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Thennary Nak ([info]seca) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-04-19 22:22:00


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Entry tags:bannination, community: wank_report, fandom: gundam 00, godwin alert

Boku ga Wanku. (aka Gundam 00 wank)
As an anonmousey was so kind to write up a complete report at [info]wank_report, I figured I should share this little wank with the rest of [info]fandom_wank. The only thing I have added is fixing the html for the links and anything in bold text past this paragraph.

Gundam 00 is the latest in the Gundam anime franchise. It's tauted as the Post 9/11 Gundam for being realistic about war and being broadcast in Hi Def. Despite ample opportunity for wank-fests in this series so far the Gundam community has been generally civil. Or at least, I thought it was, but apparently our main wank generator here is a repeat offender (at least in the land of stupid_free.)

Yesterday...
News broke out that Bandai will be distributing Gundam 00 in North America.
LJ comm gundam00 breaks the news to its members
And seemingly, things are fine. Not too much ruckus.
Except moderator and owner of the comm, bucue, is already sewing the seeds of ire taking any opportunity he can to mention how much he truly hates dubs. Dubs suck, therefore he will not be investing any money in DVDs for the sub, because that only rewards lousy dubs.

Things don't get interesting until bucue makes a follow up post to the comm stating, once again, how dubs suck and that drama regarding the sub v dub debate will most likely ensue...with some...added incendiary comments. This post is locked.
But the epic fallout, for some reason, is not. (I think you can glean all that you miss from later comments.)
First, witness "rival" lj comm, gundam_00 calling bucue out
As you can gather from that post, bucue accused the gundam_00 mods of spamming his gundam00 comm. And as we find out later, apparently the spam in question may have been yaoi fic related.

Then bucue posts again, in very tl;dr fashion, trying to sort everything out

Like mousey says it's quite tl;dr as bucue gives us all s/h/it's thoughts on yaoifandom. But it does have a nice LOL worthy bit where s/he mentions they had mistaken a friending meme as wank and thus deleted it.

I don't know that there are many lols to be had in his actual post, but the comments once again point to the epic wankery that went down in the span of one night.
Which apparently included things such as deleting posts that weren't really violating the policy, "you guys misunderstand my humor!", banning people...including, from the first comment thread, one of the other moderators...


Oh and look! Godwin's!


Oh yes, a lot of tl;dr here - but the scope that can occur in one night is amazing. It's also amusing to note that the forecast of wank came about with the announcement of licensing, heralding sure fire Dub vs Sub wank...and yet none of the massive wank that occurred from this mod really had anything to do with dub vs sub opinions so much...

ETA: Thanks to [info]sticks I have been pointed to the [info]clairvoyantwank report of this wank which fills in the holes and brings more wank to the yard than the [info]wank_report version of it.

[info]clairvoyantwank version written up by [info]hermisia



This wank takes place under locks in a community which is available to join without moderation. Most of it has been deleted anyway, but there are caps! Delicious, delicious caps.

Over at lj comm [info]gundam00, an announcement is made regarding the series being licensed. There is little wank in this post, but what there is comes from resident mod, [info]bucue: http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/197889.html?thread=2715393#t2715393

Bucue, unable to just comment on the issue, makes a mod post telling others to respect each others viewing choices, while simultaneously bashing the dub and doing it in a way that makes people uncomfortable:
http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/198352.html
Now, this post originally had many more comments, which ranged from polite disagreement, slight offense, to snark, and even trolling. Doing what he does best, bucue screens and/or deletes all comments of disagreement, and bans most of the people who had replied to the post, including this person: (http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/198352.html?thread=2723024#t2723024), whose comment was later unscreened (without bucue's response in return which was basically "cry moar") with spectacular backtracking by the mod. Caps here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/97fcc6

People are pissed, and two of them decide to troll the comm by spamming unrelated fanfic and icons. These posts are deleted almost immediately.

