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themadscientist ([info]themadscientist) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-05-19 18:08:00


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Entry tags:actors, fandom: supernatural, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, interrogating from the wrong perspective, mansplain appears in annals of history, misogyny soup, please mommy make it stop, recipes in comments, sexism, still not funny, stop sharing your thoughts, too many fucking tags, unfunny business, wanking inside the house, we love jf tags, what is wrong with you people?, what the shit is this?

Women Who Hate Dean Hating Women Hating... wait.
Let's see if I can do this properly.

Hiatus in the Supernatural fandom officially started last Friday, and already fans are getting a little stir-crazy.
There have been small-time rumblings from various corners of LJ this season over gender issues and many of these rumblings have involved Dean Winchester, one of the two stars of Supernatural.

There are spoilers about the finale of course.


Let's start things out with a calm-ish post by [info]esorlehcarwherein we learn that she was very upset by the finale:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581689.html

And a follow-up with links to Why Using Sexist Language is Bad And Like Racism Only Not
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/581952.html

But she's not the only one who was upset. lj-user sevenfists was BORED with Dean's death:
http://sevenfists.livejournal.com/182497.html#cutid1

The misogyny is so bad, people might not watch next season they're so upset!
http://butterfly.livejournal.com/1206981.html#cutid2
http://deadbeat-nymph.livejournal.com/15619.html

But fear not SPN fandom, for we have numbers to back up this dramatic turn of events. trollprincess brings in the statistics with Bitchwatch:
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617144.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1617299.html
http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1618164.html

All of the above have been fairly calm, all things considered, but the real wank starts pouring in when sazzlette posts a rebuttal called Dean Winchester is a sexist asshole
http://sazzlette.livejournal.com/394683.html
She starts it out with:
Dear all of you whiny, self important females.

Please, for the love of God, shut the fuck up about Dean and his misogyny. I have to say that, to a point, I agree with you. It annoys me that Sam has taken after his brother and started behaving like a jerk. This has never been a part of Sam's character the way it has Dean's, and I think they're taking this whole Sam-becoming-like-Dean thing too far. Sam and Dean generally annoy me this season, in fact, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.


Uh oh.

esorlehcar, naturally, makes a response:
http://esorlehcar.livejournal.com/582298.html
I always wonder if anyone actually thinks the "shut the fuck up and get out of my fandom if you don't agree with me" posts will actually work.

They don't?
The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now the wank is spreading throughout LJ-land, with many SPN fans posting either "I agree and Dean sucks!"; "I agree and Kripke sucks!"; "I disagree and you suck!' and "I am upset over fandom and wank sucks!"

There's a lesson to be learned here Sam fellow FW'ers: it really is going to be a long summer for SPN fans.

eta: and for added FAIL, the poster of this wank has not figured out auto-formatting. Would anyone be kind enough to link me to the FAQ that deals with LJ-tags? When I try to use the search function I keep running into a page about harassment. Maybe it is a sign?



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Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]susannaheanes
2008-05-20 07:29 pm UTC (link)

Sorry, I don't think the show is sexist, nor do I think his potty mouth means he hates women, or is inclined to beat up female human beings - which do NOT include demons wearing a female "meat-suit." And, as a former victim of rape and physical abuse, I'm obviously crazy, because I make a distinction between language, and action.

Oh, and it's me, prettyfreckles at LJ.

I COMMISSIONED ICONS. HAVE SOME.

I'd love to see some of this venom over the supposed misogyny of Show directed at (warning: graphic picture of an abused woman in 3rd link) Some Real Misogynists.

Dean's character is a selfless human being who saves people's lives. He is also not perfect. Thank God.






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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]onaga
2008-05-20 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Okay!

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]damnedfallacy, 2008-05-20 08:37 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]pet, 2008-05-20 08:40 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]blankverses, 2008-05-20 09:37 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]bof, 2008-05-20 09:58 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]lab
2008-05-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
No.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]lab, 2008-05-20 07:41 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]rotten_fish
2008-05-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
THIS POST IS AMAZING

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]sadisticferret
2008-05-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
What the hell is wrong with you? Jesus.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]brown_betty
2008-05-20 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you can still enjoy the show. Please don't assume that because I can't, I'm not outraged by violence against women any more than I assume you don't recycle.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]esclaramonde
2008-05-20 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Lol most stupid.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]breecita
2008-05-20 07:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm obviously crazy

Hey, cut her some slack. Some of her comment had merit.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-20 08:47 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]alya1989262, 2008-05-20 09:03 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]cyndra_falin
2008-05-20 07:48 pm UTC (link)
You're a moron.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]donna
2008-05-20 07:48 pm UTC (link)
*dies laughing*

...it's all I can do.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]mael
2008-05-20 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh hai there "But I *like* the character, he can't be sexist!" defense. We hadn't missed you.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - nam_jai, 2008-05-20 08:20 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]notjo, 2008-05-20 08:26 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]notjo
2008-05-20 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Your thoughts on yaoi aren't really interesting, thanks. But it's good to know you have so many things in common with our Otaku King.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-20 10:01 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-05-20 11:10 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]pipssister
2008-05-20 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I'd love to see some of this venom over the supposed misogyny of Show directed at (warning: graphic picture of an abused woman in 3rd link) Some Real Misogynists.

