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allthat_jas ([info]allthat_jas) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-02-13 23:57:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, grudgewank, i want to be a hero on the internets, i'm just here for the recipes, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, lying liar that lies, my very firstest wank, not very subtle at all, om nom nom, please mommy make it stop, plucky girl detective, potterdammerung, recipes in comments, she admitted it!, she's on a mission guys!, sockpuppets, the classmate did it, thinks we're fandom police, this is the wank that never ends, we love jf tags, yet another entitled hp fucktard, yummeh foodz

Laptopgate II: Now With Added Condos
As an offshoot of the Lexicon wank, it appears Melissa wank has arrived.

As part of her "impartial" coverage of the lawsuit, Melissa Anelli of TLC apparently felt it necessary to qualify Steve Vander Ark's (signed under oath) statement that the advertising on the Lexicon "covers the cost of running the site" by reminding people that "The Leaky Cauldron houses and runs the Harry Potter Lexicon for zero charge, and has since it came under its current domain name. That is true as of this posting." However, on Feb 11 she admits to denying a request for the transfer of hosting.

This prompts SVA to release more detail than anyone wanted to know about the finances of the Lexicon. Quote: "If there was any income to me, it wasn't much, especially by comparison to the income other websites have earned." The "other website" he specifically mentions is MuggleNet, whose owner claims a "six-figure income" from the site. SVA doesn't mention TLC, but Melissa goes crazy.

A bit of digging reveals that TLC's finances have been discussed before over on I was a Leaky Lounge Mod. In May 2007, a mouse says: "I know for a fact that Melissa used Leaky money to buy herself a new laptop." In September 2007, Gina raised suspicions about who paid for Melissa's New York apartment ("the web provides a TON of information about purchase prices of condos which are pretty darn high to not have jobs *koff koff*") Over Sep/Oct 2007 the subject was raised again, and another mouse said:

"To take Melissa as the main example, as has been pointed out she lives in New York. That place is very expensive, not just real estate but the cost of living as well. She is in no way living off the advance on her book because let's face it, even if all her fangirls and boys buy it it's not going to be a huge best seller. The time has been and gone for that. She has left her full time job and therefore she must be taking at least a 5-6 figure salary from Leaky. If she is doing this and has deliberately registered it in a way that doesn't mean full disclosure, then that is appalling."

The matter was pretty much put to rest until Melissa forced SVA's hand. Ex-staff are pissed. Highlights:

There will continue to be no transparency about Leaky income. They've claimed for far too long that they make no money. I can only say that I actually know this to be total BS. I'd love to tell you my proof, alas I'm not able. Steve threw some stones but Melissa opened a door that, IMHO, that now begs the question of well, so, what DOES Leaky earn then?

and:

Since Melissa is bringing up money herself, she really should answer. If she is going to criticize Steve for trying to make this a full time job that she should be above that same criticism.

Arianhrod marches over to Leaky Lounge with this:

But since it doesn't appear that anyone else is going to ask the logical question, I will.

Just how much does Leaky make from all of this--in profit? Is this considered a hobby by the IRS, or is it a major source (or even sole source) of income?

And before anyone questions my audacity, Melissa has laid it out on the line and brought the subject of hosting and ad revenue costs into the open. It's no longer a private matter--the whole world now knows about it and as such this is a valid question, especially if TLC has been or gets dragged into this lawsuit.

I don't expect an answer--I do expect to get ripped to shreds, and that's fine. But at least I'm not afraid to ask.


Melissa ignores the question. Arianhrod calls her on it ("With all due respect, Melissa, that is avoiding the issue.") Melissa gets defensive.



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Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-16 12:20 am UTC (link)
I started poking through this stuff to make surethat Haley and allthat_jas weren't the same person. Because for a few minutes it looked like allthat_jas might possibly be telling the truth about a friendship. The two alleged friends were on LJ at the same time, and you can find posts of allthat_jas talking about her friend Haley, who at the time had the LJ name Niuserre. Then I started noticing the odd details.

