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Thennary Nak ([info]seca) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-07-22 18:15:00


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Entry tags:fandom: torchwood, ianto is crying, mary sues

Non-sexy wank about Torchwood
Small Torchwood wank, and not the kind that makes Jack happy in the pants.

It begins when [info]santousha makes an entry in her LJ asking whether or not Ianto Jones from Torchwood could be a Mary Sue. People of course react, one of them is someone claiming to be the instigator, [info]karaokegal. [info]karaokegal says she will stay out of the conversation because she partly started the debate, but somehow fails to follow through on her words.

She even goes so far as later making her own journal entry about how Ianto is RTD's Mary Sue.

[info]santousha insists on making two more posts about this topic to make sure it's clear that shagging Jack does not make someone special.




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[info]skeleton_key
2008-07-23 04:45 am UTC (link)
Heh. Second person on my flist to be in a wank.

Whee. *shrugs* Sometimes people do stupid things.

Also, this post needs more naked Jack.

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[info]ari_o
2008-07-23 04:46 am UTC (link)
So butthurt Gwen fen?

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[info]mer1973
2008-07-23 04:51 am UTC (link)
Aww come on! Everybody knows Rose is RTD's Mary Sue, not Ianto.

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[info]barankhy
2008-07-23 05:01 am UTC (link)
santousha insists on making two more posts about this topic to make sure it's clear that shagging Jack does not make someone special.
Well, from what I've gathered via my flist, of course it doesn't. Everyone and their pterodactyl is doing it.

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[info]eldritch
2008-07-23 05:05 am UTC (link)
Of course Ianto's a Mary Sue! I mean, come on, he has a pterodactyl. That's practically a requirement to be one. Next season we'll be finding out about his color-changing mood ring penis eyes, mark my words.

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[info]freewheel
2008-07-23 05:28 am UTC (link)
I don't know about him being a Mary Sue but Ianto ♥s pie.

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[info]nonnyeve
2008-07-23 05:53 am UTC (link)
I never saw much of torchwood but Ianto hardly seemed sue-like compared to some of the rest of the cast.

But then, I was distracted by the horrable looking fishlips on Owen and the hot mankissing that occured on the show.

(Btw, are the servers being robust for anyone else?)

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[info]honorh
2008-07-23 06:59 am UTC (link)
I get so sick of Mary Sue, I swear. At least this time, it's not a woman being crowned MS for the crime of appearing on a show, but I'm up to *here* with accusations of Suedom being flung about with abandon--in some cases, before the character in question has even appeared onscreen. The arguments never go anywhere, but just devolve into clashing definitions of what a Mary Sue is, and one of those definitions invariably encompasses every fictional character ever (and most real people, too).

Besides, if Jack isn't the biggest Marty Stu to ever appear on DW (God bless 'im), I'll eat my hat. Gorgeous, American, bisexual, rescues the Doctor's companion, displays instant sexual chemistry with the companion and makes the Doctor jealous, owns impressive futuristic technology, is a former Time Agent and current dashing-rogue conman, nearly loses his life making up for his dastardly actions, and ends up a trusted member of Team TARDIS. And immortal. Next to that, anyone else is small change.

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[info]demonbean
2008-07-23 07:50 am UTC (link)
You really aren't watching the same show as most of the people you know. See this link. Did you not see it when it was a meme? you're to write down the "titles" of the shows you're watching. Lots of Firefly fans are watching The Crazy Space Incest Show. West Wing fans watch The C.J Cregg is Awesome Show, etc.

I love how the comments on the article mainly go something like: "It's all so clear now! My friends are biased, and I'm the only one who can see clearly!"

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[info]fishies
2008-07-23 08:39 am UTC (link)
This reminds me of when I read a fanfic in which Ianto turned into Jesus. Fun times.

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[info]southbitch
2008-07-23 08:52 am UTC (link)
Someone's dream come true :)

Doesn't Ianto have like 2 minutes of screentime each episode? how can the guy be a Mary Sue if the show writers don't even bother writing him in the episodes?

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[info]serafina20
2008-07-23 10:57 am UTC (link)
karaokegal responds to being fandom wank wondering why fangirls who don't think Ianto shagging Jack makes him special and sue-ish, why do they like it when it's shown on screen, but not when characters they don't necessarily like paired with Jack are shown or alluded too? Because, now, apparently, fans liking a certain ship dictate Sueishness... or something. I'm not sure I follow the logic.

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[info]knightrider
2008-07-23 11:48 am UTC (link)
If Ianto were a Mary Sue surely he'd have been a Mary Sue from the start, instead of being not-much-at-all in season 1 and then made-of-awesome in season 2?

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[info]bienegold
2008-07-23 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Ianto is...not the character in that show I would peg as a Mary Sue with both Jack and Gwen there, just saying.

