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Cleolinda Jones ([info]cleolinda) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-05-05 02:53:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, fandom: harry potter, person: jkr, this is the wank that never ends

“Melissa has done more to hurt me than Rowling”
SVA lashes out at TLC's Melissa in the New Yorker; Melissa alleges that the author, Tim Wu, actually put words in her mouth.

(Side note: "Alohomora" has changed on the Lexicon site again.)

ETA: Screencaps of changes to "Alohomora" this month, for the record.

The Hogwarts Professor weighs in on Orson Scott Card's post, then regrets ever mentioning it at all. (FW thread)

From [info]julian_black: "The Chicago Tribune has a story about the JKR/RDR case; the reporter is obviously unfamiliar with the fandom-related issues, but it's interesting for what both Roger Rapoport and SVA have to say." (FW thread)

ETA 2: From [info]insanitys_place: Tim Wu responds, does not address actual allegations of misquoting. (FW thread) Also, someone emailed me to point out that Wu is a professor at Columbia, not specifically associated with the Stanford Fair use Project.

ETA 3: Wu was sitting with SVA at the trial? Earlier comments from Melissa, by the way, seem to indicate that Wu got the "houses" information from an old podcast, where he also got the "vilified" part--except that it was spoken by Sue (a TLC staffer?). And as another Leaky Lounge poster points out, "ruined his good standing" is actually "the plaintiffs' lawyer reading out the dreaded email from Steve to Melissa," not something that Melissa said. So really, "I mention and quote language to the effect that..." is kind of not on, journalistically speaking.

ETA 4: From [info]insanitys_place: Two new articles about RDR. 

Also, both 1) someone on Leaky Lounge and 2) Elanor (who emailed me) say that Tim Wu was not, in fact, sitting with SVA in court. I'm just reporting what both sides are saying here.

ETA 5: From rattlesnakeroot on LJ: Sue talks about the podcast quotes of hers attributed incorrectly to Melissa, and "An alternate view... is a comment written on Kristin Devoe's Blog The Daily Prophet in reference to the New Yorker story. Karen Brown author of the book Prejudice in Harry Potter's World wrote her own opinion of the Leaky Lounge, deleted posts, sympathy for Steve Vander Ark, and the so-called impartiality of fandom. I think she speaks for many of us who are still Harry Potter fans, and who are not personally involved, but still have a right to our alternative opinions." I'm not sure which posts have been edited, however.

ETA 6: The briefs have been filed and are online.

Also: Melissa's statement about editing and/or censorship on Leaky Lounge..




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[info]puipui
2008-05-05 08:08 am UTC (link)
“I really wish we had had a different kind of meeting,” he said later. “There were a couple times I kind of gave her a half-smile. She didn’t smile back.”

Oh, Steve. YOUR TEARS TASTE LIKE CANDY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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[info]negativecosine
2008-05-05 08:15 am UTC (link)
I like this whole Jo Is God And Melissa Is Her Prophet thing, if only because it then gives us an excuse to take the HPfandom As Christianity analogy way too far.

Like, Mormons. Who are the Mormons, and the Unitarians, and who is the Pope? And what about that whole Harry=Jesus parallel people occasionally tl;dr about-- does that mean Melissa is actually Harry Potter in disguise? (Ow, my brain.)

Also, I like that she's described as a twenty-eight-year-old Gryffindor from Brooklyn, whereas SVA is no longer cool enough to get sorted. In fact, I think the word "mushroom" should be used in his descriptions more frequently, because, yes, that is definitely what comes to mind.

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[info]alexielnet
2008-05-05 08:15 am UTC (link)
Oh boo-fucking-who.

“Melissa has done more to hurt me than Rowling,” Vander Ark said during a recess. “I can’t blame her for liking her status.” After all, he said, Rowling “is God and Melissa is her prophet.” He went on, “I am an outcast now. But I still consider myself a ‘Harry Potter’ fan.”

I'm not sure what part of that I find the stupidest. I think it is the "Rowling as God" narrative that runs through the piece. I mean really.

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[info]southerngaelic
2008-05-05 08:16 am UTC (link)
In 2000, Vander Ark, who considers himself a Ravenclaw.....

GTFO my house D:

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[info]kuromitsu
2008-05-05 08:24 am UTC (link)
*plays the world's smallest violin for SVA*

By the way, this Tim Wu person, wasn't he already featured here once? For writing uninformed articles or simply being stupid?

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