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Reeve Kasahara ([info]reeve) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-08-06 09:11:00


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Entry tags:entitlement, photoshop, videogames

Our new rainbow overlords
Here we have yet another tale of video game fanboy entitlement, but one that doesn't involve the ongoing Console Wars for a change. In fact, the game involved is a PC/Mac title: Blizzard's highly-anticipated Diablo III.

It all started with an online petition calling for "Renewed artistic direction for Diablo 3". According to the petitioners, the Diablo universe calls for gothic, dark realism, but the new game's art direction is "cartoon'ish" and reminiscent of the Warcraft titles, with color and variety and *gasp* RAINBOWS! What they want is:

- A darker, gothic, cryptic and creepier environment.

- A more realistic artistic direction, more independent from the Warcraft universe art direction.

- Darker dungeons without a blue/green environment, Diablo dungeons are dark and shadowy.

- The return of the light radius / shadow system from Diablo 1 and 2, a concept modified picture made by me roughly shows and suggests how the shadow system should work on Diablo 3: http://i31.tinypic.com/2zta5o7.jpg

- Slightly less colorful and less vivid outside scenarios, they are too heavily influenced by the World of Warcraft ones.

- Darker and less colorful landscapes, Tristam never was colorful and beautiful: here's how it looked in Diablo 1 (before the evil was released across the lands): http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5194/tristram2jh.jpg

- And most importantly: An independent and renewed artistic direction, not a recycled art direction taken from the Warcraft world, Diablo never was meant to be as cartoon'ish as Warcraft, they shall have independent and distinct styles, this isnt happening in Diablo 3, at first sight it looks like a remake of World of Warcraft, graphically and artistically speaking.

- Example of the heavy influence from World of Warcraft that we dont think it fits the Diablo universe: http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6795/diabloiii20080628035157dw4.jpg and http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss9-hires.jpg


Rounding out the petition are several links to images depicting what Diablo III should look like. In short, everything should look a lot more grey and brown.

MTV Multiplayer later posts an interview with Diablo III's lead designer in which these fan mockups are discussed and criticized at length. For example, here's what the designer had to say about this one, depicting what the petitioners want in terms of lighting:

The key thing to remember here is that this has been Photoshopped. This isn’t created by the engine. Though it looks really cool, it’s almost impossible to do in a 3D engine because you can’t have lighting that smart and run on systems that are reasonable. If we could do that, we probably would in a few of the dungeons.

Now in terms of the actual texturing, this texturing, where they grayed out everything and it’s very flat and the monsters are all kind of a similar tone — that does not play well. It’s very boring to run through more than a couple of times, and it’s very difficult to tell creatures apart and pop them out of the environment. So those things don’t really work for us. A lot of the lighting stuff I think is very cool, but it’s also not very doable for us.

The rainbow (or lack thereof, rather) in one of the altered screenshots is also discussed:

More rain? It’s funny because if watch later on in the [debut gameplay] video, we have more rain. It is much stronger than that. I’m sure they got rid of the rainbow. Yeah, rainbow — gone. I think our artist just put [the rainbow] in there because they knew that’d be controversial. And I’m sure they were like, “Well we’ll see how far we can push it.”

There is anger and annoyance in the comments, representing both sides of the argument:

simon says:
August 4th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
i’m a designer for interactive and movie stuff. and from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

hey guy’s at blizzard: learn from hollywood - the industry evolved a few more years than you guys. and they moved on from gay all-colouful scenes we’re all were used to in the 80’s to sophisticated looks that create immersive experiences.


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Bob says:
August 4th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Airdom is wrong and obviously a WoW-freak. Those of us who have enjoyed the legacy of Diablo have been waiting this release for awhile.

We fans are simply stating what should be obvious to anyone with a somewhere other than their FPS trigger-fingers: Blizzard is selling-out to the success of WoW at the expense of they’re loyal audience.

Their responses are cookie-cutter B.S. to anyone with design experience and I hope they’re new coloring-book WoW knock-off flops. Change the freaking title and develop something that does the Diablo legacy justice.


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blackcracka says:
August 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Just turn your brightness down and set the color settings on your monitor to ‘complete crap’ and you’ll have the lighting and colors you deserve.


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Mike says:
August 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Ok, basically what he’s saying is that:

You’re all gothfags who need to play WoW ’cause it’s an awesome game and everything except fairyland cartoon-graphics is boring.