Account type: Basic Account
Date created: 2004-07-15 14:53:02
Date updated: 2005-01-13 15:10:06, 161 weeks ago

Quasi_hayley

Date created: 2003-07-02 15:07:53
Date updated: 2008-02-13 17:41:15, 2 days ago

Niuserre dropped posting in her LJ from July to November 20004. Some of the posts she made at the time are missing, but one post in early June says, "I have one more ficathon entry to post and after that, no more fic from Niu that does not, however, exempt anyone from feedbacking! ;)"

In November she made one post, not accessible. None in December.

And suddenly she's back January 30, posting new fic.

So, the entire time that allthat_jas is functioning, Niuserre/Haley is closed down.

Now, allthat_jas showed up in HP fandom in July, and according to LJ seek, this is how she started.

July 28, 2004 - http://www.ljtop.com/back_2_skool_and_other_cool_spelling_8188697.html

"I joined sortinghaticons which is owned by girlflesh who was/is partners in crime with niuserre (who misses everyone btw, and wants me to smooch you all on her behalf...I hope she means virtually)"

So, Niuserre can't communicate herself, and allthat_jas joins Niuserre's friend's icon comm. (cont'd)

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-16 12:23 am UTC (link)
August 2, 2004 - allthat_jas posts:

"I have a site that I opened a while ago. It was actually one of Niu's but now it's mine and...well its here: fiction.net">http://mwppfanfiction.net "

http://www.ljseek.com/new-old-site_8188693.html

"niuserre has said that I may get her fanfic back online since Heroic-Habits is no longer online. However, I don't have a definitive list of her fic and I know there's several stories that I've never read and have no idea where I can find them so here's my request: if anyone knows where I can find any stories by Niuserre (she may be credited as Niu, Storm Loftus or Keller), please will you comment with a URL?"

http://www.ljseek.com/niu-s-fic_8188696.html

So, she has Niusserre's friends, a place in her favourite icon community, her archive, and her fic. Just not her name.(cont'd)

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-16 12:29 am UTC (link)
When Niuserre/Hayley/allthat_jas decided to pick up the old LJ name and use it for FW, she actually did a lot of work. For one thing, Google cache shows that she defriended quasi_haley (the artist formerly known as Niussere) from her flist, between Nov. 11 and yesterday when Camilla was looking for a connection. She also deleted some other problematic links between her two identities.

One of them was a comment from 2004, in which allthat_jas signs her name Haley on a comment to a friend.

http://burntcopper.livejournal.com/264731.html?thread=352539#t352539 - Deleted Comment

Google Cache shows the comment as of Feb. 9.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:9WCEdiCVuagJ:burntcopper.livejournal.com/264731.html+allthat_jas&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=24&gl=ca

"allthat_jas wrote:

Sep. 1st, 2004 09:50 am (UTC)
Wait! Conina was Heather who was..Gunbunny?!

Wah! I would have raved about Its Been Emotional and talked Ethan/Giles with you if I'd known!!!

Hayley" (cont'd)

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-16 12:34 am UTC (link)
So that's as far as I poked about, though I bet there's more out there to be found. The original sockpuppet was a failed teenage attempt at rebranding. No problem there. But it seems like Haley/Niuserre/allthat_jas decided to take up the old sockpuppet to post on FW, and at least give the ilussion that the OP was an old-timer HP fan, one who wasn't friends with Steve Vander Ark. Haley on her LJ, after all, lists Steve VAnder Ark and Elanor as two of the ten people who make her life brighter, and she's a volunteer with Sectus.

Sectus, of course, is a Non-Profit organization, so there's one Non-profit group accounted for. (end)

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]puipui
2008-02-16 12:47 am UTC (link)
So... someone's got this post saved, right? It would be a shame to lose all the comments on this.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]sheep
2008-02-16 12:54 am UTC (link)
I have the vast majority of it, but the last time I made a save was this morning (UK).

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
sockpuppet_rat
2008-02-16 02:01 am UTC (link)
Damn, Sheep! You are a machine.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]sheep
2008-02-16 02:07 am UTC (link)
And I just saved it all again. I would like to take this moment to say that I hate you all and your collapsed threads within collapsed threads within collapsed threads.

66 damned pages!

