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sheep ([info]sheep) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2008-10-01 01:58:00


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Entry tags:fandom: avatar the last airbender

Oh, Mai! More Avatar wank!
[info]akapiratequeen makes a post to [info]avatar_fans regarding her dislike of Zuko/Mai.

Mai. I just don't understand her appeal to Zuko. They are shown dating, even kissing, back when she is a bored, spoiled bee-otch with no redeeming characteristics whatsoever (she's not even drawn cute!). Sure, she has one great moment at the prison, but up until then she's killed and maimed loads of people and -- unlike Ty Lee -- never even seems to question it or show remorse. She says she was scared of Azula, but (also unlike Ty Lee) that fear is never shown -- she's just happy to see her when she shows up at the beginning because "nothing's happening around here." So someone please explain to me -- how does she end up with Zuko?

Answers start off fairly mildly, some saying they don't like Mai, others saying cute is subjective or 'you may not like her but Zuko does'.

Enter [info]misora, a fairly well know Zutura shipper, with a couple of comm recs where the OP may find some like minded fans.-

I see this here and I share your pain. Commmme to our ship!! It's dark and intriguing! We have cookies.

[info]katara_zuko
[info]capslock_zutara



[info]aerodactylus does not appreciate the suggestion-

oh, please don't do that...shipping enticement is not nice.


From that point on, the thread crashes and burns, with accusations of pressuring fans into shipping, people not sharing cookies and denial that the cookies are desired!



In another thread some one suggests that they would have liked to have seen some bonding between Mai and Zuko, to which [info]pikabot replies-

I don't think Zuko's really the type to tell her about his Iroh problems. He's always struck me as a MUST CARRY MY BURDENS ALL ALONE sort of idiot.


[info]misora counters with -

...Funny, we see him telling them (albeit a condensed version) to Katara in the finale eps. ^^

After this comment the thread continues with caplsock of doom, confessions of ship hate and being sick of zutarians, accusations of ship discrimination and self-righteousness and telling people to fuck off and butt out.


A bonus side of someone taking offence at Azula being referred to as mentally ill. Not wanky per se but... idk, I just get the feeling if anyone had replied that Azula is crazy the commenter would go, well, crazy.

Azula's not mentally ill, kthx. She's emotionally damaged, thanks to her mother, brother, and two (ex)besties. The way she acts is a result of her mommy issues, her fear of abandonment (thx to her mother), and her father's encouraging her to take advantage of the fact that she's a kick-ass Firebender and his making sure that she's loyal to boot.

Azula's heart has been damaged. When people who have been emotionally damaged they often react in violent ways - treating people like crap and controlling people through fear are two of them.

Not crazy.

Don't call her crazy.




In another thread [info]genereaver wants 'you people' to take off your goggles and to win hir respect.

[info]misora doesn't care if [info]genereaver respects her or not.

[info]genereaver also thinks s/he is being called fat when [info]et_noika comments with a reference from Avatar-

Yeah... that might come back to bite you in the blubber Deaf.
...
What blubber? 6'8" and only 200 pounds, I doubt I've got anything that qualifies as 'blubber'. But disregarding that; Of course it will. I really don't care. It was something I felt needed to be said, and I'm perfectly ready to back it up.



On page two people get into it again. There are accusations of being ass, zutarians being like those who followed the H/Hr siblings theory, and people interrogating comments from the wrong perspective.



All in all, a nice little wank.

ETR mentions of someone who may or may not be underage D:




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[info]eldritch
2008-10-01 04:16 am UTC (link)
Shipping enticement makes it sound like they're luring her into an unmarked white van with sweets-- wait. Actually...

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(no subject) - [info]icefalcon, 2008-10-01 01:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 03:28 pm UTC

[info]rose_tyler
2008-10-01 04:54 am UTC (link)
Honestly I see a load of wank from both sides.

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 11:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nonnyeve, 2008-10-02 01:58 am UTC

[info]qwertyuiop
2008-10-01 05:14 am UTC (link)
*facepalm*

I am amused that most of the sane comments in that thread are never responded to, although I really think for once pikabots response that was all that was needed on part of Mai and Mai/Zuko fans, the rest of it was just two sides yelling at each other for something that neither of them would change their minds about.

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(no subject) - [info]qwertyuiop, 2008-10-01 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 11:50 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2008-10-01 05:16 am UTC (link)
You alluded to it. Yes, you did.

Christ, and she accuses Zutarans for reading into what isn't there.

Also--and I don't know if you have, personally, considered this, but--isn't it an insult to Katara, her waterbending, and her Water Tribe pride to ship her with Zuko and make her ~Fire Lady Katara?~ Ugh this ship is so shallow.

.... No? Why the hell would that be insulting, since Zuko is now actively reforming the Fire Nation? And if it is, isn't it insulting for Katara to be, say, Air Bending High Priestess or whatever? Seriously, WTF?

