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stupid_fangirl ([info]stupid_fangirl) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-08-30 10:14:00


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Entry tags:anime/manga, community: fanficrants, fandom: naruto, thoughts on yaoi, yaoi

emperosteele's tought on yaoi episode ???? (which # already?)
Over [info]fanficrants; [info]oceanica ranted about sexual orientation in Naruto fandom.
It looked normal until emperorsteele decided to join the rant.

"Could" provides for possibility. If something doesn't exist or is not true, then it's not possible.

Girl likes guy. She is straight UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. UNTIL that point, it's just whistful fantasy that she wants the clam.

Anyway, the OP was saying things like "Likes girls.. possibly bi". I mean really? What does it take to convince some people that someone is straight? In a boy's action story where romance is hardly ever a focus, no less?

Bit late to the party on this one, but I've got one name for you: Dumbledore.


Oh sure, point out the ONE time something like that happened!

I guess that means ALL characters are secretly gay!! My bad!!!


So on and on and on and on and on....

ETA: Fandom is such math.

MOAR ETA: It's dragged to ffrantsrants.

ETA'S MOM: Seem like he is having fun in another wank entry.

DEAREST PAPA OF ETA
: Another butthurt and FFRR.

And no, I'm not going to defend this position ad infinitum for 5 hours straight against heterophobes. The OP asked for opinions, and I'm gicing mine. If anyone has a problem with this view, kindly count to ten and pass up on hitting reply, kthnx. My E-mail inbox is still crying from the last wankfest. Please, think of the inboxes!

My "problem" seems to be that I have an opinion about the nature of the written medium (and to a lesser extent, the nature of sexuality) which rubs people here the wrong way because they assume that having that opinion translates into real-life quasi-homophobia, making me a horrible person, thus giving them an excuse to attack me because it's not politically correct; or rather they feel compelled to disagree in order to defend their beloved slashfics.

ETA'S SIS: He is now temp banned from FFR




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[info]chibikaijuu
2008-08-30 06:38 am UTC (link)
Why do we even respond to him anymore? I mean, it's amusing, but it can't be good for anybody's blood pressure.

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[info]ashacrone
2008-08-30 06:44 am UTC (link)
I don't get why he continues and continues and continues. He can't convince anyone cause he's a douche bag and no one can convince him, cause he's a douche bag. I don't think he ever got the point of fanfiction. Or the fact that there is one hell of a difference between OOC and sexuality.

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[info]tomato_ja_nai
2008-08-30 07:13 am UTC (link)
...Wait, what?

I...

Buh, wha?

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-30 07:23 am UTC (link)
His statistics, they fail!:
http://community.livejournal.com/fanficrants/7262730.html?thread=201649162#t201649162

I laughed, I cried, I dented my hardwood desk...

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[info]wankismyfandom
2008-08-30 07:39 am UTC (link)
Me: "This is fucking disturbing. BJR is on the sane side of a wank."

Husband: "It won't last."

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[info]iczer6
2008-08-30 07:48 am UTC (link)
A part of me wants to show him the chapter cover of 'Naruto' that has a picture of the two male leads wearing pendents with each other's picture.

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[info]esther_a
2008-08-30 08:02 am UTC (link)
So, if people who aren't part of the intended audience for a story aren't allowed to have interpretations of it, why should the girls writing slash give a fuck about this guys opinion anyway?

Also, I wish I could offer [info]taeliarose cookies for this bit of snark:
"BIs ARE NOT ALLOWING IN AND AROUND FICTION.
YOU CANNOT SIMPLY GAY INTO MORDOR."

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[info]fallingmallorn
2008-08-30 08:13 am UTC (link)
Even Vaguely Possible Shipping = SRS FUCKING BIZNS.

And there's even a QC reference! - :D My Day = Made.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-08-30 08:19 am UTC (link)
Dang I was kind of hoping he was going to explain what the point of fanfiction was, but he blew off the question.

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(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-08-30 10:17 am UTC

[info]cephiedvariable
2008-08-30 08:22 am UTC (link)
.... Naruto really isn't the best series to help him argue his case.

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[info]blue_penguin
2008-08-30 08:32 am UTC (link)
Oh, him again. He's such a broken record.

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[info]konitsu
2008-08-30 08:41 am UTC (link)
I keep maintaining the delusion that if the sane people at large just keep repeating sense at him, he has to twig on eventually!

Yeah, I stuck a lot of forks in light sockets as a kid.

Maybe that's why I'm bisexual.

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[info]xero_sky
2008-08-30 08:45 am UTC (link)
The guy is seriously over-invested in the sexual preferences of fictional characters.

