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allthat_jas ([info]allthat_jas) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-02-13 23:57:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, grudgewank, i want to be a hero on the internets, i'm just here for the recipes, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, lying liar that lies, my very firstest wank, not very subtle at all, om nom nom, please mommy make it stop, plucky girl detective, potterdammerung, recipes in comments, she admitted it!, she's on a mission guys!, sockpuppets, the classmate did it, thinks we're fandom police, this is the wank that never ends, we love jf tags, yet another entitled hp fucktard, yummeh foodz

Laptopgate II: Now With Added Condos
As an offshoot of the Lexicon wank, it appears Melissa wank has arrived.

As part of her "impartial" coverage of the lawsuit, Melissa Anelli of TLC apparently felt it necessary to qualify Steve Vander Ark's (signed under oath) statement that the advertising on the Lexicon "covers the cost of running the site" by reminding people that "The Leaky Cauldron houses and runs the Harry Potter Lexicon for zero charge, and has since it came under its current domain name. That is true as of this posting." However, on Feb 11 she admits to denying a request for the transfer of hosting.

This prompts SVA to release more detail than anyone wanted to know about the finances of the Lexicon. Quote: "If there was any income to me, it wasn't much, especially by comparison to the income other websites have earned." The "other website" he specifically mentions is MuggleNet, whose owner claims a "six-figure income" from the site. SVA doesn't mention TLC, but Melissa goes crazy.

A bit of digging reveals that TLC's finances have been discussed before over on I was a Leaky Lounge Mod. In May 2007, a mouse says: "I know for a fact that Melissa used Leaky money to buy herself a new laptop." In September 2007, Gina raised suspicions about who paid for Melissa's New York apartment ("the web provides a TON of information about purchase prices of condos which are pretty darn high to not have jobs *koff koff*") Over Sep/Oct 2007 the subject was raised again, and another mouse said:

"To take Melissa as the main example, as has been pointed out she lives in New York. That place is very expensive, not just real estate but the cost of living as well. She is in no way living off the advance on her book because let's face it, even if all her fangirls and boys buy it it's not going to be a huge best seller. The time has been and gone for that. She has left her full time job and therefore she must be taking at least a 5-6 figure salary from Leaky. If she is doing this and has deliberately registered it in a way that doesn't mean full disclosure, then that is appalling."

The matter was pretty much put to rest until Melissa forced SVA's hand. Ex-staff are pissed. Highlights:

There will continue to be no transparency about Leaky income. They've claimed for far too long that they make no money. I can only say that I actually know this to be total BS. I'd love to tell you my proof, alas I'm not able. Steve threw some stones but Melissa opened a door that, IMHO, that now begs the question of well, so, what DOES Leaky earn then?

and:

Since Melissa is bringing up money herself, she really should answer. If she is going to criticize Steve for trying to make this a full time job that she should be above that same criticism.

Arianhrod marches over to Leaky Lounge with this:

But since it doesn't appear that anyone else is going to ask the logical question, I will.

Just how much does Leaky make from all of this--in profit? Is this considered a hobby by the IRS, or is it a major source (or even sole source) of income?

And before anyone questions my audacity, Melissa has laid it out on the line and brought the subject of hosting and ad revenue costs into the open. It's no longer a private matter--the whole world now knows about it and as such this is a valid question, especially if TLC has been or gets dragged into this lawsuit.

I don't expect an answer--I do expect to get ripped to shreds, and that's fine. But at least I'm not afraid to ask.


Melissa ignores the question. Arianhrod calls her on it ("With all due respect, Melissa, that is avoiding the issue.") Melissa gets defensive.



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[info]allthat_jas
2008-02-14 06:43 pm UTC (link)
And I run two non-profits. I know how it works, but there's a difference between a legitimate salary and directors' drawings. It's generally in the interest of non-profits to operate transparently, I've tried subtle, now I'm trying not-so-subtle to see if the leaky will own up, especially as they're running a 'LeakyCon' in 2009 - people really will be paying out money for that.