Also: WoW = Diablo II + cartoony graphics = pretty much Diablo III wannabe.
Therefore Diablo III = WoW2, which explains the cartoony graphics.


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The Myst says:
August 5th, 2008 at 1:41 am
I can say this much, I will be modding the HELL out of this game when it’s released. If the devs want to make it look cartoony, fine by them. They just need to prepare for the backlash by the fans. DIABLO IS NOT WoW. If you played WoW (ITZ T3H BESTZORZ LOL!!!) and read this article, hit the back button right now ’cause you have no right to comment.


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Anon says:
August 5th, 2008 at 5:44 am
If you faggots want a desaturated game, turn down the colour on your monitor.

I for one welcome our new rainbow overlords


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Pulyx says:
August 5th, 2008 at 9:34 am
People have this idea that COLOR IS BAD. And it’s so ~%#?@#* stupid. People who give up playing mario or zelda games cause they are colorful.
Where did this non-saturated colors=MANLY notion came from ?
Football is all colorful and is still manly. Resident Evil 5 is MEGA saturated in color and is still brutal.
Not to mention most of these idiots play Final Fantasy (the gayest @##% around) and think its still awesome.

People need to shut up, cause you know, making games isn’t A DEMOCRACY. Blizzard won’t change the whole thing on a WHIM.

people complain and ?*%?? but they’ll still buy the game when it comes out. So please, make your peace with it, because that’s what coming out. DEAL WITH IT.


And of course, there's the obligatory Penny Arcade comic.

ETA: So it seems Blizzard is now looking for a new art director for Diablo III after their previous one quit. Fanboys, now's your chance!




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[info]jkefka
2008-08-06 05:37 pm UTC (link)
As usual, Gabe and Tycho basically have this one nailed.

Personally? You could set it in My Little Pony land and give you a care-bear berserker for all I care. It's f'ing Diablo. Crack by any other name is still crack.

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-08-06 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]makeshyft, 2008-08-06 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2008-08-06 09:37 pm UTC

[info]eleganceliberty
2008-08-06 05:40 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering what the newest Penny Arcade comic was about (as they hadn't updated the blog as of this comment), but... damn.

Why the hate for color, guys? Color isn't bad!

Also, Blizzard fans are really some of the wankiest fans this side of Square-Enix and Zelda.

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(no subject) - [info]gunshou, 2008-08-07 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gunshou, 2008-08-07 04:30 am UTC

[info]lobsterbomb
2008-08-06 05:44 pm UTC (link)
The Dev point of view is probably this:

If you're going to whine and buy the game, whine all you want, you're giving us money, we don't care.

If you're going to whine and not buy the game, whine all you want, you're not our customer and thus we have no obligation to cater to your tastes.

o so srs

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2008-08-07 03:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]twoiskewl, 2008-08-07 05:50 am UTC

[info]ereshkigal
2008-08-06 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Their constant use of gay as an insulting descriptor makes it all gel into something that sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher in my head: WAH WAH WAH.

OMG RAINBOWS!

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Another solution
[info]miraba
2008-08-06 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I'm rather fond of this suggestion on Slashdot:

"Here's what you can do:

1. get some transparency paper [google.com]
2. print out a radial gradient fill that's clear in the middle and black on the edges
3. paste it on your screen"

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Re: Another solution - [info]drhenryjekyll, 2008-08-06 07:35 pm UTC
Re: Another solution - [info]lyssa, 2008-08-07 05:38 am UTC
Re: Another solution - [info]reeve, 2008-08-06 08:11 pm UTC

[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2008-08-06 06:09 pm UTC (link)
I for one Welcome a Diablo where I can actually see what's happening.

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(no subject) - [info]catmoran, 2008-08-06 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2008-08-06 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2008-08-06 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2008-08-07 03:38 am UTC

[info]beccastareyes
2008-08-06 06:12 pm UTC (link)
As a rule, I am against any set of graphics that turns into a murky, colorless mess on my monitor. I've played far too many games where 'dark' turns into 'if an enemy comes out or anything happens that requires me to see, I am so screwed'. (Seriously, I don't know if it's just a crummy TV, but I remember night/underground scenes in FF10 and Zelda games where I couldn't see where the hell I was running.)

(Also, use of gay as a pejorative? Not cool.)

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(no subject) - [info]drhenryjekyll, 2008-08-06 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-08-06 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]akatsuki_ame, 2008-08-07 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyssa, 2008-08-07 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cythraul, 2008-08-07 02:23 pm UTC

[info]ashenmote
2008-08-06 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Well, of course Diablo III needs to look dark and grim and gothic so that we can fully enjoy the fireworks of our poncy, sparkly skill- and spell-effects! Duh.

