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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-03-03 07:47:00


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Entry tags:community: fanficrants, fandom: transformers, wtf mate

No botsecks this time, sorry.
[info]akisawana rants on [info]fanficrants about how much Rhinox sucks, apparently in relation to a comment made here about her friend's slashfic.

Dear Beast Wars fantwats,

Please learn the difference between "character bashing" and "Rhinox is an utter and complete tool who would totally kill half the pairing given the chance, and is practically the abusive husband of the other half."*

Please do not refer to Rhinox as "the mother hen of the Maximals" or anything along those lines. It makes me headdesk. I think my skull is getting a stress factor.

Please go back and watch the show. It's on Youtube.

Seriously, when the Pit is being more intelligent than LJ, we have a problem.

Lordy, and it ain't even my fic!*

*Friends do not strangle friends into submission.

*I'm beta'ing it. I think that makes me more defensive.


For those who aren't familiar with Beast Wars, Rhinox is generally regarded as one of the more reasonable, stable, and decent of the good guys, although like all the other characters he's had a few morally questionable moments. The rest of the comm goes "WTF mate" in response to this rather odd alternate character analysis, to which [info]akisawana responds that we'll understand when we're older.

I guess it must be one of those things you don't recognize until you grow up [...] I guess Rhinox is just something you can't fully grasp until you've grown up.

[info]dunmurderin notes that they're actually older than the OP. Response?

I did come up with a defense for my opinion. Your response was "you hate Rhinox so anything you say doesn't count because it's distorted by your dislike of him." So you may be twice my age, but you sure aren't acting like it.

Apparently older here is defined as mentally old enough to agree with her.

This is also when a new challenger comes diving in to claim that age isn't everything anyway and defend her colleague's assessment of FFR maturity Yes, apparently [info]ianam1983 is the author of the nefarious fic in question and has come to show her bravery and creativity by comparing the abandonment of an immortal, sadistic mass murderer and cannibal to child rape.

It's my fic. Y'all want to argue about it, feel free to take it up with me. I love hearing this "in-context" BS. Like if the situation is screwy enough, you could rape a child and be forgiven for it. Some things are just plain unacceptable no matter what the situation, no matter what the excuse. (Hell, if you carry the "in-context" argument to its logical conclusion, you can justify Megatron's actions in the entire show, or even Rampage's. I've seen people do it.)

I'm making a moral statement here. Rhinox never got called on his crap in the show, so I'm calling him on it. What's more, I'm exploring an aspect of his character that I find highly interesting. He is not a plot device to me. I'm trying to get into his head and find what makes him tick, and why he does things like this. I'll admit that part of it is deeply satisfying to me as a fan, who found him very unnerving even when no one else did, to put my perspective down on paper, and I won't apologize for that. But I personally find that an adult perspective on a kid's show uncovers a lot of layers, subtleties, and shadows that were overlooked as a child, and those make very good story elements.


Because no one's ever used alternate character interpretation to explore the darker side of a character or faction before, and certainly not done it while actually adhering to their canonical characterization. What foolishness.

Still, for all that [info]akisawana has a severe case of needing to chill the fuck out, she does have an excellent marketing idea!

Is your vibrator named Rhinox or something? Seriously, why can't you just chalk us up as a bunch of loonies and walk away?
Clearly you're not going to change our minds any more than we're going to change ours, so why don't you and "Rhinox" go have a little quality time together. I think it would do you good.


Beast Wars vibrators? I'd go for that.

EDIT: Apparently the ranter just isn't brave enough to face the slings and arrows of FFR and has deleted. Fortunately [info]alanahikarichan has a few screencaps.




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[info]erototoxin
2009-03-03 10:21 am UTC (link)
I love the idea that there are things in Beast Wars that only an adult can understand.

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[info]kookaburra
2009-03-03 10:27 am UTC (link)
DAMN YOOOOOOOU! I was just going to type this up. ;p

I saw the post when it was first written, and I couldn't figure out WTF they were on about. Then I checked back and hooooly hell that was a lot of crazy ass comments. :O

Don't they realize they're talking about a character whose most deadly weapon was flatulence?

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2009-03-03 10:29 am UTC
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[info]kijikun
2009-03-03 10:36 am UTC (link)
O_o I wonder if we'll get any mod tags.

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[info]rustybitch
2009-03-03 10:59 am UTC (link)
Seriously, why can't you just chalk us up as a bunch of loonies...

We do now.

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[info]underwaterowl
2009-03-03 11:51 am UTC (link)
Beast Wars vibrators? I'd go for that.

...I'm never going to be able say 'Optimus Prime' with a straight face again.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-03-03 12:03 pm UTC
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[info]southerngaelic
2009-03-03 12:55 pm UTC (link)
There's a jurisimprudence law being violated somewhere in that "Rhinox vibrator" comment, I know it.