I guess that means ALL characters are secretly gay!! My bad!!!

If I'm writing the fanfic? They are if I say they are. Life is so cruel.

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[info]kantayra
2008-08-30 08:46 am UTC (link)
Hey, guys, be serious! After all, Naruto is the straightest manga ever with not even a hint of that mamby-pamby gay stuff, so that real men like emperorsteele can enjoy it.

Oh, wait...

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[info]tarash
2008-08-30 08:47 am UTC (link)
Torchwood would confuse that guy SO MUCH.

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[info]bukowski
2008-08-30 09:49 am UTC (link)
Never, ever become a judge. Please. You cannot make inferences or assumptions based on what isn't seen. At least, not in a legal or logical sense.

Well, no wonder he's confused! He apparently thinks he's discussing law, rather than fanfiction.

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(no subject) - [info]caoilte, 2008-08-30 10:29 pm UTC

[info]vejiicakes
2008-08-30 10:32 am UTC (link)
Dude, if purported heterosexuality doesn't stop my radio show host from airing out his lesbian-based fantasies of allegedly straight IRL [actress A] having sex with allegedly straight [actress B] (RPS at that!) on the air, I don't see why it should stop fanfiction writers from doing it with fictional characters. ..or real people, for that matter.

Fanfiction (indeed any other fanwork) is not a claim towards "truth" as the original creator or the audience might see the characters in question. Or at least I tend not to treat it that way. Much like the base meaning of yaoi (I think), it's ALL IN GOOD FUN. I like to draw Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne rubbing against each other in the rain; that doesn't mean I think they've ever done it in canon, or ever will, it means I wanted to see it happen, so I did it. [/thoughts on yaoi]

Jaysus people, Y SO SRS?? D:

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(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2008-09-01 07:19 am UTC
D8
[info]varethane
2008-08-30 10:32 am UTC (link)
I'm not assuming though. I'm working in absolutes.

A Character in a story has a SET background. A SET personality. A SET Modus Operandi. And they are SET by a PERSON making the fiction. They are the puppets of thier creators will.

They HAVE NO potential to do anything short of that the writer WANTS them to do. They are fictional characters. That is all.


.....But... that's no fun at all! D:

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Re: D8 - [info]athersgeo, 2008-08-30 10:49 am UTC
Re: D8 - (Anonymous), 2008-08-30 10:59 am UTC
Re: D8 - [info]athersgeo, 2008-08-30 11:01 am UTC
Re: D8 - [info]varethane, 2008-08-30 11:17 am UTC
Re: D8 - [info]oceanica, 2008-08-30 06:57 pm UTC
Re: D8 - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-08-30 10:27 pm UTC
Re: D8 - [info]entropicdecay, 2008-09-02 05:03 pm UTC
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Re: D8 - [info]softgraysky, 2008-09-01 06:06 pm UTC
Re: D8 - [info]varethane, 2008-09-02 11:47 pm UTC

[info]vzg
2008-08-30 11:00 am UTC (link)
Oh holy fucking God, I remember trying to reason with that guy way back when I first interacted with him. I tried to be polite when no one else would respond, tried to laugh at his jokes (so long as they weren't related to sexuality), and in the end he was just one more part of what drove me away from that comm.

...I'll clean this up, I swear. I just hate him so much oh man, I've become a bitter old hag, haven't I?

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(no subject) - [info]ashacrone, 2008-08-31 06:50 am UTC

[info]lyrangalia
2008-08-30 11:03 am UTC (link)
Been there. Wanked that.

New wank plz?

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[info]ionlylurkhere
2008-08-30 11:46 am UTC (link)
The math thread makes me LOL. It also makes me want to say "Love is a forty degree angle and it cannot be straightened" but I'm not on FFR.

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(no subject) - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2008-08-30 02:17 pm UTC

[info]obsidianwolf
2008-08-30 12:30 pm UTC (link)
Wow so something I was involved in finally made fandom wank.

I knew this was going to happen I should have just kept to my self imposed rules about never responding to him.

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-30 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Am I late to the party if I point out Zabuza/Haku. Cos that was totally gay.

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(no subject) - [info]staroverthebay, 2008-08-31 03:46 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2008-08-30 04:08 pm UTC (link)
God, as soon as I scrolled past that post and saw more than forty comments, I was like "Oho, I know who showed up," and just kept scrolling, 'cause he never fails to make my head hurt.

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[info]seiberwing
2008-08-30 04:37 pm UTC (link)
This, of course, is the same guy that thinks you can't be gay with your friend, can't be gay with your rival, and can't be with some person you've never met before.

SEXUALITY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

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