Another post is made by bucue blaming others who had nothing to do with the spamming, the text being:
"If you see the community being spammed let me know, I'll clean it up.

Just so you guys are aware, the people doing it are all former staff of the Zeonic corps translation group and are the mods of gundamseed, some of them are also to do with gundam_00.

Don't start drama in their community, I'm just pointing out who they are, I don't wish for anyone to go attack their communities and if you do so you will be banned from here."

Comments of this post range from "...that isn't what happened, the spammers admitted to it" to calls for bucue to step down as a mod due to his immaturity, and even a light-hearted friending meme to break from the drama.

...of course, these comments are all deleted, and everyone is banned again. Even those trying to politely reason with him and those only participating in the friending meme. Caps and html here: http://lionheart.actionhalo.net/gundam00banning/

After this, around three or four posts are made to the comm, asking for explanations and ranting against bucue, but he deletes them on sight and leaves us with this new journal entry:

"I've had just about enough of this community for one night. I've spent several hours trying to clean up after a bunch of idiots. Apparently a joke is not allowed any more of the entire fandom throws it's self off a cliff screaming their nuts off.

People were banned for fanning the flames and making things worse. Many had made perfectly acceptable comments with valid points, but later decided to get involved in the wank. I've had enough of it for one life time, so any wank posts I saw just got deleted, if the offender had repeatedly done it they got banned. Many of the people complaining are just alt accounts of people causing wank, apparently they need 15 accounts for god knows what reason so I dealt with it.

If you had issues send me a message on here or IM me, I'll talk to you directly and avoid this wank. The posts will be unlocked and unscreened tomorrow when this drama has cooled down.

Any one banned will be reviewed tomorrow by myself and the other mod and we will decide if the ban deserves to stand or not. If you made a worth while contribution to the community then you will most likely be unbanned, if you were just trolling then you won't.

ANY TOPICS ABOUT THIS WILL BE DELETED ON SIGHT. Everyone go get a cup of tea and calm down, it's a community about cartoon robots, why the hell have we spent a Friday evening getting into arguments over nothing?"

There is a post made to the other Gundam 00 comm, gundam_00 in response to bucue's allegations:
http://community.livejournal.com/gundam_00/31416.html


Things seemed to have calmed down for now, due to bucue's tendency for deleting any and all disagreement. But it will almost certainly get bigger as the naysayers keep coming out of the woodwork.


ETA 2: Bucue is his ever tactful way has deleted entries and threatened to ban anyone who continues to complain about how he's been running the comm, as can be read in these saved screen shots of the wank, thanks to [info]yosei.

ETA 3: Bucue has been ousted from his comm and has taken up the age old art of trolling under the name of [info]tieriaisafag on various LJ journals using current gundam00 maintainer [info]cerulean88's default icon. As can be seen here and here.

ETA 4: [info]kaiser_chan has given an update including the post he made on the /m/ board at 4chan. 4chan thread is deleted now but deconcentrateat LJ made a cap of the thread.

Also links for screen caps of deleted wank from Bucue before he got booted has been provided by [info]kaiser_chan:

We're not special and he's not babysitting us
he only told lies for our good
but wait, he's been telling the truth all along! He knows not of these lies we speak of!
anon comments are worthless. Nevermind all those examples of good anonymous comments in the past.
"go fuck yourself"



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[info]sticks
2008-04-20 10:04 am UTC (link)
This report is pretty incomplete, so I'll attempt to break down what happened (which isn't perfect, because I blew $10 to see Forbidden Kingdom in the middle of it -- the rest of the fandom will have to help me out). [info]clairvoyantwank also has an excellent, screencap-filled write-up.

