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themadscientist ([info]themadscientist) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-05-19 18:08:00


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Entry tags:actors, fandom: supernatural, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, interrogating from the wrong perspective, misogyny soup, please mommy make it stop, recipes in comments, sexism, still not funny, stop sharing your thoughts, too many fucking tags, unfunny business, wanking inside the house, we love jf tags, what is wrong with you people?, what the shit is this?

Women Who Hate Dean Hating Women Hating... wait.
Let's see if I can do this properly.

Hiatus in the Supernatural fandom officially started last Friday, and already fans are getting a little stir-crazy.
There have been small-time rumblings from various corners of LJ this season over gender issues and many of these rumblings have involved Dean Winchester, one of the two stars of Supernatural.

There are spoilers about the finale of course.


Let's start things out with a calm-ish post by [info]esorlehcarwherein we learn that she was very upset by the finale:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581689.html

And a follow-up with links to Why Using Sexist Language is Bad And Like Racism Only Not
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581952.html

But she's not the only one who was upset. lj-user sevenfists was BORED with Dean's death:
http://sevenfists.livejournal.com/182497.html#cutid1

The misogyny is so bad, people might not watch next season they're so upset!
http://butterfly.livejournal.com/1206981.html#cutid2
http://deadbeat-nymph.livejournal.com/15619.html

But fear not SPN fandom, for we have numbers to back up this dramatic turn of events. trollprincess brings in the statistics with Bitchwatch:
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617144.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617299.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1618164.html

All of the above have been fairly calm, all things considered, but the real wank starts pouring in when sazzlette posts a rebuttal called Dean Winchester is a sexist asshole
http://sazzlette.livejournal.com/394683.html
She starts it out with:
Dear all of you whiny, self important females.

Please, for the love of God, shut the fuck up about Dean and his misogyny. I have to say that, to a point, I agree with you. It annoys me that Sam has taken after his brother and started behaving like a jerk. This has never been a part of Sam's character the way it has Dean's, and I think they're taking this whole Sam-becoming-like-Dean thing too far. Sam and Dean generally annoy me this season, in fact, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.


Uh oh.

esorlehcar, naturally, makes a response:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/582298.html
I always wonder if anyone actually thinks the "shut the fuck up and get out of my fandom if you don't agree with me" posts will actually work.

They don't?
The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now the wank is spreading throughout LJ-land, with many SPN fans posting either "I agree and Dean sucks!"; "I agree and Kripke sucks!"; "I disagree and you suck!' and "I am upset over fandom and wank sucks!"

There's a lesson to be learned here Sam fellow FW'ers: it really is going to be a long summer for SPN fans.

eta: and for added FAIL, the poster of this wank has not figured out auto-formatting. Would anyone be kind enough to link me to the FAQ that deals with LJ-tags? When I try to use the search function I keep running into a page about harassment. Maybe it is a sign?



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[info]oconel
2008-05-20 05:58 am UTC (link)
Uhmmm. This is about Dean insulting a demon he doesn't trust and a woman who killed her own parents and has stolen the boys repeatedly or I'm missing something else?

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[info]nonnyeve
2008-05-20 06:07 am UTC (link)
Aperantly it's about a rapid increase in "bitch" "whore" "slut" "skank" and other assorted insults, aimed not only at demons but also at normal women, and more plotlines that seem to have very unsubtle mysogonist undertones.

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[info]herongale
2008-05-20 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Is it really that hard to figure out even after reading the links?

Am curious.

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[info]threegoldfish
2008-05-20 01:38 pm UTC (link)
People actually read the links? That's crazy talk.

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[info]lvlysnidrus
2008-05-20 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's basically it. I can't recall Dean insulting any woman unless she deserved it.

*grabs a towel, told herself she wasn't going to reply to this wank because her opinion's in the minority*

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[info]mael
2008-05-20 02:31 pm UTC (link)
You should have quit while you were ahead.

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[info]lvlysnidrus
2008-05-20 02:33 pm UTC (link)
*eyebrow raise* Much like he only insults the men who deserve it. I specified women because that was the question.

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[info]mael
2008-05-20 02:37 pm UTC (link)
No, really. You should have quit while you were ahead.

Tell me, since you believe skank, slut, and whore were justified, when did Ruby ever have sex with multitudes of men for money? Oh, she didn't? You mean Dean was just using sexist slurs to demean a woman he did not like? Shocking display of MISOGYNY right there, bucko.

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(no subject) - [info]lvlysnidrus, 2008-05-20 02:46 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sasha_davidovna, 2008-05-20 06:40 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sasha_davidovna, 2008-05-21 03:51 pm UTC
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[info]lady7jane
2008-05-20 02:32 pm UTC (link)
Any woman who dares to steal the boys deserves it, though. Am I right, or am I right?