And as a UK national, I don't seem to be able to request it.

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[info]waltraute
2008-02-14 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Let me get out my tiny violin for you.

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[info]puipui
2008-02-14 08:44 pm UTC (link)
I've tried subtle, now I'm trying not-so-subtle

Ah, so you're trying to use us as your not-so-subtle, is that it?

Fuck off, you grudgewanking douche-dribble.

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[info]tofuknight
2008-02-14 09:01 pm UTC (link)
So, this is really muckraking and grudgewanking?

Thanks for the confirmation, twatwaffle! Spin and get stuck!

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[info]breecita
2008-02-14 09:20 pm UTC (link)
That was refreshingly honest.

However, I'm not sure that using this community as the Fandom Police is really going to work as well as you might as hoped.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2008-02-15 12:17 am UTC (link)
I thought we were fandom priests, not fandom police. :( I always miss the important memos.

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[info]breecita
2008-02-15 12:19 am UTC (link)
That's [info]i_wank, I think.

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[info]allthat_jas
2008-02-15 10:35 am UTC (link)
Meh, I'm getting some damn good recipes out of it. And there's boobs and John Barrowman - what's not to love? ;-)

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[info]txvoodoo
2008-02-16 04:52 am UTC (link)
"what's not to love?"

You?

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[info]snacky
2008-02-14 09:59 pm UTC (link)
Here, maybe this will help you.

But if you're going to go to the IRS with requests for information because of suspected impropriety, you should have a damn sight better reason than, "But JKR hasn't sued TLC! And I insinuated she was breaking the law in an online forum and she didn't say she wasn't!" you incredibly whiny fucktard.

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[info]melisus
2008-02-14 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Do you have any idea how cons work? Yes, people pay out money to attend a con. That then makes up the budget of the con because it costs money to put the damn thing on. You don't just say, "Hey, I want to host a con! Pay me money so I can pocket it!"

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flightstothesea
2008-02-15 01:06 am UTC (link)
Unless you're Victoria Bitter.

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[info]emiweebee
2008-02-15 04:03 am UTC (link)
LOL I'M SORRY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE US WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN THE UK.

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[info]wook77
2008-02-15 04:10 pm UTC (link)
o.O I HAVE IT!

You're not a SVA fan! You're just bitter that you run not one but TWO non-profits and still can't afford a new laptop let alone a condo.

*pets*

You pooooorrrr, poooorrr, thing. I feel so awful for you now. If you save your pennies and work really hard (maybe run a third non-profit?), you'll have enough someday for at least the laptop.

Keep working, you'll get there!

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[info]allthat_jas
2008-02-15 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Lmao, I don't even try to make any money off my non-profits, doesn't bother me - I rarely even claim expenses unless they're significant. I could draw a salary (it might reach five figures...maybe) but I don't see the point as I'm still working full time, which is what paid for my new laptop...the tax man would be rubbing his hands with glee if I had two salaries.

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[info]narcissam
2008-02-15 06:04 pm UTC (link)
You're such a martyr!

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[info]wook77
2008-02-16 02:32 am UTC (link)
She really is! No wonder she has such a hate on for Melissa. After all, that bitch h0r Melissa totally expects to be paid equally for doing what it takes [info]allthat_jas three jobs to do!

Though, as a math person - if she runs two non-profits and works a full-time job, wouldn't that be three salaries, not just two?

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[info]mistressrenet
2008-02-15 11:05 pm UTC (link)
As an Ugly American, I don't seem to give a shit.

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[info]mistal
2008-02-16 12:11 am UTC (link)
You know, the other day I was thinking of organizing a free con. I figured I could do it at my house. You know, have everyone stand up shoulder to shoulder for 2-3 days. Talk about stuff, maybe run an audio tape or something. My only problem was feeding these people, I figured I could take another credit card to buy cheap bread and water bottles. Small expense, really.
Would be the best Con in the world!

Im sure the LeakyCon could try to do the same, no really.

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