1) Member makes post announcing that 00 is licensed! People are civil -- except Bucue, who harasses a girl for wanting to (gasp!) pay for the dub in England.
2) Bucue makes a post saying that we should respect each others' rights to enjoy 00 in whatever form we wish...! And then procedes to dub-bash like 00 was licensed by 4kids in 1995, and makes stupid racial jokes. In his mod post.
3) People don't appreciate his racial cracks or "be nice to each other! Dubs suck!" Bucue throws a fit at civil comments to the effect of "Dude, stop making stupid ethnic stereotyping jokes." Comments are screened/deleted/[info]ew_younerd is banned.
3) Gaston pornfic is spammed.
4) ???
5) Bucue makes stupid accusations blaming the staff of Zeonic-Corps and the mods of ~gundamseed and ~gundam_00 for the spam, and bans people. He doesn't lift the bans even when the actual trolls say "Hey, we were the spammers." Community members go for an ARMED INTERVENTION WITH GUNDAM, aka a spontaneous friending meme.
6) Bucue is pissy and bans everyone who participated in it.
7) I think Bucue made some other post that no one could reply to somewhere in this timeframe.
8) Someone starts a post. It is filled with Wiggins, Char, and Chris Hansen RP. And Tieria orgasming with dinosaur noises, idk.
9) Bucue issues a fauxpology, which the community facepalms at. He claims to have unbanned everyone, but hasn't (which is why the post is filled with RP journals -- people's RL journals were banned). Later, lovely comod [info]cerulean88 will unban most people and attempt to do damage-control. The community calls for Bucue to step down, or at least appoint some extra mods who aren't prone to stirring up shit.
10) The friending meme is reborn.

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[info]ninwhore
2008-04-20 05:41 pm UTC (link)
He banned [info]ew_younerd?

No WONDER he got trolled so hard.

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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-04-20 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninwhore, 2008-04-20 08:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-04-20 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninwhore, 2008-04-20 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-04-20 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2008-04-20 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninwhore, 2008-04-20 10:10 pm UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2008-04-20 10:20 am UTC (link)
Bucue is a NOTORIOUS dub hater. Every time someone so much as mentions the Digimon dub in a vaguely positive light, he leaps on them and insists that we all have to hate it because it's awful and butchered and terribly acted. And when people point out that pretty much everything he says is wrong and presents examples, Bucue points only to the Digimon "movie". Never mind that the directors didn't even *want* to combine three movies into one and were kinda forced into it by the distributers. But Bucue doesn't care. Because Digimon released one bad product, that makes the entire English-language franchise sullied and wrong.

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[info]blackjackrocket
2008-04-20 10:25 am UTC (link)
In addition, why do people think 4Kids is the ONLY dubbing company to make edits and release discs without Japanese tracks? There's others, you know. Hamtaro and Flint the Time Detective come to mind as non-4Kids dubs without Japanese track releases here...

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[info]seraphgren
2008-04-20 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Wow, someone remembers Flint the Time Detective. I only caught a few eps of it myself, but still. Wow.

4Kids was just the first edit-happy dub company that came to mind when I was making jabs.

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-04-21 04:56 am UTC

[info]fools_game
2008-04-20 11:04 am UTC (link)
I keep reading dub vs sub as... something else.

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[info]aerobot
2008-04-20 11:23 am UTC (link)
See Setsuna will sound American. Lockon will sound American, everyone will sound American. If you're not from America these things stand out a mile and to me that's a poor quality dub. I have a low tolerance for poor American accents, so watching a series full of them does not appeal to me.

Wait. You mean that if an anime series is dubbed for American audiences, then they'll sound .... American?! YOU DON'T SAY.

And speak for yourself dude. Millions of people overseas watch American movies, shows, cartoons and dubbed anime, and have yet to get their panties in a twist over it. And, uh, not all American accents are bad, y'know.

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[info]demonoflight
2008-04-20 02:30 pm UTC (link)
It could be worse. They could have one of the characters speaking with an atrociously fake English accent.

Worse if it's badly acted.

