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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-07-22 19:00:00
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Entry tags:cult of nice, fandom: stargate, grudgewank, high school girls, ianto is crying, let's all get along, lj oppression, not good with criticism, not very subtle at all, oh christ here we go again, reviews, wanking inside the house, writers are often pompous douches

Reviews are MEEEAN and Sekrit Concrit! And totally NOT for the readers! Part LXXXIV
Meet [info]kyuuketsukirui. She writes reviews for SGA on her LJ , and recently reviewed a bunch of stories on [info]mcshep_match. [info]kyuuketsukirui commits the unpardonable fandom sin of saying she's disappointed in the latest [info]mcshep_match stories and will be posting her reviews soon.

Meet [info]lamardeuse. She doesn't approve of [info]kyuuketsukirui's disappointment in the stories or her reviews and says so. Many people agree with her, in the process confusing concrit and reviews. [info]kyuuketsuikirui shows up to politely disagree. [info]lamardeuse and her friends don't respond well. [info]darkrose brings in a bit of Earth logic, but it's not enough to leaven out the massive amount of Unclear On the Concept, alas.

So [info]kyuuketsukirui writes a post clarifying her position on reviews and reviews of fanfic and fandom.

[info]zillah975 makes a post about this whole civility/reviews/concrit situation, including a thread in which [info]anatsuno laments that life on the Nice Side ain't all it's cracked up to be. [info]telesilla does a post too.

No responses from [info]lamardeuse and friends. At least, not publically. That wouldn't be civil, after all.

ETA: Supposedly [info]lamardeuse was responding to [info]lavvyan, though [info]kyuuketsukirui's post seems to have been the back-breaking straw.
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[info]nonnyeve
2008-07-23 02:19 am UTC (link)
Clearly all opinions on all things must be rounded up by a witch and trapped in a tower with only their hair to keep them company to keep from seeming mean to anyone ever.

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(no subject) - [info]nefret, 2008-07-23 02:28 am UTC
Someone has fond memories of kindergarten...
[info]nefret
2008-07-23 02:24 am UTC (link)
Well, you know,I think I'm on kyuuketsukirui's side.Not because she's saner. Not because I really agree-- maybe I just don't see much of a point in reviewing an entire fest. Why not say what you liked, pick on the things you actually want to see improved, and ignore what you detested?

No, it's because lamardeuse's argument just made my head hurt. Really. tl;dr...except I did read it! How on earth do colleagues showing you pictures= fandom reviews?

And I'm first to post! this never happens:) *Mokona dance*

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GIP - [info]platedlizard, 2008-07-23 03:44 am UTC
Re: Someone has fond memories of kindergarten... - [info]lobsterbomb, 2008-07-23 10:23 pm UTC

[info]eldritch
2008-07-23 02:25 am UTC (link)
I'm happy whenever people give some indication at all that they're reading my fics, so understanding this wank is really beyond me.

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(no subject) - [info]lottelita, 2008-07-23 02:27 am UTC
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[info]barankhy
2008-07-23 02:31 am UTC (link)
My my, that's a lot of opinion [info]lamardeuse is having there. Lots of longwinded, confusing, tedious to read opinion.
...
Um, I mean. THAT IS A SUPER AWESOME READ. MOAR *is NICE*

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(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2008-07-23 02:34 am UTC

[info]darth_snuggles
2008-07-23 02:38 am UTC (link)
So you and she, once again, are left wondering what was the point of that?

Well, I dunno about you guys, but I review fics with the intent of crushing an author's delicate soul beneath by discerning boot, laughing manically all the while.

(That or, y'know, with the intent to help the author improve or some silly notion like that.)

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(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2008-07-23 03:02 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2008-07-28 04:33 am UTC

[info]danceswithelvis
2008-07-23 02:49 am UTC (link)
Say what?

Their (lamardeuse and her "nice cult" minions) logic gives me brain cramps.



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AND - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-07-23 02:51 am UTC
Re: AND - [info]lottelita, 2008-07-23 03:18 am UTC

[info]themadmermaid
2008-07-23 02:50 am UTC (link)
When I lived in F_W land, I took hellfires for granted. They did not make me cry and drive me away. Now that I'm reformed, they fucking SCORCH. And so I back away, every time a little more.

Hellfire? Is that why it's so warm in here? *fans self*

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-07-23 02:57 am UTC
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[info]inarticulate
2008-07-23 02:57 am UTC (link)
I see a bunch of people politely disagreeing, but I'm not quite sure where the wank is. I'm not quite sure people confusing concrit and reviews is quite doing it for me, considering how very promising the post read as until I started clicking links.

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[info]tunxeh
2008-07-23 02:58 am UTC (link)
Not the first time an attempt to provide a thorough set of reviews has led to wank...

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[info]ingrid
2008-07-23 03:02 am UTC (link)
Whining about a negative public reaction to your reviews is exactly as pointless and unattractive as whining about the negative reviews your fic receives.

You posts your posts, you takes your chances. Here's a hard hat, there's your head, you know the rest.

Anyone have a recipe for veggie lasagna?

