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taleya ([info]taleya) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-06-23 23:02:00


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Entry tags:fandom: doctor who, icons, photoshop, piracy, suck it up and deal

Ahh DW fandom. Never stop.
[info]tzikeh has a burning issue and a desire to ask a question of Doctor Who fen that is fandom specific, but not so specific to actually be referred to, even when asking permission of the mods to explore the question.

Eventually someone winkles the Great Mystery out of her, and it turns out that all Doctor Who fans are apparently Icon-thieveing bastards.

Evidently she's discovered one of the few pockets of wank that hasn't yet been thoroughly explored by the DW fandom, and the fur begins to merrily fly to correct this.   Arguments on fair use, pointing out that US law is not international law, cries of "Get the hell over it" and threats of litigation from felines commence




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[info]phosfate
2008-06-23 04:17 pm UTC (link)
D'oh! HTML borkage.

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(no subject) - [info]taleya, 2008-06-23 04:24 pm UTC
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[info]puipui
2008-06-23 04:19 pm UTC (link)
You posted in rich text, try switching to the HTML tab.

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[info]thespie
2008-06-23 04:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, will this one go away quickly. Like, on Saturday after the next episode broadcasts. Given Rusty's track record of hand-waving, there's going to be loads and loads of wank in regard to our Special Guest Villain for the next two weeks. Well, that and the Rosefen going spaz again in regard to whatever solution Rusty takes to Rose's appearances, because we know that the Doctor and Rose will NOT end up together, and that's sure to piss them off to no end.

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[info]herongale
2008-06-23 04:37 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That got beautiful really fast.

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[info]charmian
2008-06-23 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Quoth tzikeh: "This is why I asked whether or not this community was a good place to ask this question; I didn't want to stir up a storm. "

Uh, like claiming that the way some people are behaving is wrong ever ends up not causing a storm? She's been on LJ for six years and she thinks she can avoid causing one? The question isn't "is there going to be a storm?" it's "do I want to have a storm on this community?"

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(no subject) - [info]taleya, 2008-06-23 04:57 pm UTC
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[info]ms_treesap
2008-06-23 05:06 pm UTC (link)
I've just now realized that there are only two people in this whole conversation who appear to be here to be nasty and sour and right about everything, instead of to have a real discussion about the actual question. One is nineteen years old. One is you.

So nineteen year olds are particularly grudgy over the internet?

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[info]notjo
2008-06-23 05:17 pm UTC (link)
This makes much more sense when I realise that you're not talking about Darkwing Duck Fandom (When in trouble you call DW!).

Speaking of which, is there a Darkwing Duck Fandom?

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MODS!!! I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A DEATH THREAT!!! - [info]notjo, 2008-06-23 09:01 pm UTC
Re: MODS!!! I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A DEATH THREAT!!! - [info]singe, 2008-06-23 09:53 pm UTC
Re: MODS!!! I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A DEATH THREAT!!! - [info]notjo, 2008-06-23 09:54 pm UTC
Re: MODS!!! I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A DEATH THREAT!!! - [info]sorchar, 2008-06-24 05:29 am UTC
Re: MODS!!! I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A DEATH THREAT!!! - [info]notjo, 2008-06-23 09:55 pm UTC
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[info]caffeine
2008-06-23 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Why would anyone want to steal her icons in the first place?

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[info]ari_o
2008-06-23 05:49 pm UTC (link)
"An icon can [be] the visual equivalent of a poem or short story. Is that pretentious? Really?"


OMFG YES!

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[info]pyratejenni
2008-06-23 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Note to self:

1. Go to [info]tzikeh's LJ, steal her icons.

2. ??

3. Profit!

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[info]ingrid
2008-06-23 06:10 pm UTC (link)
#2 - you don't have to ask if it falls under the Fair Use doctrine - that's the entire point of fair use.

So what exactly happens after the shrinking and texting of that Fair Use image to make it "permission to use needed"?

It becomes covered in Special Snowflake frosting?

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>:( - [info]tofuknight, 2008-06-23 09:39 pm UTC
Re: >:( - [info]demonbean, 2008-06-24 01:09 am UTC
Re: >:( - [info]puipui, 2008-06-24 07:51 pm UTC

[info]zyna_kat
2008-06-23 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Here's a solution: When someone says, "I'm stealing your icon!", reply to them and say, "I'd rather you didn't" or "I'd rather you asked first, and credit me".