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(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-04-20 03:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2008-04-20 03:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-04-20 04:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2008-04-22 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2008-04-23 02:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tsubaki, 2008-04-23 08:17 pm UTC

[info]saieboux
2008-04-20 07:36 pm UTC (link)
American Dubs are (mostly) quite decent in my opinion. When I was visiting relatives in Singapore a few years back, my bro and I turned on the TV to find Yu-Gi-Oh! was playing.

I don't have the foggiest clue who the bloody hell dubbed the show, but Bakura (who is British) had a Texan accent.

My brother and I couldn't stop laughing.

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(no subject) - [info]cinnamonical, 2008-04-20 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]saieboux, 2008-04-21 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2008-04-21 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]saieboux, 2008-04-21 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2008-04-21 06:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]saieboux, 2008-04-21 06:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-04-21 09:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]guildenstern, 2008-04-20 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shahrizai, 2008-04-20 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 12:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2008-04-21 12:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 01:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-04-21 04:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 12:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-04-21 04:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-04-21 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tsubaki, 2008-04-23 08:15 pm UTC

[info]demonoflight
2008-04-20 02:26 pm UTC (link)
...DUDE, I KNOW THAT GUY.

That bucue guy started a miniwank or two in the Digimon fandom for the same reason, because he fucking hates dubs. Of course, he doesn't understand Japanese culture nearly as much as he wants, or else he would've figured out that Masaru's usual opponents were just other middle school punks and not from the Yakuza...

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(no subject) - [info]ueuecoyotl, 2008-04-20 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gusty, 2008-04-20 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2008-04-21 12:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2008-04-21 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-04-21 04:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2008-04-21 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sudaki, 2008-04-21 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eldritch, 2008-04-21 09:26 pm UTC

[info]mcity
2008-04-20 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Dubs suck, therefore he will not be investing any money in DVDs for the sub, because that only rewards lousy dubs.
1. I hear they make devices that can play the Japanese audio and the English subtitles. You can do that, with this modern technology.
2. If they're not buying the dubs, how do they expect the dub companies to find money to improve them?*

*You have to be crazy to fly.

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[info]seraphgren
2008-04-20 05:25 pm UTC (link)
On the next episode of My Fandom's Getting Wanky: 00 starts taking a leaf out of Wing fandom's book. (beware of NWS icon)

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(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2008-04-20 06:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraphgren, 2008-04-20 07:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2008-04-20 08:52 pm UTC

[info]annepackrat
2008-04-20 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Call me crazy, but how can they NOT have known Bandai was going to pick this up? Bandai owns the freaking license and brought over every other freaking Gundam series over here. Did no one think that they'd bring over Gundam 00 as well?

And Bandai has some quite lovely dubs thank you. See Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya if you need proof.

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(no subject) - [info]pyrrah, 2008-04-20 06:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hxmxcrashtrap, 2008-04-20 06:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-04-20 11:46 pm UTC

[info]guildenstern
2008-04-20 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Yay! My fandom is wanking! Finally I get to post about the wank. I'm so proud of my little Gundam fandom.

This wanksplosion was also aided and abetted by the main mod, Bucue, stipulating that while only canon pairings would be allowed in the fanfic contest they're currently holding, all yaoi/BL/slash pairings would be disallowed...even fanfiction featuring Tieria's love for Lockon, which is canon, but wasn't allowed anyway. It's kind of an example on Bucue's view of the 'fangirls' and his contempt for teh ghey, even when said ghey was...in the show, and not made up.

The one good thing from this is that now at least the canon fanfiction contest rules were changed to allow the canon gay as well as the het, which is good of the co-mod Cerulean88 to do. Bucue didn't do it of course, lolz, as he's too busy trying to come up with ways to apologize for the community being a bunch of oversensitive teenage girls and not having a sense of humor. Fauxpology was epic.

This will keep me gainfully employed at least while I wait for my Haro to come in the mail.

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[info]kalika_maxwell
2008-04-20 08:39 pm UTC (link)
*blinks* Okay. I'm in the gundam00 community but somehow I missed almost all of this. Yay for f_w making sure I never miss out on cazy wank.

