in some cases complete rewriting." So... the free resource is... better than the one you have to pay for.

Also: "You and I are part of a subculture that lives off the creative work of others. We always try to do that in a legal and respectful way."

ETA 3, via [info]lidane: RDR Books Files Response to JKR/WB in Lexicon Suit. TLC: "There are in all declarations from six people and several hundred papers of exhibits, most of which are copies of text from books (including almost the entire Lexicon book)." Points of interest:

1. "It says Rapoport called Vander Ark after reading about him in an article, and Vander Ark expressed interest in publishing a book version of the website. Rapoport said he thought the A-Z index was the best part to publish."

2.  Six examples of other Harry Potter guides are listed, showing that it is "far too late" for JKR to be the "first to publish" an encyclopedia. I believe the first one listed is the one the Lexicon accused (with good reason, as previously discussed in ETA 1) of plagiarizing their site. TLC: "These six [are counted] as the ones that had 'especially striking similarities to the Lexicon in both format and content: At first flush, (a) appears to be out of print or unavailable on Amazon, (b) is about 2/3rds non-encyclopedic work, (c) seems to not be listed on Amazon, (d)’s title is actually 'An Unofficial…' etc. and (f) is a predictions book."

3. I'm just going to give you this one in its entirety: "Prof. Janet Sorensen declares in favor of RDR, and the brief says she says that 'lexicons like this one have an important and distinguished place in the literary world…it organizes a tremendous amount of information into a concise and readable form…[and] provides a significant amount of original analysis and commentary.' It also says the HPL takes information from 'painstaking collection' of Ms. Rowling’s interviews and statements, and Sorensen says it 'helps readers to construct the universe of the Potter books in their minds, to understand its rich connections to the wide world in which we live, and to encourage the impulse to imagine a universe beyond the one depicted in the books.' "

4. SVA’s declaration.

5. A summary of JKR press statements (presumably in lieu of her encyclopedia notes).

6. A new cover mockup.

And SO VERY, VERY much more.

ETA 4: From [info]sylvatica: "The NY Times article today about this case is here: A Tight Grip Can Choke Creativity. They seem to be siding with RDR books, based on fair use, but I don't know if they've visited the Lexicon website much... there's something in there about how it's mostly analysis, commentary, pointing out mistakes and such." Before I was able to update with this, Watch That Page sent an alert to the effect that RDR Books has posted this link on its front page as well.

Also, from [info]ari_o: Wank on the TLC entry, also reported by [info]pyratejenni. "Who does JK Rowling think she is, that she’s better than JRR Tolkien and Gene Roddenberry?"

ETA 5 from [info]lidaneDrama ensues as SVA and Melissa from TLC volley statements back and forth regarding the Lexicon's hosting situation.

ETA 5b: A Lexicon supporter (possible friend of SVA?) shows up to grudgewank Melissa and "subtly" tries to use FW as her flying monkeys. Recipes and snarky tags ensue.


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[info]pyratejenni
2008-02-09 05:21 pm UTC (link)
And [info]ellid's there in the Leaky Cauldron comments, whining about how JKR LIED!!!111 so SVA and RDR are in the right.

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[info]auralan
2008-02-09 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Wow. She jumped from a legal question of rights ownership and the bounds of fair use to concluding that JKR isn't worthy to write her own encyclopedia because book seven wasn't [info]ellid's cup of tea. Then she dove straight into the greedy whore argument. That one always adds a lot of credibility to an assessment of legal issues. They should clearly bring this one in as an expert witness.

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[info]pyratejenni
2008-02-09 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh, definitely. With all the rest of the disappointed fen.

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[info]ari_o
2008-02-10 01:08 am UTC (link)
Oh God. I'm imaging the end of Miracle on 34th Street, but with disappointed shippers instead of letters to Santa being brought into the court...

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[info]snarkhunter
2008-02-10 03:24 am UTC (link)
How do suppose they'd transport them? I'm seeing these orderlies wheeling in wheelbarrows filled with shrieking Harmonians (and a handful of other 'ships that were left unfulfilled), each waving around a treatise on alchemy or something equally unimportant.

They're big wheelbarrows, but each only holds 2 Harmonians, as their entitlement complexes won't allow for more than that.

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[info]azazello
2008-02-09 10:32 pm UTC (link)
IMHO, ellid is an fandom idiot deluxe.

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