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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-02-28 05:42:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, person: jkr, plagiarism, this is the wank that never ends, this was no chicken

Epic burn
Previously on The Hundred Years' Wank: RDR demands to see JKR's notes, judge lols; RDR files its response; the NYT weighs in; grudgepuppet accuses TLC's Melissa of tax fraud, recipes ensue.

Leaky grudgewank hits the Times Union. Key sentence: "Fansites such as The Leaky Cauldron and Mugglenet have been selling ad space on their sites for years and some have cried fowl."* Includes wank in the comments.

* Which fowl? "TURKEY! PHEASANT! CHICKENNNN!"

And then: JKR/WB Respond in Lexicon Suit. From TLC: "This is the last filing before a hearing on March 13 to determine if a preliminary injunction will be granted. After that there still may or may not be a trial to determine if infringement has taken place." Key points:

The print version of the Lexicon is "nothing more than a recast of Ms. Rowling’s original text" and "does not create 'new information, new aesthetics, new insights and understandings' ";

"Attempts to cast it as a 'serious book' filled with 'scholarly commentary and analysis is merely an attempt to excuse blatant infringement' ";

" 'Alphabetizing' does not render a work transformative and that reorganizing work does not alone render a work in concert with fair use";

"It [...] says there is no original commentary or analysis or 'anything else rising to the level of scholarship.' It says RDR’s expert also agrees, citing the filing that says that the book’s chief point is not literary analysis";

"It counts 2,034 entries out of the book’s 2,437 entries that lift text directly from Harry Potter, and says the remainder 'merely [add] adverbs such as "unfortunately," "sadly," or "possibly" to descriptions' ";

"No plagiarist can excuse the wrong by showing how much of his work he did not pirate.” This is, by the way, the first time I recall the word "plagiarism" entering the discussion (has it come up before?). As we saw in the case of Cassie Edwards, plagiarism and copyright infringement can be, but are not always, the same thing;

"It also says that despite Steve Vander Ark claiming he used reference works, none are cited in the book or mentioned in the bibliography, and some appear to be taken from sources 'such as Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary without attribution' ";

“While there are many non-infringing books about the Series, books such as the Book are few in number and have been pulled from distribution as a result of Plaintiffs’ efforts.”

Also included:

>> JKR's declaration (in which she sticks up for fansites and is "troubled" by portrayals of the case);

>> Cheryl Klein’s declaration, which " addresses the RDR submission of a note she had written to Steve Vander Ark in 2005, complimenting his work, after the publication of Half-Blood Prince. It points out that Steve Vander Ark once said to Ms. Klein that one of the purposes of the Lexicon was to dissuade people from publishing unofficial encyclopedias, in deference to rights J.K. Rowling has reserved.... 'At no time did I ever say anything to Mr. Vander Ark to suggest that it would be acceptable for him to publish a Harry Potter encyclopedia' ";

>> Lawyer Emily Blumsack’s declaration, which "assesses each of the books that RDR claims is similar enough to the proposed Lexicon book to indicate that permission to publish such books has already been granted.... RDR recognized in a previous email that there was no clear competitor or book like the proposed Lexicon in print, and that every other book on the subject was out of date, which speaks against the RDR claim that there are other books like the Lexicon’s on the market." And for those of you wondering why the Lexicon entries are currently outdated, "RDR recognizes the advantage of being first to publish and advised Steve Vander Ark not to publish book seven contents on his Web site to avoid that content being co-opted by MuggleNet, who was considering publishing an encyclopedia at the time." Also: "She also mentions that RDR recognizes that Steve Vander Ark’s persona presents potential harm to JKR’s encyclopedia, by quoting an email from RDR that calls Steve Vander Ark a 'rock star' and 'Elvis like figure' at fan events";

>> Scholastic VP Suzanne Murphy’s declaration, which "speaks to RDR’s claim that a fan would buy both encyclopedias," noting that, while core fans tend to buy as many items as they can afford, "general consumers may not feel the need to have two Harry Potter encyclopedias. For a significant segment of the general book consuming market, if they buy the Infringing Book, when presented with a later opportunity to purchase Ms. Rowling’s encyclopedia, they will decline as their perspective will be that they ‘already bought one’ ";

>> University of Chicago Law School William Landes’ declaration, which "addresses the potential market harm of the Lexicon book," and

>> Exeter University professor Jerri Johnson’s declaration, which "refut[es] the claim that the book is scholarly or a research book, saying it does not meet the standards as set by the 'Modern Language Association in the U.S. or the Research Assessment Exercise for Higher Education in the U.K.' " also: "She points out that the opposing critic pointed to reference books on public domain works, like that of Shakespeare, and Tolkien or C.S. Lewis companion books that were written either by the author or with the author’s consent."

