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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-04-15 08:08:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, internet lawyers, person: jkr, this is the wank that never ends

Lexicon trial, day 2
From what I've heard SVA will testify today. Keep in mind, also--I can't remember which blogger said it, but apparently Judge Patterson looks and sounds a lot like John Huston, which adds an extra layer of awesome to the whole thing.

To start the morning off: TLC comment wank; the Hollywood Reporter weighs in; Y ALOHA THAR!

More as it comes. Watch This Page for update alerts.

Quick ETA: From rosina_alcona: The Guardian's The strange case of Harry Potter and the battle of US district court 24A. From an anonymouse: The Telegraph's
less sympathetic article.

Also, [info]diane_duane brings us the Lexicon news widget.

ETA 2: Holy hell, you guys. The morning update was the last time I was at a computer, so I am DROWNING now. Here's what I was able to pull together in about an hour:

From [info]reddiej: USAToday covers SVA's testimony. "A Harry Potter fan who sought to publish an encyclopedic guide to the wildly popular fantasy novels broke down and cried on the witness stand Tuesday as he faced off in court against his idol J.K. Rowling.... He said he was talked into doing it by the publishing company." (FW thread)

From an anonymouse: "Via the comments on TLC, according to the Law Blog at wsj.com, they stuck Jo right in front of the witness stand during Steve's testimony." (FW thread)

Cendali tried to elicit a sense of the copyright knowledge that Vander Ark, a longtime librarian, might have, and that perhaps he knew ahead of time that RDR planned to infringe Rowling’s copyright. Cendali showed an e-mail from Vander Ark to the host of another Potter fan site. Vander Ark, apparently disillusioned with the deal he struck with RDR in August, wrote: “I am more than willing to dissociate myself with RDR. They have lied to me, misled me, taken advantage of me and in the end ruined my good standing with fans and with Rowling.”

Well, if nothing else, I'll be interested to see if people treat SVA's tears differently from JKR's.

From an anonymouse: More SVA testimony. "He defended not using quotation marks and not listing Rowling as an author. 'It's a reference book,' he said. 'If I was writing a reference book to Shakespeare, I wouldn't list Shakespeare.' " (FW thread)

The Leaky Cauldron updates as well. Meanwhile, Melissa has now recused herself:

I will no longer be posting news updates; I have recused myself from this case from the moment the e-mail in question was mentioned, as it was mine. I have made no news posts since discovering it would potentially be used and took no notes from the moment it was. Kristin will be handling news posts from here on out.

The email is question is from January, and was read out loud after Mr. Vander Ark said he did not feel RDR had lied to or misled him.

From [info]kuromitsu: Another WB/JKR statement. Via Leaky Lounge: Video of JKR's statement yesterday.

(Also, via [info]hinoema from the same thread: Should the Lexicon really be up for sale right now...?

From [info]ari_o: Another legal writeup from praetorianguard. (FW thread)

Hammer’s cross-examination of JKR was fishing at best. He asked far too many questions that he didn’t know the answer to, and he didn’t have back-up in case she gave an answer he didn’t like. Fishing – asking questions when you don’t know the answer, but you hope that you’ll get the answer you want – is always dangerous, but particularly when you’re examining witnesses you haven’t prepared. Direct examinations, that is, lawyers asking questions of their own witnesses, is supposed to go well; you have the time and opportunity to essentially script the performance. Cross-examining, or asking questions of the other side’s witnesses that you haven’t had a chance to talk to ahead of time, has the opportunity to go really well or really badly.

[...]

By contrast, Cendali’s cross-examination of RDR President Roger Rapoport was a beautiful bit of legal work. She would ask him a question, usually if he did something like e-mailing foreign publishers while he told WB that he was in mourning, he’d say he “didn’t remember”, and she’d pick up an e-mail that showed that he did exactly that.

Via Leaky Lounge: legionseagle has a writeup as well.

From [info]alexielnet: Epic fail in the TLC comments. I believe the same poster then shows up here.

... And now I have 582 comments to get through. *sob*

ETA 3: WSJ Law Blog: Judge in Potter Trial Calls on Parties to Settle. Again, you may want to imagine John Huston saying this:
Judge Patterson removed his glasses and addressed the court. “I’m concerned that this case is more lawyer-driven than it is client-driven,” he lamented. “The fair use people are on one side, and a large company is on the other side. . . . The parties ought to see if there’s not a way to work this out, because there are strong issues in this case and it could come out one way or the other. The fair use doctrine is not clear.”