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[info]demonoflight
2009-03-03 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Aheh, I knew it'd end up here. Sorry guys, I think I kind of splooged there a little.

But, you know what, it was the most fun I've had on Fanficrants in a long while. I don't get to talk about Beast Wars enough! Even when the other side is crazy, it's really fun to discuss things about one of my favorite shows.

I wouldn't mind a Silverbolt vibrator.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-03-03 01:56 pm UTC
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[info]seventhe
2009-03-03 03:22 pm UTC (link)
"[insert fandom character here] IS YOUR VIBRATOR" is seriously how every wank should end.

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2009-03-03 07:19 pm UTC
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it's my only star wars icon at the moment! - [info]tofuknight, 2009-03-06 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2009-03-03 11:50 pm UTC
Oh, beejium FTW - [info]rijane, 2009-03-04 06:17 am UTC
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[info]makeshyft
2009-03-03 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Friends do not strangle friends into submission.

They do when they're shown perticularly disturbing examples of Rule 34.

Gods bless Pal-Comix.. heh

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2009-03-06 05:17 pm UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2009-03-03 03:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh please, oh please, does this mean we're going to have the "Robot sex? How does that even work?" thread yet again?

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(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2009-03-03 07:07 pm UTC

[info]kahrohseh
2009-03-03 03:24 pm UTC (link)
no. Just no. You don't hit someone you call friend. This is basic kindergarten here

1) The universe is a giant kindergarten. Good to know.

2) Can we officially retire "No. Just no" already?

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(no subject) - [info]makeshyft, 2009-03-03 03:26 pm UTC
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[info]aerobot
2009-03-03 03:25 pm UTC (link)
I know it can be a hell of a lot of fun to pick at a series and find a lot of darker elements to toy with - I've been having a riot with MMX - but sometimes it can go just a little too far. I remember hardly anything from Beastwars, but Rhinox? Seriously?

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(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2009-03-04 12:35 am UTC

[info]alina_kalime
2009-03-03 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Didn't Rhinox go crazy-evil in the Beasties/Beast Wars spin-off/sequel? Or was that Megatron in disguise? It's been so many years since I watched that season that I can't remember anymore.

Also, insert the obligatory FOR THE COLONY! joke here.

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(no subject) - [info]magicpants, 2009-03-03 05:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-03-03 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alina_kalime, 2009-03-03 10:05 pm UTC
Also:
[info]dragonfangirl
2009-03-03 03:37 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, why can't you just chalk us up as a bunch of loonies and walk away?

Okay!

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[info]ikabod
2009-03-03 03:49 pm UTC (link)
OK. I don't even remember this show, but I will bet $1 million dollars that there was nothing that could be even remotely comparable to child rape on it.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-03-03 05:30 pm UTC
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[info]gynocrat
2009-03-03 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Friends do not strangle friends into submission.

I disagree with this statement.

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[info]magicpants
2009-03-03 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Rhinox? Really?

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[info]brennalarose
2009-03-03 05:13 pm UTC (link)
If thinking Rhinox is evil is something that happens when you grow up, I'm handing in my Grown-Up Card. Fandom, consider this my two-weeks notice.

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[info]tardiscontrol
2009-03-03 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I really need to get into Transformers, if only to understand all the wank that comes out of its fandom. Any suggestions on where to start?

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[info]harrylovesron
2009-03-03 06:30 pm UTC (link)
WHY DO I NOT HAVE ANY BEAST WARS ICONS?

... yyyeah, I saw that and all the "RHINOX IS EVIL" "OMG I DON'T NEED CONTEXT" and stayed far far away in my tiny Optimus/Rhinox corner OH GOD MY CHILDHOOD (so says the Power Rangers slasher). I mean, they're talking about a guy who relaxed after a bad battle by going to smell flowers, for fuck's sake!

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(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2009-03-04 08:08 am UTC

[info]dez_chan
2009-03-03 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Rhinox never got called on his crap in the show, so I'm calling him on it.

Yeah, you show that...imaginary robot! Fight the (nonexistant) power!

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[info]moonjaguar
2009-03-03 08:44 pm UTC (link)
But won't somebody think of the tainted gay tomatoes?

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[info]insanitys_place
2009-03-03 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I saw the ffrantsrants post, read the original, and kind of headdesked.

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[info]imp
2009-03-03 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Transformers: too deep and sophisticated for the likes of mere children!

I had assumed the OP was fourteen, since she's "that bloody psychotic meance to life and limb" and seems to think cartoons from her childhood have meaningful hidden messages about robot domestic violence.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2009-03-04 01:01 am UTC

[info]misachan
2009-03-03 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Does this guy have a G1 equivalent? I never watched Beast Wars and while I'm guessing Dinobot more or less = Grimlock I'm having trouble grasping just how hilariously skewed her perception is. When I first saw the rant on [info]fanficrants I assumed she was talking about a Decepticon. Predacon. Whatever they're called.

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