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Becky ([info]ruffwriter) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-08-08 20:54:00


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Entry tags:authors, entitlement, fandom: twilight, haxxorz, interrogating from the wrong perspective, smart bitches trashy books, this is the wank that never ends

Sparkledammerung: The Continuation
Since [info]cleolinda has had more than enough Twilight, it seems, I thought I'd take her up on her offer to move the growing wank to a new post.

Previously, on the Sparkledammerug: People weren't happy.

Entertainment Weekly, previously best known in the Twilight fandom for its extensive coverage of the hype and for this monstrosity of a cover, reviewed Breaking Dawn in the issue released today. The overall grade was a D.

The review was posted to [info]lion_lamb, the Edward/Bella comm. Commenters quickly divide on the issue: some agree with the review, some find it "too harsh," and some think EW missed the point entirely.

A few hours later, this interview with Stephenie Meyer is posted.

EW: Fan reaction to Breaking Dawn has been wild in both directions - they have been like "I love this book" and some people were like "I have questions about this book" Why do you think that is?

SMeyer: Well, I've actually named it the "Rob Effect." For some reason, it seems like the fans take a couple days to get used to something. And it was most obvious when they announced who was gonna be playing Edward and everyone freaked out, and there was all this online controversy and now everyone completely loves Rob. So, I knew that it was gonna be an interesting ride for a lot of people, they had their idea of what was going to happen, and if the book didn't match up they were gonna have a problem with that, and of course the book didn't match up to what everyone imagined, so I was expecting. And I'm hoping that after they have a chance to think about the ending I wrote, it'll grow on them.


Most fans roll their eyes at SMeyer, and others agree that the "haters" will probably love the books in a few weeks. Unfortunately, this mod post prompted comments to be disabled, but this exchange was saved (thank you, [info]greenconverses!):

vip4321: People, it's HER BOOK. She will write it however she likes it and if you have a problem, DONT SAY ANYTHING. Frankly, nobody cares. I like the book and so do a lot of people.

poetrytoprose: Please don't be so condescending and generalizing. It really hurts my brain when any criticism towards the book degrades any fan to anything less than "a true fan."

vip4321: Oh so you think being a true fan means putting the author and her work down? Wow, what's with the world? I know people are entitled to their own opinion and congrats to them, but im just so tired of all the SM, BD and Robert bashing. It's about time to get over it. Seriously. Don't you agree? All this negativity over stuff you can't change is stupid.

Most of the deleted comments were along those lines, with the mods vainly trying to tell everyone to be respectful.

[info]lion_lamb isn't the only place where the wank is, though.

SMeyer tells MTV.com that the backlash "hurts." Most comments run along the lines of "LEAVE STEPHENIE ALONE!!!!"

The Twilight Lexicon takes a position on BD, and disallow character-bashing, expressing disapproval at SMeyer's writing, and calling Jacob a pedophile.

And if you're tired of the wank, have an extended Twilight parody in which Edward is turned into a cranky, scrapbooking virgin?

It's going to be a long August.

EDIT THE FIRST: Nora Roberts smash!

EDIT THE SECOND: Dissapointed 'Breaking Dawn' fans organize protest. Twilighters in the comments claim that the haters only make up 10% of the reader base.

EDIT THE THIRD: The Twilight Lexicon is hacked! EDIT THE THREE-POINT-FIFTH: One of the Lexicon mods posts about it on her journal. Is the Lexicon no more? ETC: Screencaps of a troll post made to the Lex shortly before the hacking. ETC THE RECKONING: The hacker speaks? ETA SQUARED: Lexicon admin claims it's not an inside job, posts messages from the hacker. ARE YOU KIDDING ME: And the hacker speaks again! (deleted) THIS DESERVES ITS OWN POST: Amazon.com boards on the hacking, with a surprise guest appearance by Laurel K. Hamilton's personal assistant?

EDIT THE FOURTH: ... off-topic, but were we just deleted for a bit?

EDIT THE FIFTH: Twilight Moms have possibly gone underground. FIVE-POINT-FIFTH: Confirmation! YEAH, WE'RE STILL GOING: The TwiMoms have returned, and ready to stroke Steph's ego all over again!

EDIT THE SIXTH: The Washington Post review of BD. Not wanky, just hilarious.

EDIT THE SEVENTH: Smart Bitches, Trashy Books weighs in. Smug Twilighter alert in the comments.

EDIT THE EIGHTH: Twatlympics?

EDIT THE NINTH: The haters draft a petition!

EDIT THE TENTH: You don't know the history of Twilight. Darla Cook does. TEN-POINT-FIVE: And she keeps on going, too.

DOES IT EVER END: Publishers' Weekly article on the protest. They think Twilight's audience consists entirely of teenagers. Ahahaha... ha.




