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aeka ([info]aeka) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-09-07 20:00:00
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Entry tags:books that should be burned, creator wank, do your research, fan rage, fandom: torchwood, ianto is crying, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, lawyerism, plagiarism

Who's Missing the Torchwood Wank?
Here's a recent addition to Torchwood wankage, brought to you by a kind anonymouse who submitted it to [info]wank_report, only this time with the added bonus of plagiarism on behalf of the unofficial torchwood guide author.

Funtimes as someone publishes an unofficial guide to Torchwood. Containing pages of reviews from fans on livejournal without their permission.
Amazon.com version
UK Amazon.com version

People are less than pleased.

whereas some are quite happy to be featured.

Leave the author alone!

Differing views of copyright laws

People suggesting going to the tabloids to get their own back.

Meme view:

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Oh dear. I'd like to see what'll happen if this bloke makes a fortune on this guidebook and who will be the first LJer to actually initiate a lawsuit. Should be an interesting case to watch on the evening news.


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[info]kadath
2008-09-08 03:38 am UTC (link)
Author sez:
It's a long-established and respected practice for authors of critical works (critical in the sense of analytical) to quote from other sources, and provided proper attribution is given, this is regarded as perfectly acceptable both legally and morally.
AHAHAHAHAHA. Try that one on a university ethics review board! Or better yet, in court! I triple-dog dare you!

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[info]witty
2008-09-08 04:09 am UTC (link)
I particularly liked the "I have too many quotes, permissioning them all would be too burdensome" argument. You know what is burdensome? Explaining to stupid authors how copyright permissioning works.

You know what's even more burdensome? Having to drop a selection from an anthology, although it is perfect and wunnerful, because the publisher/copyright holder is a douche and wants $30,000 to give permission. Which happens all the time, in real publishing.

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(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2008-09-08 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2008-09-08 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]erototoxin, 2008-09-08 07:57 am UTC

[info]erototoxin
2008-09-08 03:39 am UTC (link)
It's like the poor man's Lexicon-gate. <-- best quote ever

Remarkably, the author did a Season One unofficial guide too, using the same technique to gather material. Apparently these things sell really well, because nobody noticed the first one.

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[info]ruuger
2008-09-08 10:48 am UTC (link)
Someone on my f-list mentioned that they own the first guide, and recognized some names there, but assumed that of course the people had been asked for permission.

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[info]caito
2008-09-08 03:42 am UTC (link)
I'd like to see what'll happen if this bloke makes a fortune on this guidebook

Aha. Ahahahahaha.

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[info]beejium
2008-09-08 06:52 am UTC (link)
This was going to be my exact comment. I had the quote all copied and everything. Hee.

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[info]enrythe8th
2008-09-08 08:22 am UTC (link)
What.

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(no subject) - [info]caito, 2008-09-08 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]enrythe8th, 2008-09-08 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]caito, 2008-09-08 08:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2008-09-08 04:47 pm UTC
Silly Author...
[info]tg2008
2008-09-08 03:43 am UTC (link)
Every other fan I've ever quoted in one of my books who's subsequently commented on it or contacted me about it has been delighted to have their work selected and found worthy of inclusion, and to be honest it never occurred to me that anyone might be displeased.

Heheheh, deja vu, 'cept it isn't the HP fandom this time.

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[info]hallidae
2008-09-08 04:11 am UTC (link)
Oh, wow. Someone went to the school of Heidipology and graduated with honors.

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[info]mer1973
2008-09-08 04:31 am UTC (link)
*grabs popcorn*

I love watching pros be stupid, because the fanhound attacks are such fun.

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[info]folledesmots
2008-09-08 04:32 am UTC (link)
The BBC clamped down on Doctor Who knitting patterns, so my guess is this book mysteriously disappears in .5 seconds.

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(no subject) - [info]softgraysky, 2008-09-08 05:03 am UTC
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[info]ari_o
2008-09-08 04:55 am UTC (link)
OMG the photo of him on flickr holding his "book" and getting congratulated by lots of people for getting "published" brings me great joy. Yes, I'm sure it was very hard to self-publish your own book.

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(no subject) - [info]grindelwald, 2008-09-09 03:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2008-09-09 04:54 am UTC

[info]re_weird
2008-09-08 06:04 am UTC (link)
Man, you would think that "copying without permission is bad" would have penetrated skulls by now, what with the countless wanks over it. Of course, that's assuming earth-logic.

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[info]seca
2008-09-08 06:06 am UTC (link)
As a member of the OG forum I've checked out the thread about this and the guy is playing the 'but I worked so hard to find and read these reviews so it's totally ok for me to make money off of them' card.

I so just want to punch him right now.