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(no subject) - [info]makeshyft, 2008-08-06 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aviatrix, 2008-08-07 05:41 pm UTC

[info]ashenmote
2008-08-06 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Also, everyone knows that a visit to the Sekkrit Cow Level is the computer gaming equivalent to bartending in the dark.

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2008-08-06 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-08-10 01:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_jafaria, 2008-08-06 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shahrizai, 2008-08-06 09:28 pm UTC

[info]cassildra
2008-08-06 06:50 pm UTC (link)
I for one welcome our rainbow overlords

I am far too amused by this comment.

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[info]anarchicq
2008-08-06 06:58 pm UTC (link)
So they want visibility nil? Gotcha.

If I want no visibility, I'd play Silent Hi-...oh, wait.

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[info]peachespig
2008-08-06 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Oh man I'm looking forward to this game! D2 was one of my all-time favorites, with many an hour wasted whiled away crawling through Nightmare with my characters, all of whom were named after Harry Potter characters. All Blizzard has to do is give me basically the same game again but with new skill trees and new environments, and I'll melt into a puddle of bliss.

Oh, right, the wank!

i’m a designer for interactive and movie stuff fourteen-year-old boy. and from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

Fixed that for you! Here's a little tip: "gay" is not an appraisal used very frequently by actual professionals. And before you ask, no, "megagay" is not any better.

It’s not like we restarted the project and were like “Diablo III — now with rainbows!” Although I will say the pitch that I originally did, once we decided what we were going to do, said “Diablo III — now with pants.” Because we added a pants slot.

Mr. Game Designer, I think I love you. ♥

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(no subject) - [info]valinus, 2008-08-06 07:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]makeshyft, 2008-08-06 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikiki, 2008-08-06 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skijg, 2008-08-08 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2008-08-06 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluenakedlady, 2008-08-06 11:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2008-08-07 02:10 pm UTC
the important questions in life - [info]goblin, 2008-08-07 04:03 pm UTC
Re: the important questions in life - [info]peachespig, 2008-08-07 06:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-08-10 01:31 am UTC

[info]jadeleopard
2008-08-06 07:24 pm UTC (link)
DIABLO IS NOT WoW. If you played WoW (ITZ T3H BESTZORZ LOL!!!) and read this article, hit the back button right now ’cause you have no right to comment.

Uh, so liking wow means I'm not allowed to like Diablo, or voice any opinion I may have? Love the logic there. *eyeroll*

I'm just really excited about being able to play a female barbarian, especially one that looks like a female barbarian.

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(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2008-08-06 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cythraul, 2008-08-07 02:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jadeleopard, 2008-08-07 05:25 pm UTC

[info]the__ivorytower
2008-08-06 07:46 pm UTC (link)
i’m a designer for interactive and movie stuff. and from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

lolololol

Ahem.

From my own, personal perspective, if I can play a Diablo game without having to turn my gamma up so fucking high that it washes out the colour, I will be happy. Bring on cartoony, less eye strain for me.

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(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2008-08-07 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2008-08-07 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-08-10 01:32 am UTC

[info]anarchicq
2008-08-06 07:46 pm UTC (link)
My Significant Other just c/p'd me the PA comic.

I said "Yeah, I saw it on FandomWank."

And he said...and I quote...
"It made me think of twilight wank and by proxy you!"

He's not a Wanka, but he reads some wank every now and again, looks at fandomsecrets, and listens to my dramatic tellings of wank, so I'm strangely touched. A man who LISTENS!

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-08-07 10:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]palabradot, 2008-08-07 02:01 pm UTC

[info]msmanna
2008-08-06 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty much going to be spending the next year or eighteen months tapping my fingers impatiently and whining Are we nearly there yet??? until DIII arrives. I've been playing Hellgate:London recently, which has reignited my Diablo craving something fierce. Not a bad game, but nowhere near the replayability of Diablo II, and the production studio just laid off all its staff, so.

While I'm here, can anyone recommend a good multiplayer game I can play cooperatively with my husband? Preferably one where my lack of coordination, inability to remember more than a dozen or so buttons and tendency to panic under stress isn't too much of a problem. (I've been looking at City of Heroes -- I picked up a really cheap copy on e-bay but I haven't installed it yet.)