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2008-10-01 05:47 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rose_tyler, 2008-10-01 07:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ravenbell, 2008-10-01 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rose_tyler, 2008-10-01 08:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ravenbell, 2008-10-01 09:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-01 06:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-10-01 08:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sailorcoruscant, 2008-10-01 08:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2008-10-01 09:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-10-01 02:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-02 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gabzillaz, 2008-10-01 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2008-10-02 05:52 pm UTC

[info]hallidae
2008-10-01 05:20 am UTC (link)
::headdesk:: ... ::headdeskheaddeskheaddesk::

With every new screaming fest over shipping, I understand a little more why nobody on my AIM list wants to be active in this fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]qwertyuiop, 2008-10-01 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 11:55 am UTC

[info]rekall
2008-10-01 05:29 am UTC (link)
I kind of love the fact that my favourite Avatar character brings so much hate to people. Because between the haters and the ones who feel the need to defend her it brings hours of endless amusement.

It's just another reason to love her.

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(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 05:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harrylovesron, 2008-10-01 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-10-01 09:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 09:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-10-01 09:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 04:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yoritomo_reiko, 2008-10-01 06:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 06:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ueuecoyotl, 2008-10-01 11:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 11:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pikabot, 2008-10-01 09:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-10-01 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nonnyeve, 2008-10-02 05:31 am UTC

[info]rawles
2008-10-01 05:30 am UTC (link)
I just keep hoping they'll get tired of aimlessly yelling about the same thing and learn how to fucking enjoy themselves without bitching constantly, but it seems it is not meant to be.

All Avatar fandom knows is entitlement.

Well, [info]silly_izzy_me is only like 13 so perhaps she'll grow out of it.

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(no subject) - [info]qwertyuiop, 2008-10-01 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 05:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skeleton_key, 2008-10-01 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skeleton_key, 2008-10-01 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]qwertyuiop, 2008-10-01 06:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skeleton_key, 2008-10-01 06:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]qwertyuiop, 2008-10-01 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-10-01 06:12 am UTC
(no subject) - gentle_benj, 2008-10-01 10:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2008-10-02 06:10 pm UTC

[info]kadath
2008-10-01 05:32 am UTC (link)
Help a wanka out here...is "shipping" somehow different than "liking fic featuring a particular pairing?" I've never actually been clear on why people get locked in mortal internets combat about who's sexing whom when presumably there are writers producing all kinds of pairings and no one's forcing someone to read a story they don't like, clockwork-orange style.

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(no subject) - [info]demonbean, 2008-10-01 05:51 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2008-10-01 07:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2008-10-01 07:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2008-10-01 04:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-10-01 08:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 12:09 pm UTC

[info]plazmah
2008-10-01 05:34 am UTC (link)
Both sides make me want to bash my head against a wall. I'm so glad I stayed out of this fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 04:15 pm UTC

[info]ara
2008-10-01 05:56 am UTC (link)
That crazy (yes you are) Azula fangirl there...wow, just wow. Last time you post INDEED...

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-10-01 06:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elektra3, 2008-10-01 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2008-10-01 07:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lovecoconuts, 2008-10-01 07:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-10-01 01:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-02 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2008-10-01 01:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2008-10-01 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rose_tyler, 2008-10-01 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]akatsuki_ame, 2008-10-01 08:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pikabot, 2008-10-01 08:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-02 05:43 am UTC
*incredibly late here* - [info]pikabot, 2008-12-13 06:51 am UTC
Re: *incredibly late here* - [info]aerobot, 2008-12-16 01:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thesaneminority, 2008-10-04 06:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-10-01 08:53 am UTC

[info]lovecoconuts
2008-10-01 06:14 am UTC (link)
(sighs and waves "I like Maiko flag")

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[info]harrylovesron
2008-10-01 06:24 am UTC (link)
*ignores the fail and basks in Mai's awesomeness*

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(no subject) - [info]nonnyeve, 2008-10-02 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]makeshyft, 2008-10-02 09:44 pm UTC

[info]kittikattie
2008-10-01 06:30 am UTC (link)
Dude, I just like Katara and Toph. Not even shipped. Just as characters.

*just finished the whole series about a month ago*

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-10-01 07:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 04:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nursewretched, 2008-10-01 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]toxictattoo, 2008-10-02 04:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llorelei, 2008-10-01 07:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-10-01 08:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 12:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]re_weird, 2008-10-01 07:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llorelei, 2008-10-01 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittikattie, 2008-10-02 10:01 am UTC
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[info]seca
2008-10-01 06:50 am UTC (link)
I swear if there's anything that I've learned from the Avatar fandom is that nothing brings the wank to the yard than trying to pair Zuko off with anyone. It's no wonder the boy is so emo.

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(no subject) - [info]elektra3, 2008-10-01 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-10-01 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gabzillaz, 2008-10-01 08:19 pm UTC

[info]mcity
2008-10-01 07:25 am UTC (link)
Show of hands; who else thought that we were more or less done with this sort of thing?

Not crazy.

