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Reeve Kasahara ([info]reeve) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-09-19 20:50:00


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Entry tags:oh the irony, videogames

Faking Fakers That Fake
The latest episode of Cheap Ass Gamer's CAGcast podcast featured a segment where host Cheapy D railed about all the rumors originating on video game forums that make their way to gaming blogs as legitimate news (this starts around the 50:48 mark if you want to listen for yourself - thanks to [info]cloudandtidus on LJ for the info). He complains that since online game journalists are paid by the post and typically have a quota, they have an incentive to post rumors, no matter how dubious the source. Then co-host Wombat makes the following proposal (transcribed as best I could):

Wombat: This is what I think, I think our listeners need to do. I think they need to post things in our forums (...) that, that are complete bullshit, and see if it gets picked up by the blogs (...) And if someone gets picked up, I think you should send them a free game.
(some chuckling)
Wombat: A free game of their choice.
Cheapy: Yeah, I will do that. Well, okay (...) I'm not gonna encourage that, but Wombat will.
Wombat: (...) That's fine, I'll arrange the contest, you'll pay for the prize. So what you need to do is you need to go into the game forums on Cheap Ass Gamer, and post something that is completely made up. Now if one of the three major blogs - we'll say Joystiq, Kotaku, and Destructoid - if they post it as legitimate news, then - Cheapy (...) if you make two, we wanna say two of the three?
Cheapy: Any.
Wombat: Any one of the three, you will get a free game of your choosing from Cheapy D, of a $60 value or lower.
Cheapy: Or if you get it to hit on Digg. Actually, no, I'm against this contest, so you have to say that, Wombat.
Wombat: Or get it to hit a lot on Digg.


So, with the contest in place, CAGcast's listeners start posting all manner of fake rumors. One such rumor is desz's "XBOX's New Name?". It's notable that even the earliest few comments on the post strongly hint at its fakeness, but, as if proving Wombat's point, several well-known gaming/tech blogs do pick it up. Among them are Xbox 360 Fanboy (correction since appended) and Gizmodo (correction since appended), but some of the biggest butthurt came from Kotaku.

Some of Kotaku's readers picked up on the "bullshit contest" entry right away, and the post was ETA'd as follows:

UPDATE: It appears that this rumor story could be CAG throwing their credibility out the window as part of a contest. Kotaku''s decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it. In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case.

Meanwhile, the original poster of the piece, Brian Crecente, further defends his initial decision to report on the "rumor":

@Ryguy226: It appears, I dont listen to their podcast so I dont know for sure, that they offered a game to the first person to come up with a fake story that a blog picks up.

Quite a few sites picked it up, including us, fanboy, Gizmodo, engadget, but to my knowledge we all pointed out that it was a rumor and left it to our readers to decide on the source's credibility.


JP05 points something out:

"In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case."

Those are some harsh words, aren't you guys buddies? You gotta admit, the way the internet eats up everything, this is pretty funny. Can't wait to hear the response on their next podcast.

@Brian Crecente: It's blogged by normal users, that would be equivalent to letting everyone on Kotaku blog and to take what they say seriously. If it wasn't posted by Cheapy, Shipwreck, or Wombat, why would you even bother looking into it?


To which Crecente responds:

@JP05: It's not funny at all. Cheapy and his crew asked his readers to promote a lie on the site. How do I know they wont do it again. I don't have the time, or the inclination to listen to all of their podcasts to make sure that the stories that run on the site are valid.

This is called poisoning the well.


He later makes an attempt to compare blogging to to newspaper reporting:

@geminibros: So would it be credible for a newspaper to run a fake story and then point and laugh at all of the other newspapers that picked it up because they trusted them?

Here's another exchange:

spiderweb1986: If you'd taken thirty seconds to look at the user's posting history, he's made a whopping FOURTEEN POSTS on the site...and they're all in the podcast discussion, off-topic, or trading forums, or contest threads. Shouldn't that have made it clear that he's not one of the people who breaks news on the site?

Brian Crecente: @spiderweb1986: So a first time poster has no credibility?

spiderweb1986: @Brian Crecente: If I were running a site like Kotaku...no, they wouldn't. Given that it takes a minute or two to create an account, it'd be much too easy to create an expendable account and post something that MIGHT be credible to watch this happen all over again.

They may have credibility, but I'd wait for them to prove themselves until I post an entry about it on the front page of my site. Otherwise...well, if Kotaku policy is to start posting rumors from random new accounts on video game message boards, you're going to be running a hell of a lot more rumors.


Meanwhile, over at CAG, many lulz are had and at least one person is pissed.

ETA: Cheapy D speaks about the whole kerfluffle.




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scifantasy
2008-09-20 04:38 am UTC (link)
Blogging shouldn't be compared to newspaper reporting. They're fundamentally different; one lacks standards, and the other simply isn't living up to them anymore.

*smirk*

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(no subject) - [info]els_chan, 2008-09-20 06:49 pm UTC
A question - [info]notbulgarian, 2008-09-22 02:12 am UTC

[info]kadath
2008-09-20 04:50 am UTC (link)
But u guise, three minutes of reading is too much work!

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[info]keleri
2008-09-20 04:51 am UTC (link)
My face is this totally lascivious schadenfreude-y expression of pure GLEE right now.

PWNED.

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[info]rennyn_alerothi
2008-09-20 05:01 am UTC (link)
This may make me seem juvenile, but I'm still giggling at the "shaq-fu" banners over all of the f-words.