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(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2008-09-08 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-09-08 10:14 pm UTC

[info]vorpal_blade
2008-09-08 06:59 am UTC (link)
Hm. Given how short the selections are, there's actually a pretty good chance that this would stand up in court as Fair Use, possibly depending on how much material he wrote himself to knit together the stuff he quoted (although a judge may still not care about that and say it's all right because of the attributions). OTOH, even if it's a legit Fair Use thing it's still good form to ask people for permission. If he were quoting from professionally-published online reviews, that would be different; folks doing that have (usually) been paid and if they're in venues like EW or whatever they might expect that short excerpts from what they've written will be quoted elsewhere, with proper attribution, of course. Most people posting things on their LJs don't expect to be quoted in books. Which isn't to say they shouldn't expect that if they post things that are unlocked; they just don't, usually.

That's why it would have been good for him to talk to those people first, so they wouldn't be blindsided by this. I've never heard of anyone successfully suing for being quoted in small amounts, though, without their permission, as long as the author isn't claiming to have written the passage and is properly crediting the person who did. That's how a lot of stuff is written, in and out of academia. It's all about the art of the footnote and bibliography; it's why we have a term like Fair Use in the first place, to allow this sort of thing. Chances are, everything he did is perfectly legal. It still would have been polite for him to ask first, but that's a nettiquette thing, not a legal issue.

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(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2008-09-08 07:12 am UTC
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[info]drakyndra
2008-09-08 07:27 am UTC (link)
He didn't even ask?

I mean, if it was a sentence or two maybe, but any more than that...

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(no subject) - [info]elfwreck, 2008-09-09 05:24 am UTC

[info]southbitch
2008-09-08 07:35 am UTC (link)
He had time to read all those fan reviews to chose the ones that he thought were good enough, but he couldn't spend under a minute on each LJ to leave a comment? He tries to make it sound like the copying&pasting is exhausting and he should be rewarded for it.

The guy really came out as a total jerk with his replies, and the people defending him don't look much better.

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[info]tangentialone
2008-09-08 08:45 am UTC (link)
Also a post on fandom_lawyers, though not really wanky.

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[info]kennedy_unknown
2008-09-08 09:47 am UTC (link)
My favourite part is on his Flickr photo where he admits he photoshopped his own chin over John Barrowman's. What, The Barrowman's isn't good enough?

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(no subject) - [info]derryderrydown, 2008-09-08 11:02 am UTC

[info]faeryfroggy
2008-09-08 10:22 am UTC (link)
WOW! For once wank that shows up on my flist! Yeah, I knew this was going to end up here. I was tempted to get involved in the Copyright discussion, but then I had to click away from the page because the idiocy was giving me a migraine.

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[info]such_heights
2008-09-08 05:21 pm UTC (link)
D: Dude, I think I own the first guide this guy published. I don't remember this sort of nonsense in that one, I shall have to investigate. Um, oops, fandom solidarity fail?

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Flouncy AND internet lawyering
[info]esther_a
2008-09-09 01:44 am UTC (link)
There's an entry with some highlights here.
"I... obviously breached "net etiquette" on LiveJournal. [That]certainly doesn't in any way justify some of the name-calling and vilification I saw being aimed in my direction on LiveJournal earlier today, until I couldn't put up with reading any more of it."

"The way I feel at the moment, I really don't feel inclined to quote from fan sources again in future books, and am in two minds whether I want to write about "Torchwood" again at all, but maybe I'll feel differently when I've slept on it and reflected further."

Charming.

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Re: Flouncy AND internet lawyering - [info]mrbimble, 2008-09-09 08:35 am UTC
Re: Flouncy AND internet lawyering - [info]kelmendi, 2008-09-09 04:58 pm UTC

[info]lizbee
2008-09-09 08:29 am UTC (link)
I just read the DWF thread: my yearly dose of male privilege. Those silly women of LiveJournal should be grateful their work was reused without permission, dammit! Why must they have such silly, arcane standards of behaviour? Now they're being angry and mean and it's not nice.

Seriously, the inherent gender politics is fascinating. The divide between boy-fandom and girl-fandom in DW has always been stark, but this just opened it wide up.

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(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2008-09-09 08:36 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]southbitch, 2008-09-10 04:22 am UTC

[info]kumquat_of_doom
2008-09-09 01:45 pm UTC (link)
...Jeezy Creezy. Diaf, mate, srsly.

Unfortunately, though, I don't care all that much... because I got cuddles from Captain Jack yesterday. I am unrepentant for my glee about this.

:D

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(no subject) - [info]purple_shoes, 2008-09-15 08:39 pm UTC

[info]purple_shoes
2008-09-15 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Awwwe Torchwood wank! How I have missed thee!

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