Don't call her crazy.
I just imagine them sitting in a corner in a dramatically lit room, a mobile playing discordantly in the foreground, going "-ot crazy. She's not crazy. Don't call her crazy. Not crazy. She's not cr-"

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-10-02 01:44 am UTC

[info]staroverthebay
2008-10-01 07:42 am UTC (link)
Goddamn, I think I'm going to have to check this show out. This is starting to amuse me, watching all the flail and wank, even after the story is over.

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(no subject) - [info]ambar, 2008-10-01 08:01 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]staroverthebay, 2008-10-04 09:37 am UTC

[info]pikabot
2008-10-01 08:40 am UTC (link)
Jesus Christ, what the hell happened to that post after I stopped paying attention to it.

Also, who the hell was saying that Azula wasn't mentally ill? I've never heard of a definition of mentally ill that wouldn't encompass hallucinating your dead/missing mom in the mirror.

I will admit I found the pimping of the Zuko/Katara comm kind of obnoxious, as the OP never said a word about liking that pairing, and the associated and automatic assumption of hatred for Mai/Zuko (and Mai in general) is one of the many things I find distasteful about the pairing's fanbase, but you know. Not nearly enough to both commenting on it.

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(no subject) - [info]llorelei, 2008-10-01 10:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 12:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pikabot, 2008-10-01 04:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 05:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pikabot, 2008-10-01 05:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tarash, 2008-10-01 01:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-10-01 03:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]atreyu, 2008-10-01 06:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2008-10-01 05:38 pm UTC

[info]billymasqets
2008-10-01 09:28 am UTC (link)
Azula's heart has been damaged. When people who have been emotionally damaged they often react in violent ways - treating people like crap and controlling people through fear are two of them.

And when that control fails and someone goes against them, they suddenly don't feel they can control and therefore trust anyone, sending them spiraling into paranoia followed by complete bug-fuck craziness. At the finale, Azula was crazier than a Lost fan in September. And I say that as someone who thought she was the best character in the series, and who wouldn't mind some kind of follow-up with Azula recovering due to her mother's return, Zuko's eventual forgiveness and Ty Lee's true love (oh, you know it's true).

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 12:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-10-01 03:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kosaginolegion, 2008-10-01 03:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]danel4d, 2008-10-01 05:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 06:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-02 05:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-02 12:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-02 02:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-02 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-03 06:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-03 12:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2008-10-05 11:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2008-10-02 06:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2008-10-03 04:08 am UTC

[info]galindafied
2008-10-01 10:43 am UTC (link)
Wondered how long it would take for this to show up here. Misora and
Her (not nec. Zutara shipping) crowd are all cut from the same wanky cloth.

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[info]ouroboros
2008-10-01 12:36 pm UTC (link)
You know I just don't get it. Why is canon so important? I mean I once wrote a smutty fic with Susan Ivanova, Princess Leia and Wonder Woman (which I never put on the internet thank god). That's what fanfic is there for right? Or have I been doing it wrong?

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2008-10-01 12:54 pm UTC
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(no subject) - janegray, 2008-10-01 03:54 pm UTC
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[info]staroverthebay
2008-10-01 02:27 pm UTC (link)
I'm very... uptight at the moment about this whole situation, so all of my comments are coming off as very hostile.

Translation: "IT'S NOT MY FAULT! I'M STRESSED CUZ YOU'RE ALL BEING ASSHOLES, SO IT'S TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT I SOUND LIKE AN ENTITLE BITCH!"

Suck it up and deal, sweetie.

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[info]demonoflight
2008-10-01 02:30 pm UTC (link)
*bashes head against a wall in despair* I hate this fandom, I hate this fandom, I hate this fandom, why does a cool show have such a stupid fandom, I hate this fandom...

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(no subject) - [info]lovecoconuts, 2008-10-01 02:55 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 04:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2008-10-01 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2008-10-01 10:28 pm UTC
GIP - [info]tomato_ja_nai, 2008-10-02 03:28 am UTC
Re: GIP - [info]plazmah, 2008-10-02 05:07 am UTC
Re: GIP - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2008-10-04 09:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pikabot, 2008-10-01 05:04 pm UTC
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[info]snarky_bix
2008-10-01 03:48 pm UTC (link)
back when she is a bored, spoiled bee-otch with no redeeming characteristics whatsoever (she's not even drawn cute!).

Yes. Because being drawn cute is the ultimate qualifier.

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(no subject) - janegray, 2008-10-01 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lirazel, 2008-10-01 04:36 pm UTC

janegray
2008-10-01 04:05 pm UTC (link)
with no redeeming characteristics whatsoever (she's not even drawn cute!)

...Because a female character's worth is totally linked to her beauty.

I wish I hadn't heard this same "argument" so many times already. From female fans, no less!


Anyway, I never cared in the slightest about Maiko and Zutara and Kataang. I always found Xin Fu/Master Yu far more interesting and hot. I wonder what they got up to after Season 2...

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(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2008-10-01 05:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2008-10-01 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-10-01 06:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2008-10-01 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - janegray, 2008-10-01 09:15 pm UTC

[info]spawn_of_kong
2008-10-01 05:00 pm UTC (link)
oh, please don't do that...shipping enticement is not nice.

GIP

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