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[info]dawnswalker
2008-09-20 05:18 am UTC (link)
I foresee a lot of gamers getting a lot of free games in the next couple of weeks.

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[info]napalmnacey
2008-09-20 05:27 am UTC (link)
Aw MAN, this shit is GOLD! *chortle-snort*

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[info]criticalcricket
2008-09-20 05:30 am UTC (link)
I love the "Oh noes! We are betrayed!" stance they took. Sure, it's totally their fault that your bloggers didn't do research and perpetuated some silly rumors. Suuuuuure.

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[info]trisandrockets
2008-09-20 05:41 am UTC (link)
I <3 this so.

(It does remind me of an actual situation where this happened, but in football- the Rodrigo Palacio rumor. A blog claiming to have something to do with Boca Juniors, where Palacio plays, posted that Arsenal was about to sign him for a large amount of money. It then got picked up by Arsenal blogs, and then made it to sort of real newspapers (as well as very real sources like the BBC which I can't find a link to), before the whole thing was revealed to be a hoax by some of those same Arsenal bloggers.)

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(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2008-09-20 06:10 am UTC
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[info]lovecoconuts
2008-09-20 06:00 am UTC (link)
This is beautiful.

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[info]sol
2008-09-20 06:04 am UTC (link)
I really think the most appropriate response is this:

lol kotaku

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[info]aliaras
2008-09-20 06:34 am UTC (link)
No, no, they're exactly like mainstream news reporting!

Step 1: Find something interesting and controversial
Step 2: Research make shit up
Step 3: Print
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit Wank!

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-09-20 07:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luciazephyr, 2008-09-20 10:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wrenlet, 2008-09-20 04:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luciazephyr, 2008-09-20 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-09-20 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aliaras, 2008-09-20 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luciazephyr, 2008-09-21 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aliaras, 2008-09-21 12:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lirazel, 2008-09-22 07:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_mouse, 2008-09-20 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luciazephyr, 2008-09-21 12:15 am UTC

[info]pantsgolem
2008-09-20 06:37 am UTC (link)
Oh man, I love this dude who totally missed the memo.

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(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2008-09-20 02:20 pm UTC

[info]made_by_kali
2008-09-20 06:41 am UTC (link)
I really shouldn't be laughing as hard as I am. Maybe if they weren't in such a rush to get the 'news' first they might have taken a moment or two to check their sources.

Then again, I hate it when blogs just repost things from other sites (just give me the link, I can read the post where it originated, thanks) so I'm biased.

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(no subject) - [info]wildskyrider, 2008-09-20 08:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]made_by_kali, 2008-09-20 08:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]muppetfromhell, 2008-09-20 05:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2008-09-20 08:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2008-09-20 02:42 pm UTC

[info]miraba
2008-09-20 06:43 am UTC (link)
And it goes WHOOSH over his head.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2008-09-20 07:11 am UTC (link)
I do so enjoy when Kotaku looks even more stupid than usual.

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(no subject) - [info]sol, 2008-09-20 10:46 am UTC
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iwanttobeasleep
2008-09-20 08:07 am UTC (link)
Brian Crecente: @spiderweb1986: So a first time poster has no credibility?

I would say "Wow, someone is new to the Internet" but he's been running that rag blog for years. Which makes that all the more delicious.

Also: yay new podcast! I needed something to fill the hole in my heart iPod left by Jeff Green/GFW Radio.

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[info]annepackrat
2008-09-20 08:13 am UTC (link)
Um, since when is CAG a good source on any news but that of video game deals?

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(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2008-09-20 02:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annepackrat, 2008-09-20 02:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2008-09-20 02:57 pm UTC

[info]eldritch
2008-09-20 08:42 am UTC (link)
That is so amazing.

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[info]seca
2008-09-20 09:19 am UTC (link)
If blogging is like news reporting than LJ is like the Daily Sun?

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[info]sudaki
2008-09-20 10:32 am UTC (link)
Translation from Kotakuese:

ACTING RIGHTEOUSLY OFFENDED MAKES ME LOOK MORE SMART THAN ADMITTING I JUST MADE A FOOL OF MYSELF RIGHT


RIGHT???/

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[info]staroverthebay
2008-09-20 10:34 am UTC (link)
Blogging: SERIOUS BUSINESS


*scurries off giggling*

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[info]annabelle_lee
2008-09-20 12:59 pm UTC (link)
Shit, a $60 game? I should listen to the CAGcast more often, damnit. I could have had a free copy of Fallout 3.

Oh wait, this is more about crybaby bloggers who don't do their jobs and verify rumors. Even better!

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[info]dejana
2008-09-20 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Hahahaha, that's awesome. Who takes a glorified forum as a reputable blog? (Or blogs themselves as reputable sources, for that matter.) All desz had to do was tack on the name of a well-known insider as the source. Smart move.

"So a first time poster has no credibility?"

Hahahaha, I have some conspiracy theories for you to read...

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[info]marshall_law
2008-09-20 02:40 pm UTC (link)
This is filling me with so much glee.

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ICON. - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2008-09-20 05:33 pm UTC
Re: ICON. - [info]marshall_law, 2008-09-20 06:29 pm UTC
Re: ICON. - [info]marshall_law, 2008-09-20 06:35 pm UTC

[info]meagenimage
2008-09-20 02:49 pm UTC (link)
This calls for some shadenfreude pie!

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(no subject) - [info]shinysandals, 2008-09-20 09:11 pm UTC
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