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(no subject) - [info]themadmermaid, 2008-07-23 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ingrid, 2008-07-23 03:10 am UTC
Sauce - [info]themadmermaid, 2008-07-23 03:35 am UTC
Lasagna - [info]themadmermaid, 2008-07-23 03:43 am UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2008-07-23 03:08 am UTC (link)
Fandom is fundamentally a supportive community of authors and artists and vidders

Ahahahahahaha

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Heh. - [info]sheep, 2008-07-23 01:26 pm UTC
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tree
2008-07-23 03:09 am UTC (link)
Fandom is fundamentally a supportive community of authors and artists and vidders and others who only have their mutual joy, love and squee as reward for their creative efforts.

I'll just leave that there as it is, not daring to ruin it with a comment.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2008-07-23 03:13 am UTC (link)
Lamardeuse's name translates in my little biligual-Canadian brain as 'the shitter'.

/foodforthought

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(no subject) - [info]zulu, 2008-07-23 03:50 am UTC
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[info]rotten_fish
2008-07-23 03:53 am UTC (link)
As far as a Series of Unfortunate Events goes, Larmwhatsits went over to Kyuuwhatsits's lj and left a comment saying "Wow you've pissed me off! I'm writing a post about this! THANK YOU" and then Kyuuwhatsits assumes it's about her reviews, and it apparently isn't, but it all goes to hell anyway. Telesilla's response thread is pretty wanky too.

“Well, in general they’re pretty good for a first effort, but I have to say the perspective isn’t quite right, and I would have framed this one differently. This one – yeah, that’s kind of overexposed, you might want to work on that, and I see where your thumb is covering part of the lens in this one.”

You’re horrified by the second one, right? Because when you get right down to it, who the hell are you to criticize this person, a virtual stranger, just because you happen to smile at each other in the copy room every other day?

So am I an aspie or is this not actually very horrifying at all? :\ The only thing I wouldn't say is "this is pretty good for a first effort." But Christ, when people say read and review, do they really mean, "say this is nice or just forget you read it at all"?

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-07-23 04:40 am UTC
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[info]ari_o
2008-07-23 04:13 am UTC (link)
So I shouldn't have spent all that money for an MFA in fanfic when all I had to do was be a shiny happy robot? DAMN! Why don't you people stop me before I take out loans!

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(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2008-07-23 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2008-07-23 05:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2008-07-23 05:01 am UTC
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[info]snerkfen
2008-07-23 04:22 am UTC (link)
Oh can't you see, you mean-hearted souls? You're making baby jesus cry. Haven't y'all taken Fandom 101 - if you ain't got nothing nice to say, ya don't say anything. Fandom ain't about choosing your own poison; Fandom is all about adhering to civility -- based on certain people's ideals. The rest of y'all just go away and shut your traps like good lil' peeps.

Gospel truth. Swear ta god.

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(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2008-07-23 04:24 am UTC
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[info]khym_chanur
2008-07-23 04:50 am UTC (link)
I can't remember who said this, but I remember reading this analysis of fandom a while ago:

Fanfic writers and readers form into two groups: The first write and read fanfic to write and read. The second write and read fanfic to be part of a community, as a form of social interaction. Writers from the second group perceive negative reviews and crit in context of "fanfic = community and social interaction", which means that negative stuff equals personal attacks. Having a different context people from the first group are totally baffles by the outrage that negative crit or reviews engenders.

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(no subject) - [info]sgtgeorgecarter, 2008-07-23 05:21 am UTC
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[info]gmth
2008-07-23 06:02 am UTC (link)
What, this again?

Has anyone on either side of the issue actually said anything new or different or, I don't know... interesting this time around?

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-07-23 06:05 am UTC

[info]brown_betty
2008-07-23 06:17 am UTC (link)
A pro author showed up to comment on my review of her novel where I accused her justifying rape. And she was way classier.

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[info]sunhawk
2008-07-23 06:17 am UTC (link)
Argh, the passive-aggressive hypocrisy of the Cult of Nice is so incredibly annoying; give me straight-up, harsh confrontation any day!

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[info]phosfate
2008-07-23 06:17 am UTC (link)
I hope lamardeuse's fiction is more coherent than her meta.

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2008-07-23 06:26 am UTC
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[info]furiosity
2008-07-23 07:07 am UTC (link)
It's like being in a time machine.

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[info]risha
2008-07-23 07:07 am UTC (link)
ETA: Supposedly [info]lamardeuse was responding to [info]lavvyan, though [info]kyuuketsukirui's post seems to have been the back-breaking straw.

*pauses*

*pages back through last several days of [info]lavvyan's posts again*

Well, she did comment in a general way about it, and she's been reccing some of the match stories, and discussing what could have gone better with this year as a whole... I really don't see what [info]lamardeuse could have her panties in a twist about, though.

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2008-07-23 07:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2008-07-29 10:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-07-29 03:44 pm UTC

[info]annaham
2008-07-23 07:30 am UTC (link)
*whistles REM's "Shiny Happy People"*

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[info]pokecheck
2008-07-23 07:35 am UTC (link)
Hey! D.Gray-Man fandom did this last year.

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(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2008-07-24 03:58 am UTC
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