“I’m bringing it up now so you can think about it before you get into the rest of the case,” Judge Patterson added. “Maybe it’s too late; maybe we’ve gone too far down the road. But a settlement is better than a lawsuit.”

The plea came as plaintiffs counsel Marvin Putnam of O’Melveny was cross examining a witness, an exchange that seemed to leave the lawyer frustrated and losing patience. The Judge broke in to point out that it was four o’clock, and asked Putnam how much longer he needed. Putnam apologized, and said he’d need quite a bit longer.

From [info]luthe: Did JKR craft the Pie Chart of Doom herself? "She talked about a chart she had made with her daughter, Jessica, at her dining room table in her home, comparing the Lexicon book to her text; no one asked her to make the chart, she said, but 'I felt extremely strongly.' " Well, it does explain why "flints" are on there, because I can't imagine the lawyers would have known what those were.  [info]spacelogic: "My sister's comment on that: 'Yep, she's Hermione, all right!' " ETA: Apparently JKR made a different chart. Aww.

[info]ms_treesap brings us the Littlest Rickroll.

Latest:

ETA 4: More color commentary from jkrtrialblog on SVA's testimony:

Though I do not support Vander Ark, nor do I care for the lawyers defending RDR, the entire courtroom couldn’t help but laugh when Vander Ark said, “this is exciting,” regarding Alohamora’s origin. The lawyer, obviously beyond unenthused, said, “I’m thrilled myself.”

[...]

When asked if he would not be working RDR following the Lexicon book because he felt he was being misled, he adamantly denied such an allegation. Rowling’s lawyer then brought in a new piece of evidence. She distributed to the judge, Vander Ark, and RDR’s lawyers, a copy of an email sent by Mr. Vander Ark to Melissa Anelli. He stated in the email that he felt RDR had lied to and misled him and that they ruined his standing with fans and JKR and that was why he wouldn’t work with them anymore. The still silence following this piece of evidence leaves me with the conclusion that it’s very possible that RDR did not know that Vander Ark was saying such things behind their back.

As part of evidence, a video clip from a Harry Potter conference that took place in Toronto in August of 2007 was shown. It was about 15 seconds long and showed a bit of Vander Ark’s presentation. From his speech, we heard him say, “Jo quit. We’re taking over now.” [...] Aside from that, the judge was not happy to learn that this brief clip and short excerpt of his speech was the only part of the video brought into evidence. Vander Ark, who should have kept his mouth shut, joked that most of the rest of his presentation could be found on YouTube.



Quick ETA 5: From [info]ari_o: The NYT has a crush on SVA.


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mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]ari_o
2008-04-16 07:19 am UTC (link)
the NYTs:

"The librarian, Steven Jan Vander Ark, had the mild-mannered demeanor of Ron Weasley, and the intelligence, charm — and haircut — of Harry Potter. Even his name sounds like that of a character in one of the books, if preceded by “Lord” or “Master.” Although, at 50, he is older than Ms. Rowling, 42, he looked like a schoolboy, with an unlined face and caramel-colored hair parted down the middle."

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]lilgoala
2008-04-16 07:24 am UTC (link)
Oh my freaking god. Are they for real??

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]lilgoala
2008-04-16 07:32 am UTC (link)
Also, his hair is not "caramel-colored". It is GRAY. STFU.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jedi_dwh, 2008-04-16 07:56 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]lilgoala, 2008-04-16 08:02 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jedi_dwh, 2008-04-16 08:25 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]kaymbee
2008-04-16 07:27 am UTC (link)
Oh, no. THEY DIDN'T.

I got to 'Lord Steve Va-' before bursting into laughter. Or maybe that was disgust. It's hard to tell.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]ari_o
2008-04-16 07:46 am UTC (link)
Now I'm imagining Jan Voldemort, Voldemort's Norwegian cousin the lumberjack.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]cowgirled
2008-04-16 07:50 am UTC (link)
So I love Harry... but since when was he that intelligent?

Also gtfo Ron.

Also. Creepy.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]ari_o
2008-04-16 07:52 am UTC (link)
Ale wasn't the last haircut he had when Petunia cut it down to the scalp, except for his bangs...

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]victoriabloom
2008-04-16 07:55 am UTC (link)
So I love Harry... but since when was he that intelligent?

