Entry tags:

actors, fandom: supernatural, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, interrogating from the wrong perspective, misogyny soup, please mommy make it stop, recipes in comments, sexism, still not funny, stop sharing your thoughts, too many fucking tags, unfunny business, wanking inside the house, we love jf tags, what is wrong with you people?, what the shit is this?

Women Who Hate Dean Hating Women Hating... wait.
Let's see if I can do this properly.

Hiatus in the Supernatural fandom officially started last Friday, and already fans are getting a little stir-crazy.
There have been small-time rumblings from various corners of LJ this season over gender issues and many of these rumblings have involved Dean Winchester, one of the two stars of Supernatural.

There are spoilers about the finale of course.

Let's start things out with a calm-ish post by esorlehcarwherein we learn that she was very upset by the finale:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581689.html

And a follow-up with links to Why Using Sexist Language is Bad And Like Racism Only Not
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581952.html

But she's not the only one who was upset. lj-user sevenfists was BORED with Dean's death:
http://sevenfists.livejournal.com/182497.html#cutid1

The misogyny is so bad, people might not watch next season they're so upset!
http://butterfly.livejournal.com/1206981.html#cutid2
http://deadbeat-nymph.livejournal.com/15619.html

But fear not SPN fandom, for we have numbers to back up this dramatic turn of events. trollprincess brings in the statistics with Bitchwatch:
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617144.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617299.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1618164.html

All of the above have been fairly calm, all things considered, but the real wank starts pouring in when sazzlette posts a rebuttal called Dean Winchester is a sexist asshole
http://sazzlette.livejournal.com/394683.html
She starts it out with:
Dear all of you whiny, self important females.

Please, for the love of God, shut the fuck up about Dean and his misogyny. I have to say that, to a point, I agree with you. It annoys me that Sam has taken after his brother and started behaving like a jerk. This has never been a part of Sam's character the way it has Dean's, and I think they're taking this whole Sam-becoming-like-Dean thing too far. Sam and Dean generally annoy me this season, in fact, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

Uh oh.

esorlehcar, naturally, makes a response:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/582298.html
I always wonder if anyone actually thinks the "shut the fuck up and get out of my fandom if you don't agree with me" posts will actually work.

They don't?
The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now the wank is spreading throughout LJ-land, with many SPN fans posting either "I agree and Dean sucks!"; "I agree and Kripke sucks!"; "I disagree and you suck!' and "I am upset over fandom and wank sucks!"

There's a lesson to be learned here ~~Sam~~ fellow FW'ers: it really is going to be a long summer for SPN fans.

eta: and for added FAIL, the poster of this wank has not figured out auto-formatting. Would anyone be kind enough to link me to the FAQ that deals with LJ-tags? When I try to use the search function I keep running into a page about harassment. Maybe it is a sign?

(Read comments) - (Post a new comment)

	iwanttobeasleep 2008-05-20 03:59 am UTC (link)
	Can we get some kind of explanation for those of us who aren't into the show but want to be morally outraged along with everyone else? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	acostilow 2008-05-20 04:07 am UTC (link)
	Dean is a misogynistic asshole because he called Ruby a slut. And Bela a bitch. Or something. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

april_hurst
2008-05-21 03:29 am UTC (link)

The words he'd probably REALLY like to use are no-nos on television, though, so they have to pick words that are going to get past the censors.

If you can call someone a slut but not "stupid fucker" or even "piece of shit," that says more about misogyny in American standards of what's OK and what's not than about the writers or even Dean himself, for an out-of-universe explanation. :/

/srs bznss

(Reply to this)(Parent)

fools_game
2008-05-20 04:07 am UTC (link)

The third link from

trollprincess gives a pretty clear idea of what people are upset about.

In the latter half of the season just finished, one of the main characters began using some pretty offensive language towards the two female antagonists - calling them bitch, skank, whore, slut, etc. It disgusted a lot of people, and then

sazzlette made a post telling those people to STFU and stop whining or get out of fandom. And then every person on my flist felt the need to contribute. The End.

(Reply to this)(Parent)

	esorlehcar 2008-05-20 04:10 am UTC (link)
	Check out the linked summation trollprincess put together, or kestrelsan's list of S3 quotes. That's not all of it, by a long shot, but it's a good start. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	puipui 2008-05-20 04:10 am UTC (link)
	The show's main character is a sexist prick, the writers don't seem to be much better, all this sexist bullshit is presented on the show as the ultimate in cool, and a fuckton of female fans like to make excuses for it because the actor's hot. It's amazing what you can learn from your flist, really. (Reply to this)(Parent)

jezrana
2008-05-20 04:11 am UTC (link)

Basically, there are people in the fandom who are seeing an increase in misogyny in the show in the latest season and not happy about it, and people in the fandom who protest that it's fairly in-character for Dean Winchester to hurl epithets at people he doesn't like, and if those people are female characters, so be it.

I tend to feel that yeah, it is pretty in-character, but, Dean's dialogue aside, the plotlines and characters this season have been misogynistic in ways that are gratuitous and unnecessary, and I'd like to see the writers do better, without feeling like they'd need to reform Dean into a fluffy bunny to do it.

...And I'm trying to keep a balance of being angry about this, but not getting carried away into wanking about it.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2008-05-20 12:19 pm UTC (link)
	Good luck. I had to stop indulging in mainstream comics when the misogyny got too much. I don't like hurling things across the room that I've paid for. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eucalyptus 2008-05-20 01:07 pm UTC (link)
	Your icon made me LOL. hearts XF (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mistressrenet 2008-05-20 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	Same here! And I don't think it's crazy to want the Guy Who's Gonna Save the World to not be a misogynistic asshole. Especially when he's layed by Jensen Fucking Ackles. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dragonfangirl 2008-05-20 06:20 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sure you meant played by Jensen Fucking Ackles, but the recursive pairing implications in this comment made me lol. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mistressrenet 2008-05-21 12:24 am UTC (link)
	It almost got disturbingly meta there, didn't it? :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sasha_davidovna 2008-05-20 06:53 pm UTC (link)
	IAWTC (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rotten_fish 2008-05-20 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	in ways that are gratuitous and unnecessary So when will the misogyny be proper and necessary, I wonder? With a, uh, Sexist Truck episode? lol, plz. (Reply to this)(Parent)

selene_avis
2008-05-20 10:24 pm UTC (link)

That's pretty much how I feel. Sexist character don't have to equal sexist writers, but for that to be the case, the writers have to, ya know, not be sexist in other areas. That Dean's a misogynist jerk doesn't bother me as much as the women in the fridge and Ellen's disappearence because the network thought she was too old.

For what it's worth, I've always found the show to be this way, and didn't find season three to be noticably different.

(Reply to this)(Parent)

	eldritch 2008-05-21 02:06 am UTC (link)
	Yes, exactly. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Read comments) -