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Damien Raptore ([info]damien) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-08-17 22:24:00


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Entry tags:conspiracy theories, doesn't mean what you think it means, entitlement, fan theories, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, fanfic, homophobia, i know it because of my learnings, i'm just here for the recipes, ianto is crying, icky girls, in the closet, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, mary sues don't work that way, my pretension let me show you it, oh wait you fail, omg mock people mock, onoez bjr'd again, sexism, slash, slash is the specialest snowflake, stop sharing your thoughts, wankers who will not shut up, writers are often pompous douches

Fanfic & Slash: You're Doing It Wrong!
Spinning Spinsters decides to write an essay about how fan culture is highly conservative, and bolsters and propagates male supremacist ideas.

People in the comments seem to agree with her and thank her for having opened their eyes to how they're really just serving The Man by writing about guys getting on it.

But wait! Is such blanket approval natural? Not in the least.

As soon as she starts getting disagreements that are pro-slash, she deletes them on the grounds that such defenses can be found anywhere. She also refuses to link to any examples because it'd be unhelpful/too much work, and characterizes most femmeslash stories as being like lesbian pornography.

For bonus points, she apparently also has the power to edit comments if they talk about women in unacceptable ways. Though it's okay to say that on House, 'the women on that show are so lousy, either shrews or sex objects or both', so I'm curious as to what she doesn't find acceptable.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to serve The Man.




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[info]waltraute
2008-08-18 05:30 am UTC (link)
Isn't this old/hasn't this been posted before? It seems familiar, if still batshit.

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[info]phosfate
2008-08-18 05:31 am UTC (link)
IT'S A COOKBOOK!

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I have a recipe... - [info]kelmendi, 2008-08-18 06:22 am UTC
Re: I have a recipe... - [info]_goblin_, 2008-08-18 09:05 pm UTC
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[info]tehluggage
2008-08-18 05:35 am UTC (link)
Obviously she doesn't believe in bisexuals either. ...And fandom is conservative? Now I am very, very curious as to which fandoms she's actually been in over the years.

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[info]skeleton_key
2008-08-18 05:41 am UTC (link)
But but but I LIKE LESBIAN PORN. You know, the GOOD kind.

Srs: She's an idiot! :D I write and read slash because it's hot. I write and read femmeslash because it's hot. Occasionally I read het because it's hot. Can't I have all of these?

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[info]brennalarose
2008-08-18 05:45 am UTC (link)
The best part about this wank report? I discover this the same night as Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl".

Can we staple this woman's hands to her ass until she learns to be less of a bitch about her opinions?

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[info]mistal
2008-08-18 05:52 am UTC (link)
...and sometimes claiming to be ‘for gay rights’ (whatever that means) ...

Quick! I need an "Dictionary of the Crazy Language" to know what "gay rights" could possibly mean other than, well, gay rights.

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[info]purple_sammich
2008-08-18 05:56 am UTC (link)
But serving The Man gets me through the day! D:

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[info]risha
2008-08-18 06:05 am UTC (link)
Sorry, my brain screeched to a halt at "fan culture is highly conservative" and failed to absorb the rest of the report.

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[info]blue_penguin
2008-08-18 06:24 am UTC (link)
Furthermore, the same-sex male relationships portrayed in most slash stories have a use-by date: sooner or later most of the characters ‘turn’ heterosexual and get married [...]

WTF has she been reading? Well, okay, a lot of slashfics do seem to feature the guys getting married... to each other. But I think the average slashfic writer would react with horror rather than approval to the idea of ending a fic by splitting the characters up and having them marry women. They certainly hate it enough when it happens in canon.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2008-08-18 06:31 am UTC (link)
The idea of femmeslash being written exclusively by and for men is one I keep banging into over and over again, and it's annoying.

No, I am not secretly a guy posing as a woman. No, I am not writing - say, Tifa and Aerith or Rinoa and Quistis getting snuggly because I am a Big Giant Deviant Whoreslut who is just doing it to get approval from the boys' club anyway; I'm writing it because I think it's cute. Or hot. Or fun.

If the idea of a woman LIKING her own bits, and the bits of other women, bothers you so very effing much - there is a back button. USE IT. And why did you click on my gorram link knowing full well what my pairing was anyhow?

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[info]knightrider
2008-08-18 06:33 am UTC (link)
I wanted to get into the wank, but that initial post is WAY too much teal deer.

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[info]lady_jafaria
2008-08-18 06:38 am UTC (link)
"Fandom hates female characters" is one of those things I've seen more complaints about than I've seen happen. Seems like there's some loony screeching it every time their own favorite female character is disliked by someone who doesn't show evidence of sexism at all, only of, well, not liking one woman.

Maybe I'm just in the wrong fandoms, but I've seen just as much love for female characters as for male characters, even when the male characters are often slashed. Do I think there are issues of sexism in fandom? Sure. There are issues of sexism everywhere. Do I think this person is talking about them in anything approaching a sane manner? No. I assume people have a legitimate reason for disliking a character before I assume they're only doing it on the basis of the character's naughty bits.