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[info]lvlysnidrus
2008-05-20 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Heh. Something like that.

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[info]rotten_fish
2008-05-20 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Four pages of comments on sazzlette's post say you're majority, sister. But I bet that cross you've climbed up feels really nice.

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[info]lvlysnidrus
2008-05-20 03:50 pm UTC (link)
I meant on this post. There's no need to be rude to me.

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[info]rotten_fish
2008-05-20 04:00 pm UTC (link)
There's loads of reasons to be rude to you. This is fandom wank, and you're rehashing the wank with full knowledge you're going to start a wank; you keep apologizing for Dean's actions in light that he 'deserved' to do those things while absolutely refusing to see a larger issue than your dead gay misogynist's ~*sexay*~ honor; and you keep ending every fucking comment with some passive-aggressive one-liner.

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(no subject) - [info]lvlysnidrus, 2008-05-20 04:05 pm UTC
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[info]puipui
2008-05-20 05:08 pm UTC (link)
There's no need to be rude to me.

Well, no, there's no need, really, but sometimes it's just fun.

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(no subject) - [info]flightstothesea, 2008-05-20 07:24 pm UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2008-05-20 06:40 pm UTC (link)
I can't recall Dean insulting any woman unless she deserved it.

Sure, I use the word nigger, but only to apply to the bad black people. I'd never use it to describe good black people.

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[info]tiye
2008-05-22 06:16 am UTC (link)
I have actually heard people seriously say that. DDDDDDD:

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-05-22 08:07 am UTC

[info]herongale
2008-05-21 06:44 am UTC (link)
I feel sorry for the women who are possessed by demons.

I mean, it's bad enough for a woman to have her soul imprisoned and tortured as a witness to the evil done by the demon possessing her body.

But then to have to also witness people who she thught were her friends insulting the demon based on the gender of the host body? A gender which belongs to the trapped soul, and not necessarily the possessing demon?

That's very sad.

I don't watch SPN, but I looked at the Wiki, and apparently, demons can be exorcised from people's bodies. And even Sam was possessed by a demon once. I bet that it was hard for Dean to deal with that. But I also bet he didn't call the demon possessing his brother a cunt or a whore.

You know what? If you honestly can't see why this is problematic, I feel sorry for you too. It's got to suck to be possessed by prejudices that you refuse to exorcize just because you can't even see that they are there.

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[info]airawyn
2008-05-22 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh, don't worry about the person being possessed. Dean and Sam sure don't, since they slaughter them right and left.

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[info]andromakhe001
2008-05-23 06:49 am UTC (link)
Actually I'm pretty sure the women possessed by the demons are calling said demons even worse things in their minds. I know I would be, if I was trapped by some being, forcing my body to thinks, taking me places I didn't want to go, putting my body in constant danger which may cause my death upon exorcism, if I'm that lucky?

Oh yeah, slut and skank wouldn't even begin to scratch the surface, I'm pretty sure I'd be making up brand new word combinations that made those look like kindergarten words by comparison.

Also while the "demon smoke" can possess any gender, it's clear that demons seem to remember the genders they had while alive. Meg seemed to consider herself a female, even when she was in Sam, though she had to pretend to be Sam. Ruby clearly considers herself female - that's why the insults work to knock her off balance.

That's why Dean does it. He's going to use anything he can to try and keep her focused on him and thus distracted from other stuff, like his little brother - and the way he does that is with insults that work. These insults are the ones that work on Ruby, which I'm pretty sure is supposed to be ironic considering she's possessing someone else's body and using it against it's will.

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2008-05-23 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]briebribeez, 2008-05-26 06:38 pm UTC

[info]gun
2008-05-22 08:19 am UTC (link)
You're shit at life.

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[info]breecita
2008-05-20 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm missing something else?

Yes.

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[info]mael
2008-05-20 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Several things, in fact.

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[info]vito_excalibur
2008-05-20 11:37 pm UTC (link)
You're missing something else.

From your point of view, it's one thing if I, say, yell "You jerk!" at someone who stole my parking space.

It probably feels different if I yell "You jerk! You're like that fucking hideous [info]oconel!"

It's not that you care about the random guy in my parking space.

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[info]knightrider
2008-05-21 04:06 am UTC (link)
You aren't trying to disagree with the majority opinion on F_W, are you?

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[info]oconel
2008-05-21 09:17 am UTC (link)
Hahaha, of course not, I just made a question because I knew I was missing the point.

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