Whew. *goes to have a lie-down*

ETA: From [info]karintheswede, "Methuen, the British firm set to publish the Lexicon if RDR/SVA win, is ' "fairly confident" the court will rule in RDR's favour,' according to The Bookseller."

ETA 2 from TLC: "Harvard Law Wayne State University faculty and copyright/IP professor Derek Bambauer says that a recent NYT article on the case "Foul[ed] Up Fair Use" and contains an "embarassingly simple mistake of copyright law."

ETA 3: The filings are finally up at Justia.

ETA 4: Most viewed new story on Yahoo News: Rowling bashes 'Harry Potter Lexicon.'

ETA 5: RDR Books speaks. In part:

In this action, a distinguished and tremendously successful novelist demands the suppression of a reference guide to her works. J.K. Rowling, author of the Harry Potter books, asserts that this reference guide infringes both her copyright in the seven Potter novels and her right to publish, at some unidentified point in the future, a reference guide of her own. In support of her position she appears to claim a monopoly on the right to publish literary reference guides, and other non-academic research, relating to her own fiction. This is a right no court has ever recognized. It has little to recommend it. If accepted, it would dramatically extend the reach of copyright protection, and eliminate an entire genre of literary supplements: third party reference guides to fiction, which for centuries have helped readers better access, understand and enjoy literary works. By extension, it would threaten not just reference guides, but encyclopedias, glossaries, indexes, and other tools that provide useful information about copyrighted works. Ms. Rowling's intellectual property rights simply do not extend so far and, even if they did, she has not shown that the publication of this reference guide poses a sufficient threat of irreparable harm to justify an injunction. Her preliminary injunction motion should be denied.

Wankiest comments people have found so far:

>> At the Times Union: "She not only wants to control copyright laws and 'her' characters, but by continuing to fill in the blanks on every character and their every step in life, I feel she’s attempting to control the reader, as well.... In my opinion, she needs to let go of Harry."

>> At Leaky: "I might even go as far as to compare Steve to Moses who had to die, because he dared to say that it was him who gave food and water to his people."

In the news: It's hit the BBC and CNN (TV) as well?

ETA 5b: The Lexicon story hits Smart Bitches, Trashy Books.

ETA 5c: From [info]ravenbell: an article from Cinematical: "Discuss: When Fans Go Too Far." Includes wank in the comments; I'm not really sure what's going on with the "bright shiny snowflake" comment.

ETA 6: Nora Roberts speaks:
Fan fiction doesn’t copy the author’s story and call it their own, but uses it or the characters, as a springboard for another story. And not for profit. Much different, to my mind, than what Edwards did over many years and with many sources.

But this suit seems to involve someone who IS taking the author’s words, without her permission, and trying to sell it for profit. I’d sue, too.

I don’t mind fan fiction (understand those authors who do), but when I find my work on the internet--for profit or not--copied and claimed by someone else, I shut it down.

NORA ROBERTS HAS SPOKEN.


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The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]southerngaelic
2008-03-01 12:45 pm UTC (link)
Fan fiction doesn’t copy the author’s story and call it their own, but uses it or the characters, as a springboard for another story. And not for profit. Much different, to my mind, than what Edwards did over many years and with many sources.

But this suit seems to involve someone who IS taking the author’s words, without her permission, and trying to sell it for profit. I’d sue, too.

I don’t mind fan fiction (understand those authors who do), but when I find my work on the internet--for profit or not--copied and claimed by someone else, I shut it down.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]southerngaelic
2008-03-01 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Oooh, didn't provide a link there. Sorry Cleo! She just commented on the Smart Bitches entry on the subject. <3

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]cleolinda
2008-03-01 03:59 pm UTC (link)
It's okay, it's hard to get specific comment links to work over there. Just so that people can see it came from SBTB, that's enough.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]cleolinda
2008-03-01 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Just to be clear, though, it's a comment on this entry.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-01 12:58 pm UTC (link)
You know, I always wondered what her preference of fan fiction was.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]kosaginolegion
2008-03-01 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I will now have to go to the library to check out this lady's work, at least the mysteries. Just because she is that cool.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]seanchaigirl
2008-03-01 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I actually found one of her romance novels that I liked recently - and I'm not much of a romance fan. It was book 1 of a trilogy, and it was called Blood Brothers. It's about 3 friends who are ten years old when the accidentally release a demon (or something thereabouts) on their little town. It comes back for a week every seven years. I really enjoyed it and can't wait to read the next installment when it comes out in May.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]mrbimble
2008-03-01 11:28 pm UTC (link)
I'm touch-and-go on her romances, too, but I loved two of her romance series: on is the "In Air" series about 3 women who end up being witches (in the best possible sense of the word) who have to save their community; the other is "Sea Swept" (that's one of the titles) - it's 3 foster brothers on the Chesapeake Bay. Lovely lovely stories with very different female love interests for each of the brothers (don't think as much of the 4th installment she wrote much later - when she calls her heroine "Druscilla" methinks Nora was watching too much Buffy)

And ditto on the "In Death" series. (as JD Robb) LOVE LOVE LOVE.