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[info]aaron_agonistes
2008-08-18 06:46 am UTC (link)
I would question how my finding one man hot and two men hotter, and therefore wanting to watch two men going at it is misogynistic, but I'd much rather just go watch two men going at it.

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[info]underwaterowl
2008-08-18 06:47 am UTC (link)
So, wait, by indulging in what I find attractive, I'm promoting male supremacy? So I should go back to suppressing said desires, or indulging in the (obviously feminist friendly) more mainstream pornography industry?

Fabulous.

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(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2008-08-18 07:17 am UTC

[info]inarticulate
2008-08-18 06:47 am UTC (link)
My favorite part is that if you manage to get through all the teal deer and wtf batshittery and scroll through ALL THE LONG COMMENTS, you realize that it basically boils down to "the slashers don't like my fanfiction, therefore they are oppressed by the patriarchy and can't think for themselves. Because if they COULD, they would recognize my genius and love it."

:') Never change, world.

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[info]sopdetly
2008-08-18 06:51 am UTC (link)
Um. Fan culture is conservative. Uh-huh.

Someone just lost all credibility with me...

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[info]witty
2008-08-18 06:51 am UTC (link)
I'd seen more than a few comments about that essay last spring -- probably on Metafandom rather than here, I guess -- and, on the one hand, there are some trees in that thar forest. And on the other hand, way to screw up a couple of worthwhile arguments with a lot of bloviatory nonsense.

On the third hand, let us pause a moment and be grateful she is clear on the fact that slash is a subgenre of, rather than the be-all and end-all, of fanfic. So she's got one up on 99% of news reporters out there.

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[info]rosalita
2008-08-18 07:12 am UTC (link)
Oh, for fuck's sake! Can't we just think that two guys screwing is hot without having to bring feminist theory into it? And was fanfiction ever truly male dominated?

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[info]pandabonzai
2008-08-18 07:28 am UTC (link)
I also find that when women do try to inject females into the story they are called ‘Mary Sues’ and frowned upon. I think this is telling.

Oh yes, that's entirely what the dislike for Mary Sues/Gary Stus is about. Not that the characters are annoying/cliche/make for poor fiction, it's that we're all acting as agents of The Man.

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[info]iamnotyourmuse
2008-08-18 07:33 am UTC (link)
I seem to recall someone on my LJ friendslist mentioning either this or something similar to it a while back, at which point someone made a comment and I used it to make this icon.

So yes. Back to the porn.

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[info]aristaea
2008-08-18 07:43 am UTC (link)
I am way disappointed because I thought "Spinning Spinsters" meant there was gonna be wank about actual spinning, of like, yarn and stuff. Woe.

No hint of lesbianism is ever permitted.

But I thought lesbianism was a convenient plot-device to remove meddling wimmins from a slash OTP! Was I wrong? Are lesbians people, and not fanfiction tropes?

It should also be noted that the women who read and write slash . . . do tend to have some factors in common, like generally being well educated and well off economically, these two factors combining to mean they are often also white, they are almost always heterosexual, and they are generally living in western countries where it is easy to access technology like computers and the internet.

Guess what lady, the whole access-to-computers thing is kind of important in being able to read and write slash ONLINE. You probably won't find a lot of slash fans who are illiterate, poor, and living in slums, because they can't read, write, or get access to a computer.

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[info]jhaelyn
2008-08-18 07:56 am UTC (link)
... Fandom is conservative... Ummm...

The same fandom that managed to raise over $50,000 for gay rights through livelongnmarry auctions? That fandom?

Does this mean I need to give my really pretty coatl plushie somebody made for me back? *is sad*

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[info]duraniedrama
2008-08-18 08:00 am UTC (link)
Fanfic writers pride themselves on their respect for and fidelity to their original source material, and in their writing they rarely, if ever, do anything that questions or contradicts the ideologies underwriting the original texts.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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[info]masterofmidgets
2008-08-18 08:03 am UTC (link)
I...really want to know what she's been reading, that she thinks most slash ends in the characters going off to their respective heterosexual marriages with nary a thought to the hot man-man sex they could be having. Also that the majority of it is graphic, violent porn. I'm certainly able to find more than my fill of fluffy, schmoopy romance where they never do anything more explicit than kiss.

I tried to read the rest of the article and the comments, but then I realized I was wasting time I could be spending reading Batman/Superman porn.

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(no subject) - [info]aristaea, 2008-08-18 09:49 am UTC
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[info]anime_angel_ash
2008-08-18 08:39 am UTC (link)
...they [women] fall in love with the heroes of film and literature, and the ‘geniuses’ who create these texts, and they fool themselves into believing that these men speak universal truths, that they are speaking to everybody and about everybody, women included, when of course they are not, they are only speaking to men in the language of male supremacy that is death and poison to women.

So, according to this lovely specimen of feminism, I cannot possibly understand the concepts of love, jealously, loneliness, denial, sadness, recovery, joy, etc., for I am ze womyns and therefore, these are not things that apply to me.

...Well now. That sounds dangerously close to "things I wouldn't understand".

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