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Dani ([info]hypno_jango) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-07-05 08:23:00
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Entry tags:videogames, webcomics

LEAVE B^U ALONE!
Bringing this over from [info]clairvoyantwank

On Wednesday, Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation decided to ditch outraging gamers by mocking their favorite video games for the week to instead criticize webcomics and their creators. While Yahtzee took jabs at webcomics in general, his main focus was on the webcomic Ctrl-Alt-Delete. (Note: On Wednesday, Ctrl-Alt-Delete's forums went down and they are still not up.) At the Escapist's forum, there are 24 pages of Pro-CAD VS Anti-CAD fanboy rage.

On a fun note: The first webcomic replying to the video.
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[info]tardis
2008-07-05 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I thought Zero Punctuation was being ironic with the miscarriage storyline. This makes me incredibly sad.

I'm so glad I stopped reading that webcomic.

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[info]ari_o
2008-07-05 07:24 pm UTC (link)
For a moment I was confused as to how wank about Computer Aided Design came into this.

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(no subject) - [info]florence_craye, 2008-07-06 02:53 am UTC

[info]seiberwing
2008-07-05 07:26 pm UTC (link)
I like Yahtzee's little resigned-face in that comic. Yay Israel.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-07-05 07:38 pm UTC (link)
Man I so fail at yiddish. I thought that was just a clever nonsense font for FAR FAR TOO LONG!

*Head/Desk*

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[info]crysiana
2008-07-05 07:47 pm UTC (link)
CAD used to be mildly entertaining sometimes, but then Buckley, as they do, went insane. I admit the best part of the Zero Punctuation thingit for me was Yahtzee's "Still very aware of the hypocrisy" comments at the end.

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[info]marshall_law
2008-07-05 07:53 pm UTC (link)
I've been waiting for this to explode since watching that video on Wednesday; I'm only vaguely familiar with CAD but what I know seems to suggest both the creator and the hardcore fans are insane.

The real fun'll start once those forums go back up.

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(no subject) - [info]kitsune_wolf, 2008-07-05 07:58 pm UTC
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[info]miraba
2008-07-05 08:10 pm UTC (link)
You're linking to the wrong CW post.

Fanboy rage is a beautiful thing.

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(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2008-07-05 09:35 pm UTC

[info]shinga
2008-07-05 08:27 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only one who didn't mind the miscarriage storyline in CAD? ;)

But LOL at defensive fans... always always LOL at that.

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(no subject) - [info]wickedchild, 2008-07-05 09:26 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]solar_type_star, 2008-07-06 02:41 pm UTC
Here's the way he put it - [info]pizoxuat, 2008-07-06 08:53 pm UTC
Re: Here's the way he put it - [info]solar_type_star, 2008-07-07 08:39 pm UTC
Re: Here's the way he put it - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-07-07 11:03 pm UTC
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[info]akatsuki_ame
2008-07-05 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering when the fans would notice the video. I guess it's too much of an earth logic thing to laugh it off. I did this with Brawl. At least this will probably result in a hilarious reply next week.

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iwanttobeasleep
2008-07-05 08:29 pm UTC (link)
There's something beautiful in the webcomic reply being in Hebrew.

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(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2008-07-05 08:50 pm UTC
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[info]demonoflight
2008-07-05 08:50 pm UTC (link)
On a fun note: The first webcomic replying to the video.

About time we Israelis joined the grand international Circle of Wank. I mean, I've been saying this for years, we're the biggest wankers in the world.

Most of the comments talk about the art style, and the rest are either people who don't know crap about Yahtzee or people who're bitter about Yahtzee making fun of webcomics. Megalodon (comment 19) is special by being extremely bitter and ranting about how it's one thing when Yahtzee mocks video games made by corporations, but a completely different thing to mock webcomics created through hard work and for no profit. "Don't like, don't read" and all that. He was especially cranky about Yahtzee "spewing garbage" about CAD. Kind of standard, but it's in Hebrew, that makes me so proud.

One of the fanthings said that it would've been cooler if webcomic!Yahtzee would've been wide-eyed and sweating in terror. Talk about not getting it. The artist replied "I thought about it, but it's much more fitting for Yahtzee to kind of glare at us all and go 'oh, not you wankers again'".

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[info]keri
2008-07-05 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Are there transcripts anywhere of Zero Punctuation? Because people have been talking about it for ages, but I've never been able to follow the videos well enough. Subtitles would also be awesome.


I am also irritated by podcasts which don't provide transcripts for those of us who, for whatever reason, can't listen. Hello, usability please.

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[info]reeve
2008-07-05 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Heh; was waiting for this to explode, especially once I heard about the CAD connection (don't follow the comic, barely know a thing about it).

Saw this in the forum thread: I'm surprised yahtzee's still gnawing at his beef with Tim Buckley, enough to make a video about it.

"Still"? Anyone know the story (or even if there's a story) behind this?

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[info]lollercoaster
2008-07-05 11:00 pm UTC (link)
I would watch the offending cartoon but Yahtzee is way too exhausting and I'm lazy

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[info]jellibean
2008-07-05 11:31 pm UTC (link)
I love the paper bag "Logic Amour" that the comic writer has on about 3 and a half minutes into it... that needs to be iconned.