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(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2008-08-06 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-06 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2008-08-06 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-06 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-08-06 10:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-06 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-08-07 02:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-07 03:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quantrail, 2008-08-07 12:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-07 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2008-08-07 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-07 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quantrail, 2008-08-07 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2008-08-07 03:43 am UTC
OT: City of Heroes / Villains - [info]elainemc, 2008-08-07 07:18 pm UTC

[info]lady_jafaria
2008-08-06 08:07 pm UTC (link)
"From a professional standpoint, this is gay."

Feel the professionalism. Isn't it just astounding?

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[info]alya1989262
2008-08-06 08:24 pm UTC (link)
from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay

...

You’re all gothfags who need to play WoW

...

If you faggots want a desaturated game

What is this, Gratuitous Homophobia Land?

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2008-08-06 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2008-08-06 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2008-08-07 04:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-08-07 10:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-08-08 11:50 am UTC
Shit, now I just lost! - [info]hxmxcrashtrap, 2008-08-12 09:19 am UTC
Re: Shit, now I just lost! - [info]blackjackrocket, 2008-08-12 09:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyssa, 2008-08-07 05:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-08-07 05:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyssa, 2008-08-08 01:48 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-08-10 01:34 am UTC

[info]seiberwing
2008-08-06 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I get the feeling that they don't leave the house much. If they did they'd notice that the world is full of color even around dusk, especially with bright reds and yellows. Putting everything through a bad filter is really not that realistic.

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[info]lidane
2008-08-06 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Where did this non-saturated colors=MANLY notion came from?

Apparently, someone hasn't played a next-gen game in a while. =P

Also, the idiots complaing about Diablo III having brighter colors can fuck right off. Being able to see my surroundings when I play + female avatars for every class + the crack that is Diablo = WIN.

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[info]eleganceliberty
2008-08-06 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Also, I bet these are the same people who shat their pants and called 'Wind Waker' "gay" after seeing it too.

But then again, the sky is also blue.

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(no subject) - [info]valinus, 2008-08-06 09:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleganceliberty, 2008-08-06 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]akatsuki_ame, 2008-08-07 02:08 am UTC

[info]darsynia
2008-08-06 08:43 pm UTC (link)
LOL FANBOYS. THIS FANGIRL IS HERE TO TELL YOU IT'S 'TRISTRAM'.

Okay, now I'll be more rational... So, I'm a WoW fangirl as well as a long-time Diabloite, and I gotta say, yes, the first Diablo title was dark liek woah. DII, though? That was pretty colorful. Also, the DIII gameplay video kicks all manner of ass, and doesn't at all look out of place in the universe, to me. My biggest complaint with Diablo II was that the gameplay encouraged running through the same zones over and over and over killing the same things to get items. I don't MIND repetitive, but if they're making efforts for it to be more visually interesting! Woot!

from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

Gotta love this, here. I wish *MY* profession allowed me to refer to things professionally as gay. NOT.

sophisticated looks that create immersive experiences.

Wait, isn't that what they were trying to do? There was a frigging WATERFALL in the background of one of the outdoor zones, that you could cross in front of on a bridge full of monsters. I guess it was supposed to be raining and each droplet was supposed to be cutting itself as it fell, or something.

Where did this non-saturated colors=MANLY notion came from ?
Football is all colorful and is still manly. Resident Evil 5 is MEGA saturated in color and is still brutal.
Not to mention most of these idiots play Final Fantasy (the gayest @##% around) and think its still awesome.


Exactly! And wow, I'm not objective at all, haha.

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(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2008-08-06 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2008-08-06 10:13 pm UTC

[info]nibor
2008-08-06 09:09 pm UTC (link)
Where did this non-saturated colors=MANLY notion came from ?
Because brown is realistic. Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation ranted about this more than once.

Also TF2 is bright and colorful and fun. I guess it's not manly though since there are colors other than brown and other brown. Silly people.

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[info]chikane
2008-08-06 09:17 pm UTC (link)
and from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

This sentence probably says all that can be said about this fracas and the people involved.

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[info]murriness
2008-08-06 09:25 pm UTC (link)
i’m a designer for interactive and movie stuff. and from a professional point of view the vivid toy-colors are quite childish and gay.

I believe it. Sure he's being vague to describe what he is involved in and he uses words that I don't think a gameing or movie designer would consider "professional" but, come on. Why would he lie?

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(no subject) - [info]demonbean, 2008-08-07 07:02 am UTC


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