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]allthat_jas, 2008-02-16 02:31 am UTC
Sockpuppet: EXPOSED - [info]emiweebee, 2008-02-16 03:08 am UTC
Re: Sockpuppet: EXPOSED - [info]fortheloveof22, 2008-02-16 03:22 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - flightstothesea, 2008-02-16 03:17 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]gun, 2008-02-16 03:21 am UTC
Earn correct spelling - [info]staroverthebay, 2008-02-16 03:27 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]white_serpent, 2008-02-16 03:24 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]emiweebee, 2008-02-16 03:30 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]white_serpent, 2008-02-16 04:28 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]puipui, 2008-02-16 04:32 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]tiki, 2008-02-16 06:32 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]tehrin, 2008-02-16 10:38 pm UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]julian_black, 2008-02-16 02:37 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]sheep, 2008-02-16 02:43 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]julian_black, 2008-02-16 02:51 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet - [info]sheep, 2008-02-16 03:08 am UTC
Re: Silly Sockpuppet
nam_jai
2008-02-16 02:00 am UTC (link)
To supplement what [info]sheep got, I just saved Page 3, and the two major sockpuppet threads on Page 2.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]julian_black
2008-02-16 02:06 am UTC (link)
I've almost got the whole thing. I should be done in about five more minutes...

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]cleolinda
2008-02-16 03:50 am UTC (link)
Taking the opposite tack--hoping she won't delete--I put links to all the recipes on my JF.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]limyaael
2008-02-16 12:47 am UTC (link)
Good work!

Oh, I hope she comes back. I want to see her explain all this. Perhaps it will involve UFOs.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-16 12:54 am UTC (link)
I think a better explanation would refer to How to Lie by the woman herself!

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]auralan
2008-02-16 01:58 am UTC (link)
You totally rock. *offers cookies*

This place has the best plucky girl detectives.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
flightstothesea
2008-02-16 02:19 am UTC (link)
Excellent work!

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]staroverthebay
2008-02-16 03:25 am UTC (link)
*fangirls the fucking hell out of Narcissa*

Jesus Christ, woman, did you take some lessons from [info]charlottelennox?? That is some awesome investigative digging!

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]narcissam
2008-02-19 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Jesus Christ, woman, did you take some lessons from charlottelennox??

Well, actually... Yes.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]mistressrenet
2008-02-16 03:48 am UTC (link)
You're awesome.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]snacky
2008-02-16 05:21 am UTC (link)
[info]narcissam, you archfiend. You're my favorite of the intrepid Internet Girl Detectives. ♥

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]paladin
2008-02-16 07:52 am UTC (link)
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]sunhawk
2008-02-16 09:07 am UTC (link)
Ha ha complete and utter pwnage! Excellent.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]doire
2008-02-16 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Wikipedia lists Sectus as non-profit, but its Companies House listing is as a private company limited by guarantee. I can't find any mention of Sectus on the Charity Commission website.

The Wiki information was provided by Tbmorgan74, who seems to be a long time convention information editor, on 2/10/07. It may be based soley on the existing wiki text "Sectus 2007 was run entirely by volunteers, and all proceeds went to http://www.bookaid.org/cms.cgi/site/index.htm Book Aid International,..."

If it's a charity the directors/trustees can't pay themselves except for out-of-pocket expences; as a company they can do what ever they want to do..

</not-funny>
Now you can all laugh at my HTML since JF won't provide a preview :(

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]allthat_jas
2008-02-18 05:18 pm UTC (link)
A private company limited by guarantee *is* a non-profit in this country. A charity is a separate type of company.

Sectus committee members paid for their own memberships, flights/trains, hotel rooms etc. The only expenses claimed were those for Sectus use, not personal (like printing flyers, stamps for posting receipts, etc.).

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
nam_jai
2008-02-16 12:51 am UTC (link)
"allthat_jas wrote:

Sep. 1st, 2004 09:50 am (UTC)
Wait! Conina was Heather who was..Gunbunny?!

Wah! I would have raved about Its Been Emotional and talked Ethan/Giles with you if I'd known!!!

Hayley"


And with that, the gun, it is smoking, I believe.

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Re: Silly Sockpuppet
[info]major_dallas
2008-02-16 01:38 am UTC (link)
WOW, that was SMRT, sign your name to your mate's LJ *laughs* and for a second time, you've earned Red Foremsn's assessment... or SEE ICON!

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