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(no subject) - [info]kalika_maxwell, 2008-04-20 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2008-04-20 09:43 pm UTC

[info]vejiicakes
2008-04-21 12:50 am UTC (link)
[info]cybersky: BAWWWWWWWW I WANTED A LOCKON/TIERIA DOUJINSHI
[info]bl_kink: JUST REPLACE CHINA-TAN WITH TIERIA

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS D:

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(no subject) - [info]seraphgren, 2008-04-21 01:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 01:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2008-04-21 10:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-04-21 10:58 am UTC

[info]zinkchan
2008-04-21 09:33 am UTC (link)
At least Bandai makes pretty snappy dubs. Plus, they've brought over almost every Gundam series, so really it would only be a matter of time before they announced they were dubbing it and releasing it.

I might actually get around to watching it once it comes stateside. Torrents don't work well on my computer and streaming video takes forever to buffer.

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[info]sudaki
2008-04-21 09:19 pm UTC (link)
Wait what? Is Bandai not releasing a subbed version at all? like they didn't of the original 0079 series? not that I'm sad about that like some kind of weenie.

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(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-04-22 09:05 pm UTC

[info]yosei
2008-04-22 02:33 am UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/205695.html New post in which he says any further pursuit of this will result in banning.

http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/202097.html Post in which he wanks WAY MORE.

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(no subject) - [info]yosei, 2008-04-22 03:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harukami, 2008-04-22 05:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yosei, 2008-04-22 07:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harukami, 2008-04-22 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yosei, 2008-04-22 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2008-04-22 09:18 am UTC

[info]kaiser_chan
2008-04-22 05:52 am UTC (link)
Well, wank exploded again. :') It can be found in his post, though he's since locked it all.

He currently has the community on a post moderation queue, is (supposedly, I'm not 100% on the details of this? someone want to validate?) revoking posting access to some members, and he's generally been even more of an ass.

Highlights include him telling the members to fuck themselves.

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(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2008-04-22 10:02 am UTC
BUCUE IS GONE!
[info]deadspeaker
2008-04-22 01:27 pm UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/gundam00/206469.html

The post is f-locked, but let's just say, the celebration going on in there is amazing.

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[info]yosei
2008-04-22 05:07 pm UTC (link)
To make things clear: Bucue was OUSTED. And is now trolling the current mod's communities as [info]tieriaisafag using her icon.

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[info]kaiser_chan
2008-04-22 09:00 pm UTC (link)
A brief summary with highlights of the later wank:

People pointed out that his apology was lacking. Most people were polite, and concerned about the community. He was an ass. People slowly got tired of him, and things escalated.

We're not special and he's not babysitting us
he only told lies for our good
but wait, he's been telling the truth all along! He knows not of these lies we speak of!
anon comments are worthless. Nevermind all those examples of good anonymous comments in the past.
"go fuck yourself"

Then he started banning again. And what a coincidence, RPing started again (absolutely hilarious, but too much to screencap - it's still in existence, just f-locked.)

There's some RPing going on in the anon meme, as well, a continuation of the two previous RP instances.

Some hours later, the co-mod kicked his sorry ass out. (He was a good clown) Everyone rejoices. RP commences once more.

Someone starts trolling communities that the current mod belongs to. Bucue posts in /m/, claiming that he's an innocent victim, but /m/, even more tired of his shit than LJ, can do nothing other than laugh.

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(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-04-22 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2008-04-22 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-04-22 09:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2008-04-22 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2008-04-22 09:42 pm UTC

[info]deconcentrate
2008-04-23 04:17 pm UTC (link)
I am, FYI, [info]deconcentrate on JF too. >_>

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redwarrior
2008-04-24 10:41 pm UTC (link)
All I can hear is, "Bloody Yanks and their bloody terrible anime dubs! EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN BRITISH ENGLISH!!!"

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