Making icons defending a fictional character, however, is a perfectly good use of time.

LURK MOAR or GTFO.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-05-20 09:31 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]pipssister, 2008-05-20 10:35 pm UTC

[info]phosfate
2008-05-20 08:31 pm UTC (link)
You fail hard. Please die in a fire with McG.

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You are utterly pathetic.
[info]rotten_fish
2008-05-20 08:37 pm UTC (link)
http://prettyfreckles.livejournal.com/47098.html

Wow, Sparky, ya got some freaking issues.

Striving to be better should mean mining inside yourself to strip away the bullshit and find just what your best self is... like Sam needs to do. He does need to be more like Dean. Because Dean is AWESOME. He's an angel in a goddamned testosterone-laced meat-suit. He wouldn't look good in heels, I don't think. So you people who have an issue with his language and your misperception of how he feels about women just because he doesn't wear his soft heart out there for people to see? Stop trying to make him wear a pair, okay?

*golf claps* I particularly enjoyed the "goddamned testosterone-laced meat-suit." So. Effing. Sexy.

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Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]pet, 2008-05-20 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-20 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pet, 2008-05-20 08:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pet, 2008-05-21 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-05-21 11:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-05-20 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-05-21 03:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-05-20 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 12:48 am UTC
plz pardon the boobs - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 01:52 am UTC
Re: plz pardon the boobs - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 01:54 am UTC
Re: plz pardon the boobs - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 02:08 am UTC
Re: plz pardon the boobs - nam_jai, 2008-05-21 04:04 am UTC
Re: plz pardon the boobs - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-05-21 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-05-23 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2008-05-22 02:44 am UTC
This is my favorite part ... - [info]pipssister, 2008-05-20 09:02 pm UTC
Re: This is my favorite part ... - [info]gun, 2008-05-20 11:30 pm UTC
Re: This is my favorite part ... - [info]pipssister, 2008-05-20 11:43 pm UTC
Re: This is my favorite part ... - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:36 am UTC
My socialized gender binary, let me show you it! - [info]mael, 2008-05-20 09:20 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]nymeria, 2008-05-20 09:36 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]damnedfallacy, 2008-05-20 09:56 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - flightstothesea, 2008-05-20 10:21 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:25 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]missdaisy, 2008-05-20 10:58 pm UTC
Icon: I couldn't resist - [info]argylespy, 2009-04-29 01:31 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]evilsqueakers, 2008-05-20 11:14 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]ram, 2008-05-20 11:17 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - nam_jai, 2008-05-20 11:24 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]anonyrat, 2008-05-22 10:08 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]gun, 2008-05-21 12:17 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]pyewacket, 2008-05-21 01:23 am UTC
OT icon love. - [info]seca, 2008-05-23 01:04 am UTC
Re: OT icon love. - [info]pyewacket, 2008-05-23 01:37 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]kita0610, 2008-05-21 01:39 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]randomsome1, 2008-05-21 05:11 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]rikiki, 2008-05-22 07:52 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]hooloovoo_too, 2008-05-22 06:46 pm UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]seca, 2008-05-23 02:16 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]kita0610, 2008-05-23 02:18 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]scorpio20, 2008-05-23 05:43 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]fiiierce, 2008-05-21 01:48 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]ryuutchi, 2008-05-21 03:48 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]breecita, 2008-05-21 04:46 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]eldritch, 2008-05-21 05:20 am UTC
I apologize for this - [info]fiiierce, 2008-05-21 05:53 am UTC
Re: I apologize for this - [info]eldritch, 2008-05-21 05:58 am UTC
Re: I apologize for this - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 06:21 am UTC
Re: I apologize for this - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 10:28 am UTC
Re: You are utterly pathetic. - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-05-21 07:37 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]damnedfallacy
2008-05-20 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Until now, I didn't realize that stupid could actually burn me over the internet.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-05-21 07:52 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]puipui
2008-05-20 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for sharing! Feel free to go fuck yourself!