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[info]hilarity
2008-08-09 04:21 am UTC (link)
As someone in one of those Twilight bashing LJ communities said, the Rob Effect doesn't apply to this. People got over the RPatz thing when they saw him in character. These same people have read the book and still hate it, Smeyer.

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[info]stele3
2008-08-09 04:25 am UTC (link)
Damn you. I was just getting together a post of my own. *shakes fist*

Ah, well, saves me the effort. Mayhaps I could trouble you to edit for this gem? It's an exchange over on dearauthor: http://community.livejournal.com/lion_lamb/1669455.html

Mojo: You know, I think this is clearly a case of wringing blood out of a turnip by the publisher and editors. They’re the ones who control the channel to the marketplace. If Meyer doesn’t have a commitment to the craft, who’s to blame? Meyer? No. The publisher and editors who facilitated her in that. If she has any thought about “craft” at all, I’d be surprised–and that’s not her fault.

Nora Roberts: Yes, it is. Her name’s on the book. It’s her work.

I haven’t read Twilight yet, or any of those that follow, so I’m not commented on her craft. But it is the author who’s responsible for what’s on the page.



I'm mentally adding in the fingersnaps. NORA ROBERTS SPAKE THUS, AND THUS IT WAS SO.

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[info]reeve
2008-08-09 04:30 am UTC (link)
(Psst, I think you meant "The review was posted", not "The interview was posted".)

And wow, the words "true" and "fan" are being thrown around. That's a sure sign of SERIOUS BIZNESS.

This book sounds awful and bizarre, but the wank remains entertaining. Cheers, everyone *hoists champagne glass filled with popcorn*

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[info]rowsdower
2008-08-09 04:40 am UTC (link)
Completely OT, but hell yeah Johan icon!

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[info]heather11483
2008-08-09 04:45 am UTC (link)
LOL @ that Lexicon manifesto.

They lost me at rule #2 - Bella is not a Mary Sue.

*dies*

The smeyer fail clearly extends to some 'true fans', as well.

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[info]luciazephyr
2008-08-09 04:46 am UTC (link)
I love it when "true fan" comes to mean "if you cannot force your mind to think this POS is awesome, YOU CAN'T BE A FAN." "But it's bad." "PRETEND IT'S GOOD."

Ah, the power of self-delusion.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-08-09 04:53 am UTC (link)
Wow, Cleo's getting around. ;) She's linked by Ann Bruce on Dear Author. But on the plus side, I kind of hope I get thee bizarre fans if I ever finish and publish anything. Because they'd be fun to mock privately.

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[info]deludedvision
2008-08-09 04:55 am UTC (link)
The Lexicon's manifesto has definite issues, the obvious being its controlling what people do/don't say, but one of my biggest gripes with it is one particular inaccurate statement:

C.S. Lewis and Tolkein’s Catholic values are evident in their work.

Please note, dear Lexicon Mods, that C.S. Lewis was not Catholic. In fact, he had his issues with the Catholic Church.

Christian ≠ Catholic.

Yes, it's a minor detail, but detailed-oriented people like myself will enjoy any reason to laugh in your face.

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Also.
[info]deludedvision
2008-08-09 04:57 am UTC (link)
I freaking love this fandom. Just when you think you've worked out which ship/group leans more toward the Harmonian persuasion, another one says something like this:

Stephenie did not always intend for a Bella/Jacob ending only to change her mind at the end.

And you just have to appreciate that the crazy runs deep into the roots of the fandom. None of the branches escape it.

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[info]nonners
2008-08-09 04:58 am UTC (link)
Oh, this is fabulous. It's just getting better and better.

I kind of hope this goes on forever.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-08-09 05:01 am UTC (link)
Out of curiosity, are Twilight fans like those romance author cabal that manipulated reviews and five star reviews? They've got that rabid edge to them.

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[info]xylophone
2008-08-09 05:06 am UTC (link)
It just got so built up. There is no book in the world that could stand up to that.
I sort of feel bad for her, this is a good point. But then, when said book includes a teenage marriage and deathbaby pregnancy, complete with vampire-bite delivery, I think my sympathy is gone.
The name has been real to me for so long now that I've forgotten how unusual it would sound to everyone else.
I don't understand how you could ever forget the weirdness of "Renesmee". how do you even SAY it?

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[info]spring90
2008-08-09 05:18 am UTC (link)
I got spoiled when the Epilogue leaked, and decided not to read the last book (yet.) so all this just makes me laugh.

Oh Twilight fandom, why so crazy?

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[info]phasmas
2008-08-09 05:22 am UTC (link)
And other readers are giving Meyer grief about the fact that Bella does get a "happily ever after" without having to make any major sacrifices.