Also ... charm? Not a word I'd associate with Harry. o_O

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]hallidae
2008-04-16 07:54 am UTC (link)
....I think I just about lost my dinner.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]tehrin
2008-04-16 08:19 am UTC (link)


The reporter may have been drunk.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]la_beste
2008-04-16 10:10 am UTC (link)
I think a small part of me would shrivel up and die if Dan Radcliffe wore his hair like that playing Harry.

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Re: your icon is WIN - [info]chickadilly, 2008-04-16 11:16 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]palabradot
2008-04-16 03:04 pm UTC (link)
Husband's comment after I read that to him: "Well, he *does* look like a dork..."

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]imma, 2008-04-16 04:53 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - pastri_archy, 2008-04-16 05:33 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]thecheese, 2008-04-16 07:10 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]imma, 2008-04-16 11:25 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]izzygal, 2008-04-22 03:49 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]chickadilly
2008-04-16 08:22 am UTC (link)
Mild mannered Ron Weasley

Um. What?

Ron? *snickers* Now Ron is my favourite character but I wouldn't exactly call him mild mannered.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-04-16 08:23 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]peachespig, 2008-04-16 08:56 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-04-16 08:58 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]chickadilly, 2008-04-16 09:24 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]luthe, 2008-04-16 06:02 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-04-16 08:08 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]shocolate, 2008-04-16 11:09 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]chickadilly, 2008-04-16 11:18 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]shocolate, 2008-04-16 11:28 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - pastri_archy, 2008-04-16 05:38 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]shocolate, 2008-04-16 05:45 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - pastri_archy, 2008-04-16 06:00 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]evilsqueakers
2008-04-16 08:22 am UTC (link)
My god. Why didn't she just go into the damn supply closet with him? Sheesh.

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Re: ALSO
[info]fuzzytowers
2008-04-16 08:38 am UTC (link)
Oh. God. I think I just got sick a little.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]jaythenerdkid
2008-04-16 08:45 am UTC (link)
The librarian, Steven Jan Vander Ark, had the mild-mannered demeanor of Ron Weasley, and the intelligence, charm — and haircut — of Harry Potter.

I happen to agree. He's just as mild-mannered as Ron and just as clever and charming as Harry. The fact that Ron wasn't exactly mild-mannered and Harry was neither a genius or a charmer just mean that this statement is not as flattering as the NYT may have intended.

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*Headdesk* - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2008-04-16 08:45 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]shocolate, 2008-04-16 11:10 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2008-04-16 12:06 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]maegwin_of_hern, 2008-04-17 09:45 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2008-04-17 09:49 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]maegwin_of_hern, 2008-04-17 08:00 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2008-04-18 01:37 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]irised, 2008-04-16 01:30 pm UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2008-04-17 03:37 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]southerngaelic
2008-04-16 09:20 am UTC (link)
......Ew.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]saralina25
2008-04-16 09:44 am UTC (link)
He actually asked his lawyer questions about JKR's testimony while he was on the stand?

He...WOW. I'm just so lost on how exactly to describe that behavior. "creepy" "childish" or maybe just plain "unprofessional" since you're in the middle of a CIVIL TRIAL?!

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING! - [info]wook77, 2008-04-16 10:06 am UTC
Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]kuromitsu
2008-04-16 12:19 pm UTC (link)
I think I just threw up a little.

Also, wtf caramel-colored hair?
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?articleId=USN1147556020080415&channelName=artsNews#a=3
Seems "greying brown" to me.

And I'm not slamming his looks (god knows I'm not particularly attractive myself), but... but. Not a schoolboy.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]tesgirl123
2008-04-16 12:51 pm UTC (link)
Memo to the NYT:

50 year old men who look like kids and act like kids are creepy, not attractive

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]esseilte
2008-04-16 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Like a schoolboy? Bollocks. He looks like a middle-aged man trying to look like a schoolboy. Not the same thing, NYT.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]emiweebee
2008-04-16 05:24 pm UTC (link)
WTF, NYTimes? ILU guys, but stoppit.

Also, last check had the AP story running with the words "Fan Weeps" in the headline.

Does looking like a schoolboy mean he was wearing an ill-fitting, cheap suit?

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
pastri_archy
2008-04-16 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Oh god he just oozes sex appeal doesn't he?

If he were a rotten banana peel that is.

*goes to vomit*

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]sarkasm
2008-04-16 05:50 pm UTC (link)
It is impossible to roll my eyes as hard as they should be for this statement.

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Re: mild-mannered IS OUR KING!
[info]vergilsparda
2008-04-17 01:26 am UTC (link)
That's some Harmonian-grade delusion right there, captain.

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