Nora is the classiest EVAH.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-02 04:09 am UTC (link)
Oh, in the Chesapeake Bay series, she totally watched and referenced Buffy. Remember when Dru was talking about it over the shop? In her fantasy romance series, you can see it as well, with the slayer. I loved the In Air series as well, but not as much as the brothers. I liked her old Calhoun series too. About the sisters up in Maine.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]seanchaigirl
2008-03-02 05:12 am UTC (link)
She's got a Buffy-alike in her Circle trilogy, too. Actually, that character was the reason I didn't finish the Circle trilogy. The Buffyness was too much.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-03-02 05:29 am UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]seanchaigirl, 2008-03-02 05:40 am UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-03-02 06:10 am UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]seanchaigirl, 2008-03-02 04:38 pm UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-03-02 08:48 pm UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]luthe
2008-03-01 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I'm eh on her romances, but her J.D. Robb In Death series? *swoon* Futuristic mysteries where the romance is but a subplot and the heroine isn't one for all that romance and baby shit anyway? I'm so there. Plus all the secondary characters get their own plot and character development, too. They're awesome.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]janegraddell
2008-03-02 05:29 am UTC (link)
My mother owns every single one of those on audio. I might have to borrow them.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]squeakytoy
2008-03-02 09:32 am UTC (link)
Do. They rock.

The best thing about the protagonist's relationship with her love interest? The relationship goes up and down, they screw up, they make up, they argue, they comfort, they get angry with each other, and they stand back and ask if the relationship is worth it.

I mean, the guy is a little too perfect. He's just a little too understanding, even for a guy who loves her liek whoa.

But it's just the...the daily ordinary business of living (and fighting and disagreeing and conflicting and loving) that's the awesomesauce of their relationship.

And that's just the "romance". I could go on twice as long about the action and the storylines and the dialogue and Peabody and the antagonists...

Yeah. "In Death" series by JD Robb. Extremely advised.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]janegraddell
2008-03-03 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I'll have to give it a shot, then. I don't usually read straight-up romances, but my Mom and I do have a lot of overlap in our mystery tastes. Also, one of the driving reasons behind my mother's purchase of an iPod was to have that series in one convenient place where she could listen to it at will. That's the kind of dedication I admire. :)

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]hurricane, 2008-03-04 02:57 am UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In - [info]squeakytoy, 2008-03-04 03:51 am UTC
Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]jaythenerdkid
2008-03-04 02:42 am UTC (link)
See, this is why I love FW. I shall have to find these books now. They sound fantastic.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]hallidae
2008-03-01 05:55 pm UTC (link)
::swoon:: Oh, Nora, never stop being the classiest Bitch there is.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]inalasahl
2008-03-01 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Take that, Laura Kinsale!

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]cimorene111
2008-03-01 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Can we get some Nora Roberts-related icons in aisle five?

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]saralina25
2008-03-01 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Damn it! I all ready spent my monthly book allowance before I saw this. D: I shall have to wait for my tax return before I give her more money.

Or will she take a first born?

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]chibikaijuu
2008-03-02 03:40 am UTC (link)
This makes me want to buy her books - except that I have one that I found on the bus last Thanksgiving, and it kinda sucks.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]luthe
2008-03-02 08:20 am UTC (link)
Get the J.D. Robb books. I don't like her romances, but the mysteries? Yes, plz! The romance is but a subplot, the secondary characters are cool, the main character is kickass, and the sex is decently written. All around good.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]snarkhunter
2008-03-02 08:28 pm UTC (link)
What one is it? I mostly love her books (and her JD Robbs) but every so often they can be touch-and-go.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]meesha1971
2008-03-02 10:24 am UTC (link)
Just when I thought I couldn't love Nora anymore. *swoons*

That is so awesome! :D

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]regann
2008-03-04 03:50 am UTC (link)
Funny she says that here since she's been one of the authors who doesn't allow fanworks based on their novels to be archived at fanfiction.net FOR YEARS. As long as I can remember anyway and that's been since 2000 or so.

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Re: The Lovely Nora Roberts Has Weighed In
[info]janegraddell
2008-03-04 04:19 am UTC (link)
Okay, so I stared and stared at your icon trying to figure out why the amazingly good-looking man in it seemed familiar and yet I couldn't place him, so I checked out your userpics and OMG IS THAT REALLY MATTHEW LEWIS?!

And now I'm really impressed with the Harry Potter make-up people, because, damn, making him unattractive must have been some hard work...

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