"I think she worked for it pretty hard," Meyer countered. "It doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you make a decision about what you want and you pay for it and you suffer for it and it doesn't work out. Those types of stories always leave me horribly depressed. I'm not going to live in a world for a year at a time where that's going to be the ending. If people wanted a really depressing, tragic ending, I gave them a lot of hints that it wasn't going to be that way. They really shouldn't have been surprised!"


So apparently there's no middle ground between horribly depressing and fairy-tale happily ever after. And here I was thinking you could blend the two. How silly of me!

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[info]ilya
2008-08-09 05:38 am UTC (link)
I found this discussion on LJ really interesting.

It's about a certain interview that used to be up at Twilight Lexicon, which isn't now, that goes like this:

Can vampires have babies? What happens when a woman is pregnant and gets changed?

No. In the Twilight universe, a vampire's only bodily fluid is its venom; this replaces the saliva and other fluids. Thus, vampires have no sperm, so they cannot make vampire babies. When a human is changed into a vampire, they are essentially "frozen" and thus will stay same way forever. If a pregnant woman is changed, she will remain pregnant forever, no matter what stage her pregnancy was in, two days or eight months, and the baby will never be born...

I don't know if this 'thus vampire have no sperm' line in particular has been brought up before, I know the frozen women vampire quite has been. VERY suspicious Smeyer. The Lexicon has close ties with Smeyer, and of course they'd be willing to cover up any major mistakes that she may have made with continuity.


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[info]jkefka
2008-08-09 05:48 am UTC (link)
It's the wank that keeps on giving! Has anyone checked in on Twilight Moms lately? There was some prize wank there last time (notably the mods basically editing any negative posts out of existence) but I can't bring myself to go lurk there again. I'm still recovering from last time.

there's only so much stupid a man can take

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[info]ahiru
2008-08-09 05:50 am UTC (link)
And I'm hoping that after they have a chance to think about the ending I wrote, it'll grow on them.

To sum up that paragraph: you're interpreting it from the wrong perspective!

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[info]lakme
2008-08-09 05:55 am UTC (link)
Oh, I was feeling sad and lonely tonight, but then I was greeted with more Twilight. Danke, Sparkledammerung!

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[info]miera_c
2008-08-09 06:07 am UTC (link)
Stephenie Meyer’s writing nor the writing of any other professionally published author mentioned in passing on this site is to be compared to bad fanfiction, ever.

Wow.

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[info]abharding
2008-08-09 06:17 am UTC (link)
Well vip4321 does have a point in that these are her books and therefore she can do whatever she wants with them. However, that doesn't mean that the readers should not speak up about the the problems they have with the story.

What I really have a problem with is the idea of "if you have a problem don't say anything..." or the idea that if you look at something critically you can't be a true fan. Then again, I have never been one of those fan who bow at the chuch of {insert fandom creator here}.

OK, I will admit I don't get the sort that can find NOTHING good to say going to fan website to say "Your book/tv show/movie sucks" saying that something disappointed you? Not the same thing.

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[info]cleolinda
2008-08-09 06:40 am UTC (link)
Apparently the Lexicon boards were hacked?

http://www.twilightlexicon.com/yes_our_boards_were_hacked.htm

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[info]reddiej
2008-08-09 06:47 am UTC (link)
Okay, I've seen her bullshit responses about vampires not getting pregnant or whatever, but something's been nagging me about it, to be honest.

So she says that Ed's sperm was stuck in his balls for 90 years or whatever, right? But that sperm belonged to Ed the human, not Ed the vampire, meaning, it's not like it turned into vampire sperm, did it?

What I'm asking here is, how the fuck is Nessie biologically half a vampire when half her genetic makeup is supposedly from Ed's 90-year stored human sperm? Was the sperm mutated from human sperm to super-vampire sperm or something (because it turned into venom or something after he became a vampire)????

That bothered me so much because it made NO FUCKING SENSE.

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[info]magicpants
2008-08-09 06:50 am UTC (link)
...there's a Twilight Lexicon?

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[info]reddiej
2008-08-09 06:58 am UTC (link)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/148993/page/1

Edward is so perfect—you've ruined regular men for a lot of teens. Do you feel bad?
Oh, a little bit, I guess. I just wanted to write for myself, a fantasy. And that's what Edward is. But it could be a good thing, too. There's nothing wrong with having high expectations, right?


Oh. I see.

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[info]fallingmallorn
2008-08-09 07:19 am UTC (link)
I love how the Twilight 'Manifesto' is basically BOW BEFORE MEYER OR GTFO, H8ERS!1!!one!!1!!1!!

Oh Twilight-crazies. You always make my fellow HP Fen look positively sane by comparison. XD

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