Mmm. Ianto.

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(no subject) - [info]darthsemicolon, 2008-07-23 04:50 pm UTC

[info]squeakthemouse
2008-07-23 01:17 pm UTC (link)
First Rose, now Ianto... RTD's racking up the Sues, isn't he? Stephanie Meyer better look out--there's a new bitch in town.

Actually, I take that back. Until Ianto starts sparkling, SMeyer wins.

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[info]shecanread
2008-07-23 01:19 pm UTC (link)
I think I remember how [info]karaokegal kept comparing Ianto to Cameron from House, saying that's the reason she doesn't like him. Something along those lines. I never quite understood this. So, is Cameron a Mary Sue too then?

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[info]napalmnacey
2008-07-23 01:23 pm UTC (link)
See, I *like* a lot of these supposed Mary Sues. I like Jack! I like Ianto! I like Gwen, I even liked Owen in the end (I don't know how that happened, I really don't). So if those are RTD's Mary Sues, then he can keep on pumping them out. I don't give a shit.

Except that curly-haired archaeologist twat that kept stating how much she knew about the Doctor and how much she meant to him. See, that was just annoying and that plot is a big ol' knot or hole that they are going to have to either write around or forget about. Maybe I just didn't like the actress, or the writing was shit for her. Not sure.

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[info]iczer6
2008-07-23 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone else get the feeling that only reason for the dislike has more to do with the character being romantically involved with another male character?

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[info]tarash
2008-07-23 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so Ianto is a Sue because he's smart, snarky, loyal and sleeps with Jack? Where are the superpowers? The undying love from everyone else? The magical pets? He's not even that pretty!

If anyone's a Mary Sue, it's Jack with his immortality and ability to make everyone want to have sex with him.

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[info]marshall_law
2008-07-23 02:55 pm UTC (link)
What? No really, what?

They think Ianto is a Mary Sue? I must be watching the wrong show, because although S2!Ianto is made of awesome, when it comes to tallying up the Sue traits he's pretty far behind Gwen and MILES behind Jack. I mean, come on.

I am also mystified as to how Jack wanting to bang him automatically makes him a Mary Sue, seeing as Jack will have sex with anything that moves. Thinly-disgused ship jealousy?

Clearly the answer to this is a IantoXJackXGwenXRhys foursome. Think laterally, people!

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(no subject) - coreopsis, 2008-07-23 06:16 pm UTC

[info]ladyofviolets
2008-07-23 03:27 pm UTC (link)
As said before, it seems that to some people "canon Sue = asshole/slut who dares to NOT cater to MY concept of what a good character is and/or DAREs to lay his/her paws on MY favorite chara, OMG OMG OMG!!!111".

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[info]lady_ganesh
2008-07-23 04:39 pm UTC (link)
He and Jack are the only members in TW who have a gimmick, Jack has his 1940's garb and Ianto has his suits

Wait, wearing a suit is a gimmick now?

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(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2008-07-23 05:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-07-23 05:37 pm UTC
Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]yattara, 2008-07-23 05:43 pm UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-07-23 08:41 pm UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-07-23 11:41 pm UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]tisiphone, 2008-07-24 01:39 am UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]msmanna, 2008-07-24 03:28 am UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]lilpocketnin, 2008-07-24 07:27 am UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]honorh, 2008-07-24 06:42 am UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]doyle, 2008-07-25 01:09 pm UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]tarash, 2008-07-25 06:58 pm UTC
Re: Note: I don't think she's a Sue. - [info]floriatosca, 2008-08-04 01:27 pm UTC

[info]webbgirl
2008-07-23 09:14 pm UTC (link)
I have yet to see her give an argument as to why Ianto is anymore a Sue than the other TW characters that doesn't boil down to "Because all the fangirls love him and I don't!"

Yes, there are many authors who write Ianto and Jack extreeeeeeemly saccharine, but that doesn't make him a Sue on the show.

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[info]rushikayu13
2008-07-23 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Hang on, this is a show where the dead come to life, the American exchange student time traveller attempts to have sex with the universe and they're claiming that Ianto is a Sue?

...And I don't think Gwen's a Sue either, although I would like some explanation as to how she suddenly became the leader of Torchwood between S1 and S2 (my bet is that Owen had the mistaken impression that his full house would beat her royal flush *shot*).

Also, I'm not getting the difference between him being the 'canon' Mary Sue and being 'RTD's' Sue (which, as many people have pointed out is obviously Rose). Someone clarify, please?

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-07-23 10:21 pm UTC
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[info]biichan
2008-07-23 10:28 pm UTC (link)
If Ianto were a Mary Sue, wouldn't he be Chris Chibnall's and not RTD's?

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