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(no subject) - [info]slwatson, 2008-06-23 06:23 pm UTC
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[info]slwatson
2008-06-23 06:22 pm UTC (link)
This is where I become a target and say that I kinda get the ass when people just take my icons too. On the other hand, I don't mind if anyone uses them, but just ask me. I always say yes. (Because I'm easy.) Including this one here, which is apparently pretty popular...

On the other side, though, some people really are fricken freaky about icons they make. "CREDIT, COMMENT, LINK ME, SUCK MY E-COCK!" Seriously, it's not that big a piece of art. Get over yourselves.

I dunno. My thoughts on icon making are: "If you like it, ask to use it. Credit is nice, but not a requirement. I won't flip my shit if you do steal it, but politeness is good."

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[info]yhallothar
2008-06-23 06:40 pm UTC (link)
I was seriously hoping at least one person (or more!) would gank and use her icons to reply with.

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[info]joye
2008-06-23 07:05 pm UTC (link)
It's actually a compliment in the Chinese society to have your work copied.
Wat.

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[info]meagenimage
2008-06-23 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Well, if it was *Dr. Who fans* who stole your icons, it should be perfectly okay to wade into a Dr. Who comm and start talking about how the fandom is a bunch of thieves!

I see absolutely no problem with this logic.

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[info]willywanka
2008-06-23 07:31 pm UTC (link)
How come the desire for politeness is trumped by this bizarre "You have no rights so shut up" vibe?

Because you're purposely choosing to ignore that the majority of people who do take your icons and say "Nice icon! I am going to steal it now! :D" or take it without saying anything, do not mean you any great disrespect. Shockingly, many of us really are lazy to the point of not bothering to ask if we may use your icon. You may find our sluggish behaviour objectionable, but I assure you most have no intention of slighting you.

OR

You are not purposely choosing to ignore that, and just never considered that possibility.

Won't you sojourn to the den with me, and partake in a glass of brandy beside the fire? We shall further ponder the complexities of icon-making in relation to the disappearance of polite society, as well as the question of whether or not I risk murder by putting the cat on a diet.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-06-23 08:48 pm UTC
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[info]churri
2008-06-23 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Don't mind me, I'm just gallivanting with joy to find Whowank not related to Companion wars/racism/sexism/other things that make me want to tear my hair out for various reasons.

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[info]naturalcyber
2008-06-23 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Icon theft: Serious BIZNESS

My thoughts on icons let me show you them.

... On second thought tl;dt

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the EFF really doesn't want her on its side.
[info]passerby
2008-06-23 08:15 pm UTC (link)
"From long involvement with the EFF, where I've been a member since 1997. Also from reviewing Kelly v. Arriba Soft, in which lo-res, altered thumbnails (like my icon) made from hi-res, professional photographs (like the Iron Man publicity photos) used with no intent to incur profit were found to be protected by the Fair Use Doctrine."

Doesn't it seem funny that someone else's hard work to get the photo in the first place is negated in importance to her 3 hour 'shoppin and that because she feels so important the mere idea someone else might want to take her icon and "fair use" it once more makes her livid. That's comedy right there. You can't buy that logic at a store, folks, that's all natural.

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Re: the EFF really doesn't want her on its side. - [info]taleya, 2008-06-23 08:30 pm UTC
Re: the EFF really doesn't want her on its side. - [info]passerby, 2008-06-23 08:38 pm UTC

[info]kadath
2008-06-23 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Using other people's icons is bad and you should never do it! D:<

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-06-23 08:49 pm UTC
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[info]eldritch
2008-06-23 08:33 pm UTC (link)
On the one hand, it pisses me off when people steal my icons instead of just... you know... asking and dropping credit. On the other hand! Waltzing into a community and accusing the whole FANDOM of theft? Now that's hilarious. I mean. Overreacting. ... no, I meant hilarious.

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[info]evanwaters
2008-06-23 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Oh Dear God, the "Fair Use" material alone. That's a rich vein of stupid right there.

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[info]nonny_mouse
2008-06-23 08:57 pm UTC (link)
As someone pointed out on the anonmeme, the icon she's butthurt about is one that's been done a hundred times before (and better) by other iconmakers. There's even people on here with "When 900 you reach" icons (which is where I first saw that fandom meme.)

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[info]requiella
2008-06-23 09:06 pm UTC (link)
you should see the comments in his personal journal, his friends are all acting like they saw someone steal an old ladies purse rather then ICON THEFT.

The outrage!!!11!!!

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(no subject) - [info]bitca, 2008-06-23 09:59 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]requiella, 2008-06-25 02:53 am UTC
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