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]pipssister, 2008-05-20 08:52 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-20 09:05 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]nymeria, 2008-05-20 09:31 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-05-20 10:27 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-21 12:16 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-05-21 12:33 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:48 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-05-21 12:52 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]tehrin, 2008-05-21 02:41 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]breecita, 2008-05-21 03:20 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]kadath, 2008-05-21 03:23 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ryuutchi, 2008-05-21 03:49 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]kadath, 2008-05-21 03:52 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 04:17 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 12:36 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-21 12:41 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 12:47 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-21 12:57 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2008-05-21 04:33 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]nymeria, 2008-05-21 04:04 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]coffee_mug
2008-05-20 08:51 pm UTC (link)
"Wheee!!!" indeed.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]stele3
2008-05-20 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Alan Rickman is hot.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - nam_jai, 2008-05-20 09:22 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]seca, 2008-05-23 12:07 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]sepiamagpie
2008-05-20 09:20 pm UTC (link)
you fascinate me

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]nymeria
2008-05-20 09:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh honey, you're the best thing in the entire wank so far. ♥

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Having clicked the link through to your post, all I can say is *rofl* - [info]nymeria, 2008-05-21 04:00 am UTC
Re: Having clicked the link through to your post, all I can say is *rofl* - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-05-21 07:42 am UTC
Re: Having clicked the link through to your post, all I can say is *rofl* - [info]susannaheanes, 2008-05-27 03:35 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]mistressrenet
2008-05-20 09:26 pm UTC (link)
I think I'm going to use my Toph icon now. Why yes I am.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]dragonfangirl
2008-05-20 09:27 pm UTC (link)
And, as a former victim of rape and physical abuse... I don't think the show is sexist

Well, I'm glad that someone who obviously Knows These Things has come to tell us how things should be.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]nymeria, 2008-05-20 09:30 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-20 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ari_o, 2008-05-21 01:24 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-05-21 01:49 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ari_o, 2008-05-21 01:52 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
[info]blankverses
2008-05-20 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Dean Winchester is a fictional character who will never save you from danger or have sex with you, because he is too busy being fictional.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2008-05-20 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]milkshake, 2008-05-20 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blankverses, 2008-05-20 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]milkshake, 2008-05-20 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blankverses, 2008-05-20 10:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]milkshake, 2008-05-20 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blankverses, 2008-05-20 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2008-05-21 12:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2008-05-21 02:48 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS.
ultimi_scopuli
2008-05-20 09:56 pm UTC (link)
And talking about icons, I'm so glad I have a facepalming one for moments like this.

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Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]sisterelwood, 2008-05-20 09:57 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - flightstothesea, 2008-05-20 10:22 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]smashingstars, 2008-05-20 10:24 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-05-20 10:30 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]milkshake, 2008-05-20 10:32 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]missdaisy, 2008-05-20 10:50 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]cyndra_falin, 2008-05-21 09:50 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ram, 2008-05-20 11:20 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]gun, 2008-05-21 12:18 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]puipui, 2008-05-21 12:24 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]gun, 2008-05-21 08:54 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]tarash, 2008-05-21 12:53 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-05-21 08:00 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]beejium, 2008-05-21 01:22 am UTC
Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]ari_o, 2008-05-21 01:28 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]chibikaijuu, 2008-05-21 02:16 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]ari_o, 2008-05-21 02:56 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]sisterelwood, 2008-05-21 04:22 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]ari_o, 2008-05-21 04:29 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]stele3, 2008-05-21 04:45 am UTC
Re: Tell us where it hurts. We'll make it all better. - [info]vanya_elda, 2008-05-22 11:19 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]fairy_tale_echo, 2008-05-21 01:39 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]tehrin, 2008-05-21 02:47 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]ryuutchi, 2008-05-21 04:14 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]annaham, 2008-05-21 06:05 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-05-22 04:49 pm UTC
I know it's technically not the right term but I'm still a baby English student, so. . . - iwanttobeasleep, 2008-05-21 07:57 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-05-21 08:04 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]zinkchan, 2008-05-21 09:10 am UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]b_jellybean, 2008-05-22 11:15 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]barankhy, 2008-05-21 05:16 pm UTC
I'd love to see some of this venom over the supposed misogyny of Show directed at you? - [info]morgyne, 2008-05-21 05:28 pm UTC
Re: I'd love to see some of this venom over the supposed misogyny of Show directed at you? - [info]susannaheanes, 2008-05-27 03:27 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-05-22 04:47 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]briebribeez, 2008-05-26 09:52 pm UTC
Re: Wheeee!! ICONS. - [info]susannaheanes, 2008-05-27 03:29 pm UTC

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