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firefly99 ([info]firefly99) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-03-14 21:43:00


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Entry tags:author entitlement, boo hoo, comics, creator wank, don't make me come back there, fandom: watchmen, hollywood doesn't want my money, i swear i will turn this comm around, i'm just here for the recipes, in ur wank - swapping our foodz, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, let's all get along, misogyny soup, oh christ here we go again, oh wait you fail, omg mock people mock, political correctness, raised by hyenas, rape, rape is not funny, recipes in comments, serious business, still not funny, stop sharing your thoughts, think of the children, this is not funny, thoughts on yaoi, too many fucking tags, unfunny business, wanking inside the house, we fail at not being misogynists, we love jf tags, what is wrong with you people?, writers are often pompous douches, yummeh foodz

He was also responsible for doing the voice of Solid Snake
Watchmen screenwriter David Hayter writes a sincere but slightly tongue-in-cheek open letter on Hardcore Nerdity to Watchmen fans and non-fans, to urge them to see the movie more than once in order to understand it.

One of his other points is that he thinks those who hate the movie on principle without having seen it should let it marinate in their minds and give it a chance:

It may upset you. And it probably will upset you.

And all along, we really meant it to. ...All this time, you’ve been waiting for a director who was going to hit you in the face with this story. To just crack you in the jaw, and then bend you over the pool table with this story. With its utterly raw view of the darkest sides of human nature, expressed through its masks of action and beauty and twisted good intentions... Like the Comedian on the Grassy Knoll. ...You'll be thinking about this film, down the road. It'll nag at you. How it was rough and beautiful. How it went where it wanted to go, and you just hung on. How it was thoughtful and hateful and bleak and hilarious. And for Jackie Earle Haley.

Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally.


Comments begin in the 'we love Watchmen (although some of us have reservations about the swinging massive blue dong), go Dayter' mould, until people, from page three onwards, suddenly notice the metaphor he used to describe how the movie should make you feel:

DUDE. No one asks to be cracked in the jaw and bent over the goddamned pool table. Was there NO OTHER ANALOGY you could have used? Do you realize that you're comparing your movie to a rapist and the moviegoers to victims asking for it? And what is this "You'll come back. Just like Sally" crap? Do you have any f***ing idea how offensive that is? Could you not have come up with some other analogy, some other pithy tag, something that doesn't make it out like the Comedian was doing Silk Spectre a f***ing favor when he beat her bloody and tried to rape her?

Did you mean to do that?? If not, erm, consider your words more carefully next time you do the "open letter" thing, because wow, did that part get away from you.


Dayter comments on page 7 with an apology claiming he does not condone violence against women, which is edited into the original article. People briefly thank him for apologising, and then attack him again. Dayter responds graciously via huge spoonfuls of sarcasm and retracting his apology (page 8):

Clearly, you can't get less hateful or spewy than that. I humbly retract the statement.

Anyway, I'm sorry you disliked the film.

And you're right, I don't know why I ever set out to do this in the first place. It's really the world I'm hurting. Damn my family, and their almost-constant need for food!


On top of all of this there's huge amounts of movie rage, but the best thing about the whole altercation is the people at Hardcore Nerdity going so far as to make a video response urging people to LEAVE DAYTER ALONE, starring a very angry Dr. Manhattan.



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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 03:36 am UTC (link)
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1195289.html?thread=194067225#t194067225

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[info]ghostmaster
2009-03-15 03:45 am UTC (link)
http://www.journalfen.net/community/unfunnybusiness/

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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 03:49 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry not everyone in the world is conforming to your expectations. :(

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[info]lady_ganesh
2009-03-15 04:27 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry you can't follow rule #8.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2009-03-15 04:00 am UTC (link)
You really don't understand, do you.

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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 04:01 am UTC (link)
No, I understand very well. The people who continually post "This isn't funny *whine whine whine*" seem fairly dim, though.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2009-03-15 04:01 am UTC (link)
oh god

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[info]cyndra_falin
2009-03-15 04:06 am UTC (link)
*headdesks*

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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 04:07 am UTC (link)
You keep doing that, I'm sure it helps.

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[info]_goblin_
2009-03-15 04:11 am UTC (link)
TROLL!

I mean, you couldn't be this stupid for real, right?

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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 04:14 am UTC (link)
My account number is way older than yours, n00bles.

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2009-03-15 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-03-15 04:21 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-03-15 07:48 am UTC
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[info]rotten_fish
2009-03-15 07:22 am UTC (link)
Yeah, because you guys are any better. Or post any wank that you think is funny.

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tree
2009-03-15 01:33 pm UTC (link)
Where is your icon from? I'd love to see the whole picture.

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[info]rotten_fish
2009-03-15 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I wish I could tell you, but I got it from here: http://pics.livejournal.com/kc_anathema/gallery/000400gk and it's only icons.

There are a lot of awesome goddess ones though: http://pics.livejournal.com/kc_anathema/gallery/0005w450

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[info]mistal
2009-03-15 05:22 pm UTC (link)
kc_anathema's icon are love!

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[info]wankismyfandom
2009-03-15 11:46 pm UTC (link)
http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/sunna.html Here's the artist's site.

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(no subject) - tree, 2009-03-16 11:54 am UTC

[info]wankismyfandom
2009-03-15 11:46 pm UTC (link)
http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/sunna.html Here you go!

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(no subject) - tree, 2009-03-16 11:55 am UTC

[info]photosinensis
2009-03-15 08:12 am UTC (link)
The funny is admittedly subjective, but let it be known that rape jokes don't generally make f_w laugh (though I won't be an absolutist that says that rape jokes can't be funny--I just haven't heard any yet). Same thing goes for racewank and grudgewank. Either post these things to UFB, or better yet, don't post them at all. There's no need to encourage this kind of behavior by giving it attention.

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[info]dez_chan
2009-03-15 08:29 am UTC (link)
though I won't be an absolutist that says that rape jokes can't be funny--I just haven't heard any yet

I will undoubtedly regret linking this: But George Carlin had a bit about this.

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[info]photosinensis
2009-03-15 08:30 am UTC (link)
I was honestly expecting that. Funny is, once again, subjective.

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[info]vanya_elda
2009-03-15 09:18 am UTC (link)
The George Carlin bit is the only funny "rape" bit I can recall. Though I'm sure there have been some hilarious South Park rape moments, too, and that's only one of a big handful of touchy subjects. Everyone has their own FUNNY/UNFUNNY BUSINESS breaking point. You can't please everyone and most people are too lazy to consider the tact of their words before speaking them.

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(no subject) - [info]caito, 2009-03-15 04:41 pm UTC
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[info]waltraute
2009-03-15 08:41 am UTC (link)
I have a certain fondness for creators being incredible morons, and this had that in spades.

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[info]photosinensis
2009-03-15 08:42 am UTC (link)
Stupid isn't always funny, though.

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[info]sandglass
2009-03-15 08:55 am UTC (link)
IMO, unfunnybusiness is the best place to go for funny that comes from an unfunny subject. I think his response was pretty funny in a way, but the lead up to it and the attitude behind it are really rage worthy. IIRC the community was really made for this kind of wank, and so people can opt out of having to have LOLRAPE show up on their flist.

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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-03-15 09:02 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-03-15 11:12 pm UTC
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[info]panthea
2009-03-15 10:24 pm UTC (link)
FWIW, Sarah Kendall is funny on the subject of (threatened) rape, but it's really more the way she tells the story than that the subject itself is funny; it's kind of horrifying and hilarious at the same time. Starts around 2:40.

Yeah, I'll take any opportunity to spread the Sarah Kendall love, because she is awesome.

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