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[info]shutthef_up
2008-07-06 02:02 am UTC (link)
Aww, Yahtzee! I've missed him and find his, er... commentaries hilarious. Doesn't seem to matter that I know nothing about gaming OR webcomics. I just find his motormouth-insult-everyone style funny

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2008-07-06 05:56 am UTC

[info]luciazephyr
2008-07-06 02:02 am UTC (link)
Yahtzee has a very good reason for disliking CAD. He wrote very nicely on it on his site: http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/
It's still on the front page. Ctrl+F: "You Cad" and you should find it. In short, he thinks CAD can't structure jokes correctly and pulls a cool comparison between Penny Arcade! and CAD on their different approaches to the same joke.

Oh, and he's got a list of good webcomics here: http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/features/goodcomics.htm
Yay, XKCD is on it. \o/

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(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2008-07-06 02:48 am UTC
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[info]ninwhore
2008-07-06 02:10 am UTC (link)
He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

So if you write about a mature subject you're mature... Good to know!

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[info]dejana
2008-07-06 02:30 am UTC (link)
Yay, now I don't have to go back as far on my friends page to find the quick link to this video. >.> It's applicable to so much more than webcomics...

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[info]groovytastic
2008-07-06 02:32 am UTC (link)
"i like him, hes a funny guy...but theres no reason for him to make fun of something just cause he doesnt like it."

Yeah, who would have thought that someone who is internet famous for mocking stuff he doesn't like would mock something he doesn't like? Whatever next, Paris Hilton getting caught doing something naughty?

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[info]shaysdays
2008-07-06 04:45 am UTC (link)
Fleen weighed in:
http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/07/03/okay-youve-probably-seen-this-by-now/#respond

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(no subject) - [info]shaysdays, 2008-07-06 04:53 am UTC

[info]ari_o
2008-07-06 04:48 am UTC (link)
Whoa, this post is hitting some buttons here and there. If you are going to wank in the house... Well, I guess I'm the last person to deliver a lecture on that topic. :(

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Transcript of Yahtsee's review
[info]redcoast
2008-07-06 04:59 am UTC (link)
I'm just cut-and-pasting this from the Escapist forums, but people have been asking for it:

The thought occurs that for all my banging at the "games are art" drum, art is only as good as the culture that surrounds it. A game could give the most extraordinarily emotional experience in the entirety of human culture, and bring tears to the eyes of a jaded war veteran with no eyes, but it's all for naught if it's not surrounded by self-important bearded tossers who read too much into things for a living, and since I'm one of gaming culture's alpha self-important bearded tossers, I thought I'd discuss the trend of internet gaming humour. And by that I mean the trend of gaming webcomics. And by "trend", I mean "plague".

So you've looked at Penny Arcade, seen the massive amounts of money, prestige, and money those guys get for nine panels a week, and decided that you want in on that. Many gaming webcomic artists have thought the exact same thing - in fact, let's not beat around the bush, all gaming webcomic artists (except Penny Arcade, obviously). The first thing to do is to be, or move in with, someone who can draw, forcefully if necessary. If you don't know anyone who can draw, and you yourself draw like a flipper-handed freak child who just discovered MS Paint, don't fret, just write excessive amounts of dialogue, and hide the hideous art with huge speech bubbles. If you don't know how to draw or write, are a functionally retarded quadruple amputee, and can only communicate by banging your head against a Wacom tablet, that's still no reason to quit; you can wipe your ass with a page of Mega Man sprites, and there'll still be someone on Comic Genesis who'll tell you that it's brilliant.

The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to write what you know, the main character will obviously be you, but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be a charismatic eccentric who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire. The secondary character is the straight man, whose job it is to play comic foil to the other character's bullshit, and inexplicably tolerate his behaviour, when any sane person would be checking the Rooms To Rent pages with one hand, and slamming the idiot's face in a drawer with the other.

The third character is The Girl. You know, girls? Those mysterious creatures you see on the bus, who have their own bathrooms, and spray stingy liquid in your face. If you don't know much about girls, because your conversations with them don't last for more than a few minutes before the police are called, just use your Mum as a frame of reference, characterizing the female as a disapproving, eye-rolling nanny who tolerantly wipes up the whoopsies of the idiot man-children and chastises them with the occasional spanking. And since your ego should be swelling nicely by this point, she should also become the main character's girlfriend somehow, because she finds something adorable about the way he gets hypnotized by her breasts.

Now you have to make your comic funny. And reading most existing webcomics, one could be forgiven for thinking that humour is entirely optional, but believe it or not, there are people who laugh at that stuff, even if it's just the author's mum. Fortunately the advantage of running a gaming webcomic is that gaming humour is incredibly easy. All you have to do is apply video game logic to the real world for comic effect. For example, in say, Gears of War, you have to push the analogue stick to move forward, when in real life, you have to continually put one foot in front of the other. This might not sound like "A" material, but trust me, phrase this right, and there's a fortune to be made in Cafepress shirts. If that doesn't work, go for the edgy crowd, and do a comic implying that Mario does Luigi up the arse. And if that doesn't work, just go on about the Cake being A Lie.

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Transcript of Yahtsee's review, pt 2 - [info]redcoast, 2008-07-06 04:59 am UTC
Re: Transcript of Yahtsee's review - [info]solar_type_star, 2008-07-06 02:58 pm UTC
Re: Transcript of Yahtsee's review - [info]gunshou, 2008-07-07 01:56 am UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2008-07-06 07:19 am UTC (link)
And for those of you who like your anti-CAD humour to be even more anvilicious, and almost entirely shameless... An obligatory link:

VIDEO GAME DUDES

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(no subject) - [info]murriness, 2008-07-06 07:49 am UTC
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[info]jrs1980
2008-07-06 07:38 am UTC (link)
CAD forums are back up. I don't know where to look for commentary, though.

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